Spiritulists........yay or nay?

[SkyBlueFlux]

For the people suggesting to go and seek a counsellor rather than a clairvoyant.

What if a clairvoyant had high-end qualifications in counselling?

As I said I don't believe in it myself as I can't see/hear spirit, but I know my Mother wouldn't lie to her Son and she is adamant that she see's spirit and hear's them.

My Mother is no charlatan, has a full time job and doesn't need to con people.
she's been doing this for 30yrs, has a strong reputation in Manchester with most of her work coming from word of mouth.

If they have high-end qualifications in counselling then they should use their skills in counselling to conclude that bringing back memories from dead people is counterproductive when it comes to closure and progress. I'm no counsellor myself but I think that the two professions would contradict eachother in a lot of ways and so it's probably better you proclaim to be either one or the other but not both.

Also, on your mother, I don't doubt her sincerity, but you know humans cannot believe everything their own senses tell them? The eyes in your own head have a habit of tricking you at every possible opportunity. The human brain is prone to a lot of quirky things like making people genuinely believe in what they hear and see even if it's a lie.

I saw a meteorite the other day, and I was so concerned that I was seeing things that I had to look up whether there had actually been one in the area or not. I wasn't worried about getting hit by meteorites, I was more worried I might be imagining it. People don't seem to put this down as a possibility in their own heads but it happens to everyone. Humans are not a reliable source of scientific information and you should therefore never take any one person on their word when it comes to the paranormal.

Basically what I'm saying is that no, your mother wouldn't lie to you, but how do you know she isn't lying to herself?

 

[Damocles]

Nay. For about 18 reasons that hopefully shouldn't need explaining.

I guess hearing voices in your head from people who you factually know to be dead is fine as well and absolutely not an indicator of mental illness either.

 

[mr t]

For the people suggesting to go and seek a counsellor rather than a clairvoyant.

What if a clairvoyant had high-end qualifications in counselling?

As I said I don't believe in it myself as I can't see/hear spirit, but I know my Mother wouldn't lie to her Son and she is adamant that she see's spirit and hear's them.

My Mother is no charlatan, has a full time job and doesn't need to con people.
she's been doing this for 30yrs, has a strong reputation in Manchester with most of her work coming from word of mouth.

I've always steered clear of stuff like this - doesn't sit comfortably with me at all - especially when folk hand over their cash for predictions and the like.

Having said that I can understand why people want to use the services offered by spiritulists - just not for me.

I have to say that I admire your mums business enterprise on the gift voucher front.

 

[Ducado]

I have not been over impressed with Spiritualism, there are some genuine mediums about but not many and they don't normally take any money for their services

Now in Brazil there is a movement called Spiratisem which is entirely different, it's not a religion or sect, it has millions of members and does lots of charity work like run hospitals for the poor, some of the stuff that has been witnessed is pretty amazing but they take it in their stride, they have moved away from phenomena based meetings now as they feel there is nothing to prove, Guy Playfair wrote brilliant book in the 70's call The Flying Cow: Exploring the Psychic World of Brazil, it;s been updated and it's out on Kindle.

People might also like to read about Chico Xavier the most famouse medium in Brazil when he died in 2002, 100's of 1000's paid respects to him, he was a humble Civil Servant who never made a penny from it and never sought to

 

[StrangewaysHereWeCome]

Nay. For about 18 reasons that hopefully shouldn't need explaining.

I guess hearing voices in your head from people who you factually know to be dead is fine as well and absolutely not an indicator of mental illness either.

Explain them, could be fun

 

[manimanc]

So there are billions of these spirits throughout history all around us then?

if you put it that way then yes,yes there are,they just exist on a different frequency to ours hence the fact that spiritualists act as the middle man bringing these two frequencies together....us and them upstairs!

I'm a physicist and I'm all ears, what do you mean by 'frequencies', I'm talking a proper definition here. Frequency is simply a word which describes how often something happens and so in this context it is ambiguous and needs to be clearly defined.

I can make up a word and throw it into a conversation to prove my point. "God exists, he just does so in a humagonathog."

You can't disprove that, because I made it up. See what I mean?

I'm not being argumentative, I just want a bit of clarification that's all.

all i can say mate is that on and off i`ve been attending spiritualist churches for over 25 years and have had a few readings from mediums that blew my socks off,the mediums often start their readings with a little talk off how she works and how the spirits work..
to me it`s black and white,a believer/non-believer,for/against,i simply believe in life after death and that`s all i can say..
the thing about the frequecies i got from a few years back when a medium tried explaining to any first timers the basics of what being a medium is..

 

[Damocles]

Nay. For about 18 reasons that hopefully shouldn't need explaining.

I guess hearing voices in your head from people who you factually know to be dead is fine as well and absolutely not an indicator of mental illness either.

Explain them, could be fun

I should explain why I think people who say they hear the voices of dead people shouldn't be trusted?

I guess the main reason is because they say they hear the voices of dead people.

 

[Danielmanc]

Nay. For about 18 reasons that hopefully shouldn't need explaining.

I guess hearing voices in your head from people who you factually know to be dead is fine as well and absolutely not an indicator of mental illness either.

Explain them, could be fun

I should explain why I think people who say they hear the voices of dead people shouldn't be trusted?

I guess the main reason is because they say they hear the voices of dead people.

Right ! The dead say nowt

 

[StrangewaysHereWeCome]

Nay. For about 18 reasons that hopefully shouldn't need explaining.

I guess hearing voices in your head from people who you factually know to be dead is fine as well and absolutely not an indicator of mental illness either.

Explain them, could be fun

I should explain why I think people who say they hear the voices of dead people shouldn't be trusted?

I guess the main reason is because they say they hear the voices of dead people.

That's one reason ... I want to hear the other 17 (for the record I dont believe anyone speaks with and hears messages from dead people)

 

[stonerblue]

total bullshit.

Unless they do it for free then it's simply profting from other peoples grief