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jay_mcfc said:
BillyShears said:
Not at all....you said Spurs would be "miles behind" us by next season...based on what?

On the basis that time will make us miles better than what we are and that Spurs will not improve enough to go with us. Next season we'll finish 1st or 2nd and they'll be 5th.

Sorry mate, that's just wishful thinking IMO. I've seen nothing in our progress in the last 12 months to suggest that in the next 12 months we'll be leaving behind anyone other than the teams fighting to finish in the top 6. The league IMO is going to get more and more competitive in the coming years, not less...
 
I would definitely say that the club has lacked unity and sense of purpose. They lack fire and a leader has failed to materialize. Yesterday, they looked much better, but we hardly produced many plays from the wings and didn't adjust when opposing players fall back into the box. Dzeko has been useless.
With the tougher part of the schedule coming up, Mancini has got to kick these guys in the ass and quick!!
 
BillyShears said:
jay_mcfc said:
On the basis that time will make us miles better than what we are and that Spurs will not improve enough to go with us. Next season we'll finish 1st or 2nd and they'll be 5th.

Sorry mate, that's just wishful thinking IMO. I've seen nothing in our progress in the last 12 months to suggest that in the next 12 months we'll be leaving behind anyone other than the teams fighting to finish in the top 6. The league IMO is going to get more and more competitive in the coming years, not less...

the top 6 as it is will be core of the title challenges for the forseeable future barring some major disasters or big big investment to some other team.
we are one of those six and we need to make sure that we stay. we are in the mix.
 
Wish I could put my finger on it too...

We just don't have a killer instinct right now, and other PL teams around us are improving whilst we are, well how can I put it, shimmy-shammying all over the place.

No guarantee of Champions League spot yet, and if we don't achieve that, what next ?
 
BillyShears said:
Sorry mate, that's just wishful thinking IMO. I've seen nothing in our progress in the last 12 months to suggest that in the next 12 months we'll be leaving behind anyone other than the teams fighting to finish in the top 6. The league IMO is going to get more and more competitive in the coming years, not less...

It all depends how good you think the players are that we have. To me I wouldn't swap the core of the team for any other. As long as this stays the same we will improve big time; Hart, Kompany, De Jong, Yaya, Silva, Balotelli and Tevez. I'm also more than happy knowing that after a season of premier league football under their belt Boateng, Kolorov and Dzeko will be much better. With a new CB and CM and the continued improvement of players like Johnson, Zab and Richards under Mancini we will be better. I'm also still hopeful Milner is going to improve....

The only thing that is halting bigger and better progress is length of time playing together in the system Mancini wants us to play. The biggest problem for us this season has been getting the balance of the team right between attack and defence but there are signs that this is getting there now (OT on Saturday). Once that balance is struck we will start to see the kind of £300m progress our fans crave.
 
The team needs a leader on the pitch. A player who will take control and influence and inspire the others in every game. Essentialy a 'boss' who will put the others straight if they're playing up. Someone that all the players respect and listen to. Vinny is the obvious choice and he does quite a bit of this already but not with every player. Bobby should tell em all, 'right, Vinny is boss and he will lead on the pitch. His instructions are my instructions.'

I'd also like to see less chopping and changing of the 1st team, starting with a regular back four that play pretty much every match together.
 
We have on paper a fantastic side, on the pitch we dont utilise them to their maximum potential. The slow build up play is great, when we are 3-0 up, however when we are behind, or trying to get ahead, it's shite and ineffective. Just look at wolves at coms as an example, 100 passes then back to hart. 0-1 to wolves, then we go at them, playing with pace going FORWARD, and it's 4-1, then back to the slow tippy-tappy passing shite and it ends up 4-3! I believe a big pacy forward like dzeko, is what we needed to give us different options, but playing him without out and out wingers to supply him, is not the way forward at all. I just feel, that we have no plan b, and fear for our champions league chances.
 
We will find out in the next 3 months if we have progressed, only results will silence the critics but if were all honest our season could go in 2 very different directions at the minute, i dont even want to contemplate one of those options. We are at the stage of the season where winning mentality is as important as anything, we have to find it, and quick. As i see it Rags, Arse and Spuds have that and thats why those three will finish top three. Chelsea have the experience and will hope that will carry them through to fourth. Its upto us now, we have to step it up because if in 5 weeks time we are saying, well we never beat Fulham or it was always going to hard to get something at Chelsea, we will be in trouble. So no excuses lads, its time to deliver(progression), take the only option the club can afford
 
Hope that Dzeco is not Joe mark 2,Joe did well at CSK,at the moment it appears that way he is just so slow and seems to have clown shoes on
 
The simple fact is that we are not good enough yet. There are so many things that are obvious that we lack or have little experience of that make us a long way off where too many people expect us to be already. I think everyone needs to be a hell of a lot more patient and reduce their expectations and think about their reactions (don't go to mad when we don't play well; don't go overboard when we play well - we will have both extremes and many average performances while we're still a young, fresh, inexperienced, un-gelled team).

I don't know how many times it can be said that we need to stop looking at how much money we've spent because it means exactly fuck all in a match when it's still just XIvXI. Especially when the money we've spent does not represent the quality we've got. We have some fantastic individuals (Kompany, de Jong, Silva, Tevez), we have some potentially fantastic individuals (Hart, Richards, Balotelli), we have some individuals who are superb on their day (Yaya) and we have individuals who can make a great impact off the bench (AJohnson). These individuals are not a team yet and it might take a good while until we are one (we signed SIX players added to a squad that hadn't really gelled into a team yet, six players puts that gelling back a long way; Spurs who were already more of a team than us last season signed one player!). The rest of our squad are not up to speed with the Prem or haven't settled in yet, others are just average, others are a complete liability.

I don't reckon any of these players would get into United, Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs squads: Shay Given, David Gonzalez, Gunnar Nielsen, Stuart Taylor, Wayne Bridge, Greg Cunningham, Shaleum Logan, Nedum Onuoha, Kolo Toure, Javan Vidal, Gareth Barry, Abdisalam Ibrahim, James Milner, Patrick Vieira, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Felipe Caicedo, Jo, Roque Santa Cruz, Alex Tchuimeni-Nimely. What does that highlight about us? The main thing is that we need a bit of time to get our 'deadwood' out from our books over a few more transfer windows. With the poorer quality binned off and higher quality replacements as well as a one or two excellent quality starters (Michael Dawson and Edin Hazard/Stevan Jovetic) there will be a greater competition for places on the pitch, on the bench and in the squad in general. We will be overall a higher quality club.

We haven't once had a full strength team playing for a consistent run of games, with everyone fit and firing. This starting XI for me would be:
--------------------------Hart-------------------------
Richards--------Boateng--------Kompany--------Kolarov
------------------------de Jong------------------------
--------------------Silva--------Yaya------------------
------------Tevez------------------------Balotelli------
--------------------------Dzeko-----------------------
Let's see how good we can be if we can get a good run with this XI. Imagine it with a lot better bench forcing that XI to play well or else they'll lose their place. Imagine us having signed two to more starters:
-------------------------Hart-------------------------
Richards--------Dawson--------Kompany--------Kolarov
------------------------de Jong-----------------------
--------------------Silva--------Jovetic---------------
------------Tevez-----------------------Balotelli------
--------------------------Dzeko----------------------
with more compeition for places on the bench with a new keeper, Boateng, Zabaleta, Milner, Yaya, Bellamy and a young lad like Lukaku as the sub striker. Or for a more conservative line-up add Dzeko to the bench and put Yaya in midfield. Look at the rise in quality! and that's not upsetting the line-up too much with an influx of new players like we've seen in orevious windows

No matter who plays for us, as a team we have a lack of experience in loads of situations. We haven't played in enough big games; derby games, crunch end of season deciders, semi finals and finals all make a team a better team and we have barely played in any of these situations and certainly haven't won any of these kinds of games with our current crop of players. There is a different pressure, intensity, quality and atmosphere in all these games and it will take a few years before we get experience of winning these types of games on a regular basis (United, Chelsea and Spurs [League Cup semi win over Arse + final win, big end of season wins last season] all have experience of winning in these tougher situations and even Arsenal who haven't won anything with the team they currently have at the moment still have a far greater experience of big games than our current collection of players).

We need time as a team (as does our manager) to learn how to adapt to different situations against different types of teams. We play two ways. One is we play slow possession football; two is we sit back and make it hard for the opposition to break us down. I watched Spurs last night and in the same game they played slow possession football, quick short positive passing, route-one, long passess down the wings and the channels that utilise quick wingers/forwards, getting men forward and playing one-twos in and around the box, plus in the second half they sat back and made it hard to be broken down and played on the counter-attack. We need to learn how to play in different ways and adapt to certain situations within the same game. As i say, this will only come with time that will allow us to become a proper team and as a team we will get it right as we learn how to win in a variety of ways.
 

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