Spiritulists........yay or nay?

[Damocles]

Spiritualists by definition turn themselves in Gods. To believe in an afterlife in any sense, you must therefore believe that you are immortal.

I would wager that the idea of an afterlife came from people who genuinely feared death and were in denial about it. Thus, the belief that they live on into another realm where they become immortal spirits or recycled into another animal or whatever is a comforting way for them to dodge the reality of a situation. Spiritualists (which have been debunked for about 300 years) saw the niche market and filled it. The fact tha there are literally books from the top guys in the business teaching you how to fake this should be a bit of an indicator towards its reliability.

 

[OurCity]

total bullshit.

Unless they do it for free then it's simply profting from other peoples grief

There are some that do it for free though, or more often for a charitable donation.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

if you put it that way then yes,yes there are,they just exist on a different frequency to ours hence the fact that spiritualists act as the middle man bringing these two frequencies together....us and them upstairs!

I'm a physicist and I'm all ears, what do you mean by 'frequencies', I'm talking a proper definition here. Frequency is simply a word which describes how often something happens and so in this context it is ambiguous and needs to be clearly defined.

I can make up a word and throw it into a conversation to prove my point. "God exists, he just does so in a humagonathog."

You can't disprove that, because I made it up. See what I mean?

I'm not being argumentative, I just want a bit of clarification that's all.

all i can say mate is that on and off i`ve been attending spiritualist churches for over 25 years and have had a few readings from mediums that blew my socks off,the mediums often start their readings with a little talk off how she works and how the spirits work..
to me it`s black and white,a believer/non-believer,for/against,i simply believe in life after death and that`s all i can say..
the thing about the frequecies i got from a few years back when a medium tried explaining to any first timers the basics of what being a medium is..

I have an open mind on mediums. I think there are genuine ones, but too many make spurious claims to be and are just charlatons, preying on the weak and vulnerable. I believe in spirits(as i once saw a ghost, but that's another story), and i believe everybody and every living thing has one. Where they go when they die, nobody knows. I have always thought my gran was psychic. She was seriously ill, years before she died and told me her mother had come to take her to the 'other side'. She replied "fuck off, i'l' never step foot in old trafford"!!!.... Seriously though, she was very ill in hospital, and she told her mother she was "not ready". My gran claimed that she felt really peaceful and calm with her 'near death' experience and said she wasn't afraid to die when her time came. At her funeral i heard a blackbird singing so sweetly, as if everything was all right that my gran had passed peacefuly into the ''next world' like she so strongly believed she would. I like to think so.

 

[stonerblue]

total bullshit.

Unless they do it for free then it's simply profting from other peoples grief

There are some that do it for free though, or more often for a charitable donation.

to which charity, help for retired psychics?

Its on a par with homeopathy, heaven and shampoo ad's for fruitloopery.

 

[Damocles]

total bullshit.

Unless they do it for free then it's simply profting from other peoples grief

There are some that do it for free though, or more often for a charitable donation.

There are some demon exorcists that do that for free too. This doesn't say anything about the existence of demons or possession.

Some people genuinely 100% believe that they were visited by aliens. Some people genuinely 100% believe that God speaks to them in their head. Some people 100% genuinely believe that they have seen Bigfoot, or the Loch Ness monster or a bunch of other things.

Sincereity of belief doesn't actually mean anything. Auditory and visual hallucinations, for which there's hundreds of causes, combined with social conditioning and suggestion. Anybody who has done any hallucinogenic drugs can tell you the power of hallucinations.

If you look in the sky and you see a flying saucer, your first thought is that it's aliens. This isn't because you have seen an alien, it's because you expect aliens to come in flying saucers because of all of the movies about them so it's your go-to explanation. This is the entire idea that those haunted house things work on. If you hear a floorboard creak in a weird way at home in the middle of the day, you dismiss it. If you hear the same sound in a spooky location at midnight, you freak out.
What about if you went to Loch Ness and saw a big shadowy thing in the distance. You think it's the Loch Ness Monster, anywhere else in the world and you'd dismiss it as a shadow. The power of suggestion combined with social conditioning makes people believe insane things.

 

[Danielmanc]

total bullshit.

Unless they do it for free then it's simply profting from other peoples grief

There are some that do it for free though, or more often for a charitable donation.

to which charity, help for retired psychics?

Its on a par with homeopathy, heaven and shampoo ad's for fruitloopery.

This is it for me - homeopathy and spiritualists are on the same level as e mails from Nigerian investors as far as I am concerned

 

[OurCity]

total bullshit.

Unless they do it for free then it's simply profting from other peoples grief

There are some that do it for free though, or more often for a charitable donation.

to which charity, help for retired psychics?

Its on a par with homeopathy, heaven and shampoo ad's for fruitloopery.

I'm with you on the homeopathy, but for what it's worth, I've had several readings/meetings with mediums and never paid anything. It's also free to visit Spiritualist services in church - usually just a voluntary donation/offering like any other church.

 

[OurCity]

total bullshit.

Unless they do it for free then it's simply profting from other peoples grief

There are some that do it for free though, or more often for a charitable donation.

There are some demon exorcists that do that for free too. This doesn't say anything about the existence of demons or possession.

Some people genuinely 100% believe that they were visited by aliens. Some people genuinely 100% believe that God speaks to them in their head. Some people 100% genuinely believe that they have seen Bigfoot, or the Loch Ness monster or a bunch of other things.

Sincereity of belief doesn't actually mean anything. Auditory and visual hallucinations, for which there's hundreds of causes, combined with social conditioning and suggestion. Anybody who has done any hallucinogenic drugs can tell you the power of hallucinations.

If you look in the sky and you see a flying saucer, your first thought is that it's aliens. This isn't because you have seen an alien, it's because you expect aliens to come in flying saucers because of all of the movies about them so it's your go-to explanation. This is the entire idea that those haunted house things work on. If you hear a floorboard creak in a weird way at home in the middle of the day, you dismiss it. If you hear the same sound in a spooky location at midnight, you freak out.
What about if you went to Loch Ness and saw a big shadowy thing in the distance. You think it's the Loch Ness Monster, anywhere else in the world and you'd dismiss it as a shadow. The power of suggestion combined with social conditioning makes people believe insane things.

I agree with all that. How would you feel if you visited a medium and they said something to you, maybe about your past that they couldn't have known about? Something very personal and specific to you. How would you explain that and would you change your view?

 

[Damocles]

Well, I've had this conversation before and I visited many of them over the years and they've all failed. Mainly because I've read the books on cold reading too so know their tricks and how to answer their questions.

Anything that says "you must believe in it for it to work" is already placed in my file of "things that are probably nonsense"

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Well, I've had this conversation before and I visited many of them over the years and they've all failed. Mainly because I've read the books on cold reading too so know their tricks and how to answer their questions.

Anything that says "you must believe in it for it to work" is already placed in my file of "things that are probably nonsense"

Didn't you once attempt to carry out an experiment based on this and said you would post the results on here? Whatever happened to that?

If you decided it would be a waste of your time then I can't say I'd blame you haha.