Southampton post match thread

r.soleofsalford said:
Did you see the aggression from spurs and chelsea tonight either of those teams would have blown us of the park playing with that aggression and intensity. when did our team of warriors vanish. toure kompany, zabaletta, lescott, barry, tevez, de jong, bellamy.

Did they disappear with our last manager.
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Most signed by Mark Hughes.

Otamendi has tattoos though.
 
bluemc1 said:
This is spot on, it's not the resting players, I think everyone understands that it's the fact he won't say ok let's keep this solid stay in the game and try and sneak a win or a draw
That's why I can't hand him the injuries excuse, yep theyre injured so I'm afraid you can't play this fantasy football of all out attack today and win 4-0, make us solid hard to beat and get the ball to the ones on the pitch who can get us a goal as 1-0 will do today
You know all those millions you get paid to manage ? Well FUCKING MANAGE
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People excusing him, also give the impression that this situation is one which is suddenly dumped on him without warning & nothing could have been done to lessen the impact.

Right at the start of the season I was having arguments on several threads related to using young players to strengthen the squad. 'They have to earn their chance, we can't have favouritism' or 'the club doesn't think they are good enough' and 'you can't risk kids at this level' were the typical arguments from people with no idea nor interest in the subject allied with gangs of disciples of Pellegrini.
I haven't let this lie all season, because I know from years of watching youth football, that these arguments are a load of old bollocks & that the manager was putting the team at risk, as we actually need a few kids to make the squad work & I've seen this coming. I predicted the Champs Lg situation where one of Nasri or Kelechi misses out, because of Demifuckingchelis being preferred to a homegrown young player.

Using young players to fill holes when shit happens through injuries & also to add enthusiasm, workrate & energy, is how almost all the top sides have done it over the years. It's just that Mourinho & Chelsea have got away without it, so some short sighted people think that's how it's done.

It's understandable that a collection of people on here repeat soundbites from tv 'experts' saying that it's too much of a risk, but a manager with Pellegrini's experience should know better. What happens when the games kick in & we pick up a few injuries ? He throws a bunch of kids in, untried, all at the same time, & tosses off the FA Cup. But the worst players on the day ? Not the kids. The same people who have fucked up on so many other occasions, fucked up in the cup. But has that persuaded him to use a few more young players off the bench since ? Has it fuck.

Kolarov was there though. At Southampton. Ok to trust him.
 
I think football is a sport, with all that entails. The science here is very clear: three days is only enough for 80% recovery.

I will repeat just once more that I was not in favour of forfeiting the Southampton match and I certainly believe that the team selected should have been capable of gaining a positive result there. There's plenty of debate on here discussing factors other than team selection but I am only commenting on that point.

Playing a weaker side was a risk but playing a side full of players expecting to feature on Wednesday may have seen a heads elsewhere, don't want to get injured performance (it wouldn't be a first). We don't know what would have happend; just as we do not know what might have happened if Sterling (a regular up until his injury) had given City the lead. We do know what the recovery times are for players and we do know that Madrid had an extra day and rested five players ( was it?). In the circumstances and with the risks and rewards involved, rotation was a reasonable decision in my opinion and that won't change.
 
OB1 said:
I think football is a sport, with all that entails. The science here is very clear: three days is only enough for 80% recovery.

I will repeat just once more that I was not in favour of forfeiting the Southampton match and I certainly believe that the team selected should have been capable of gaining a positive result there. There's plenty of debate on here discussing factors other than team selection but I am only commenting on that point.

Playing a weaker side was a risk but playing a side full of players expecting to feature on Wednesday may have seen a heads elsewhere, don't want to get injured performance (it wouldn't be a first). We don't know what would have happend; just as we do not know what might have happened if Sterling (a regular up until his injury) had given City the lead. We do know what the recovery times are for players and we do know that Madrid had an extra day and rested five players ( was it?). In the circumstances and with the risks and rewards involved, rotation was a reasonable decision in my opinion and that won't change.
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Rotation can be planned & managed.

This guy can't be arsed doing either. If it had been a league cup semi final, delayed for some reason til now & he saw the chance to get himself a medal, most, if not all would have played irrespective.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Rotation can be planned & managed.

This guy can't be arsed doing either. If it had been a league cup semi final, delayed for some reason til now & he saw the chance to get himself a medal, most, if not all would have played irrespective.
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We had to rotate. Kun was dead on his feet against Madrid and had to be rested and it was wise to rest some others. The manager was poor imo in so far as the tactics rather than the personnel was the problem. Not sure Bony should have started and another body in midfield together with a cohesive defensive display may have been enough to get something given that we scored two goals. As pointed out continually in recent weeks this is nothing new and the manager has prepared the team poorly on multiple occasions in the league this campaign. This has led to a situation that we are in danger of not finishing in the CL places. It is perhaps unfair but his legacy at city to a large extent is likely to be defined by the next two games. Two wins and he will leave a hero two defeats and he will receive a somewhat subdued send off next Sunday.
 
Bony certainly hasn't panned out, but I must say that Iheanacho works very well with Bony. Bony makes space, passes the ball, meanwhile Sterling and Aguero hog the ball. Notice that Iheanacho seems that much more effective whenever coupled with Bony, Aguero seems to stifle him as the top dog. A player of the Bony mold makes Iheanacho work, Aguero meanwhile is both Man City's biggest weapon and can be our biggest weakness, because he cut offs many alternatives. The less said about Sterling the better...

All in all I would much prefer Bony over Sterling, who hasn't gotten anywhere near the criticism, but has been very much at fault for the Blue lack of effectiveness.

Maybe a 4-3-3 might work with Aguero and Iheanacho coming off the wings and Bony up front laying off the ball?
 
OB1 said:
Oh and take a look at the team Pep fielded for Bayern on Saturday in a game that could have sealed the title for them cos you are going to find Pep very disrespectful.
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The situation is different. Bayern needed one win out of 3 matches. It would have been nice to get that win on Saturday - but not obligatory. The next match is an away match against Ingolstadt and the last against already relegated Hannover at home.

And Bayern only has 6 days between the matches as they play Wednesday-Tuesday and not Tuesday-Wednesday.
 
Neville Kneville said:
People excusing him, also give the impression that this situation is one which is suddenly dumped on him without warning & nothing could have been done to lessen the impact.

Right at the start of the season I was having arguments on several threads related to using young players to strengthen the squad. 'They have to earn their chance, we can't have favouritism' or 'the club doesn't think they are good enough' and 'you can't risk kids at this level' were the typical arguments from people with no idea nor interest in the subject allied with gangs of disciples of Pellegrini.
I haven't let this lie all season, because I know from years of watching youth football, that these arguments are a load of old bollocks & that the manager was putting the team at risk, as we actually need a few kids to make the squad work & I've seen this coming. I predicted the Champs Lg situation where one of Nasri or Kelechi misses out, because of Demifuckingchelis being preferred to a homegrown young player.

Using young players to fill holes when shit happens through injuries & also to add enthusiasm, workrate & energy, is how almost all the top sides have done it over the years. It's just that Mourinho & Chelsea have got away without it, so some short sighted people think that's how it's done.

It's understandable that a collection of people on here repeat soundbites from tv 'experts' saying that it's too much of a risk, but a manager with Pellegrini's experience should know better. What happens when the games kick in & we pick up a few injuries ? He throws a bunch of kids in, untried, all at the same time, & tosses off the FA Cup. But the worst players on the day ? Not the kids. The same people who have fucked up on so many other occasions, fucked up in the cup. But has that persuaded him to use a few more young players off the bench since ? Has it fuck.

Kolarov was there though. At Southampton. Ok to trust him.
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Top post!
 
ridiculous to field the team we did Sunday, jeopardise next season for a CL semi final is not good management. To put a side out that wasnt even capable of keeping a nil nil draw was plain stupidity.

It is very important that we qualify for CL next season and give Guardiola a running start, far more important than a half chance at CL final.

Tactics management wrong !!
 
trevorriley said:
ridiculous to field the team we did Sunday, jeopardise next season for a CL semi final is not good management. To put a side out that wasnt even capable of keeping a nil nil draw was plain stupidity.

It is very important that we qualify for CL next season and give Guardiola a running start, far more important than a half chance at CL final.

Tactics management wrong !!
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I dont get this argument? Why is it more important to finish top 4 so we are in the Champs Lg next season then it is to try to win it this year when we have a very good chance of doing so? Is it player acquisition? Money? There is no guarantee that we will ever get a better opportunity to win it.
 
bert38 said:
I dont get this argument? Why is it more important to finish top 4 so we are in the Champs Lg next season then it is to try to win it this year when we have a very good chance of doing so? Is it player acquisition? Money? There is no guarantee that we will ever get a better opportunity to win it.
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I think deep down, nobody sees us winning it.
 
Pam said:
I think deep down, nobody sees us winning it.
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I do. And I've had this feeling for sometime. We could have been going to Madrid with an advantage had we not replaced Silva with Iheanacho, but 0-0 it is.

However, I think the players available to Pellegrini were enough to get something out of the Southampton match. Our failures that day came down to our tactical set up meaning we were up against it from the moment the players crossed the white line. It was a match which we needed a result from, but yet again Pellegrini did us no favours.

What about the players? If some weren't up for it, we have more than enough in reserve and in the EDS who could have made a difference.
 
bert38 said:
I dont get this argument? Why is it more important to finish top 4 so we are in the Champs Lg next season then it is to try to win it this year when we have a very good chance of doing so? Is it player acquisition? Money? There is no guarantee that we will ever get a better opportunity to win it.
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That's a great post! I find this funny with English teams in the Europa as well. Good on Klopp and Manuel for both deciding to prioritise Europe. Klopp because he wants to win the Europa and because of the extra incentive with the CL place. We're obsessed with this top 4, CL qualification malarkey. It's nonsense. A big side is a side that wins it. Arsenal have been in it for donkeys years, who have they bought because of the CL? And who have they bought simply thanks to being a London team that's known to be a decent side? The money from the CL is of course excellent, but we can balance that by winning it and marketing the hell out of the club off the back of it. It doesn't matter if we're in it or not if we've won it! No team has managed to win it back to back anyway!

We're one game away from the final. We don't even have to win tomorrow and we're in the final. We don't even have to win the final to win the competition. I'd rather not throw away the chance of making the final by pushing for top 4 in the league. We're still capable of finishing fourth and Pellegrini will not have anticipated such a poor performance, particularly defensively. That side wasn't a side that should be shipping 4 goals. Kolarov and Zabba have plenty of experience. Otamendi and Mangala have been improved in recent times and Delph and Fernandinho are both midfielders with extensive prem experience. That was unacceptable.

If we finish this season having made the final of the CL we'll all be buzzing and whilst we might be gutted we aren't in it again, if we win it we won't care! Leicester won't give a toss about winning another trophy after this season. The high will stay for decades. The same applies if we win the CL. Chelsea will easily cope without CL. Liverpool are still living off the back of success in the CL over their history. Financially we can cope without. I think we'll make the CL final, whether we win it or not I don't know! But I think we'll also qualify for the CL in any case.
 
Dribble said:
What about the players? If some weren't up for it, we have more than enough in reserve and in the EDS who could have made a difference.
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And this is the problem. Pellegrini clearly doesn't trust them. It is the reason Kolorov got a game 10 days after his last utterly abysmal performance
 
bert38 said:
I dont get this argument? Why is it more important to finish top 4 so we are in the Champs Lg next season then it is to try to win it this year when we have a very good chance of doing so? Is it player acquisition? Money? There is no guarantee that we will ever get a better opportunity to win it.
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i hope your backing for this insanely stupid fucking gamble pays off and doesnt put our progress back or stops it dead in its tracks.


i fear this stupidity will not result in either top 4 or champions league final never mind winning it.


proof of the pudding as they say,


i hope you and pelligrini are proved right i really do
 
trevorriley said:
ridiculous to field the team we did Sunday, jeopardise next season for a CL semi final is not good management. To put a side out that wasnt even capable of keeping a nil nil draw was plain stupidity.

It is very important that we qualify for CL next season and give Guardiola a running start, far more important than a half chance at CL final.

Tactics management wrong !!
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I don’t think it was the selection that was the problem. The team that was picked was 11 decent players all playing in their favoured positions. On top form that team was comfortably good enough to win that game. What was wrong was the lack of form and fitness from these players and the general lethargy within the performance. I think it is a combination of management failings and player failings. There were players on that pitch that had no excuse for not being ultra, sharp and grasping the opportunity to make a point for various reasons – only Nacho did. It is only Sterling that is recently back from injury – all the rest have been fit for weeks.
 
r.soleofsalford said:
i hope your backing for this insanely stupid fucking gamble pays off and doesnt put our progress back or stops it dead in its tracks.


i fear this stupidity will not result in either top 4 or champions league final never mind winning it.


proof of the pudding as they say,


i hope you and pelligrini are proved right i really do
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What progress? Finishing in the top 4 for what purpose if we dont try to win it when we can....I must be dim.

And the likelihood is that we will lose tomorrow and may miss out on top 4-but it doesnt make the decision on Sunday wrong.
 
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