Spurs (A) - Post-Match Thread

I thought Jesus looked the most dangerous and most "on it" of all our attacking players yesterday to be fair...
I thought that yesterday and to be honest never sounded him out...but watching the replay now and watching the players rather than the ball and it is evident there are problems around the pitch - jesus included in that at times

Just another passage of play after Foden comes on as an example - phil pressing like hell forces spurs back and they punt it long, Walker nods it down and it gets picked up by kane in the middle of the pitch, rodri again plodding along and doesnt even break sweat to chase him and it forces Dias step forward to make the foul
 
10 goals so far this season is just awful

Football shouldn't eve be being played, never mind a consideration.

This season means fuck all and nothing to the vast majority and it isn't an excuse because we are not sitting top and pretty, its just a fact.

Players and staff are humans too and my guess is most have their minds elsewhere as well.
 
Of course, but we're not talking about standalone performances, this is so consistent that it's become our standard, not an anomaly.

I also think there's something to be said for those who will repeatedly fail to see the major issues because they're constantly fixated on the silver lining.

But I agree with everything you've said there. Incredibly frustrating.

We can't escape the fact that it has become a very habit and it's proving to be a hard one to break.

If one looks for silver linings, we are close to having a full squad available. I think Dias, Ake and Torres all offer promise. Despite yesterday's errors, we have what looks like what it could become a strong back four.

I like Rodri and Gundog but I fear that we have to be ruthless and bring in another DM.
 
Football shouldn't eve be being played, never mind a consideration.

This season means fuck all and nothing to the vast majority and it isn't an excuse because we are not sitting top and pretty, its just a fact.

Players and staff are humans too and my guess is most have their minds elsewhere as well.
The reasoning cant be ruled out,except to say,if Covid is the reason......it doesn't seem to be affecting other teams to the same degree.
 
We can't escape the fact that it has become a very habit and it's proving to be a hard one to break.

If one looks for silver linings, we are close to having a full squad available. I think Dias, Ake and Torres all offer promise. Despite yesterday's errors, we have what looks like what it could become a strong back four.

I like Rodri and Gundog but I fear that we have to be ruthless and bring in another DM.

I really don't think it's a personnel issue, personally.

Having bought Dias and having a fit Laporte should have made the world of difference but they're still being played in a system which will expose literally any human being who has ever played the sport.

I don't think it will change much when everyone is fit. Not as drastically as needed and not for any considerable run of games. It's been over a year now.
 
Even though it is happening time & again, and I keep seeing it with my own eyes, and even after all the discussions on here about Pep's tactics etc ... I'm still not really sure how we keep losing (or drawing) games like this:

Spurs - City yesterday:

Possession: 34-66%
Shots: 4-22
Corners: 0-10
Goals: 2-0

Spurs go top of the league with an "impressive display" and pundits say they could be Champions this year if they keep playing like that.
 
I really don't think it's a personnel issue, personally.

Having bought Dias and having a fit Laporte should have made the world of difference but they're still being played in a system which will expose literally any human being who has ever played the sport.

I don't think it will change much when everyone is fit. Not as drastically as needed and not for any considerable run of games. It's been over a year now.

For the system to work, we have to be bullying teams in attack & robbing the ball off them constantly.

We are pedestrian in attack & not very quick to press or 2nd ball.

So it's pass pass pass pass pass pass pass wrong pass, panic.
 
Sound analysis. You mention the word ‘early’, and I think that is important. I’d almost rather we actually played with a consciously more defensive mindset for the first quarter of games, because to concede so early doesn’t give the players the chance to settle in to the game, and immediately increases the stress levels in the players (because of how rarely historically we have comeback from that scenario). That stress factor then feeds into our shooting and finishing for the rest of the game.

Agree on Ederson. He probably does stay too far out, simply because that is his default position for 80/90% of the time in matches so it’s habitual I guess. I also agree re the disallowed goal- it certainly wasn’t a clear and obvious handball to my eyes!

I'd have had our defence drop a little deeper for that free kick that led to the first goal and I think a bit more conservatism wouldn't go amiss at the moment but really best laid plans go out of the window when players make a series of consecutive individual errors.

On Eddie, he actually came out when he didn't need to. His staring position wasn't the issue. I'm at the point where I am wondering if he needs to be rested and Steffen given a chance. Eddie is without doubt the best keeper I've seen with the ball at his feet but too often we concede goals that I think could have been saved; although there are not too many that fall into the should.
 
We might have had 22 shots but how many of those had a clear sight of goal? Trying to squeeze the ball past 4 defenders and a keeper is never an easy task. Even when we did that our own players got in the way.

Spurs might only have had 4 shots but most were decent chances where they only had to get past Ederson
 
The reasoning cant be ruled out,except to say,if Covid is the reason......it doesn't seem to be affecting other teams to the same degree.

Id say it is given the league leaders have dropped 7 points already and last years runaway champions 7 already.

Its a farce football right now and most are going through the motions in an industry that is purely about the money, hence it still going on with teams having to play twice a week so as not too upset the tv companies and so that the PL doesn't have to pay money back.

I've not watched one single game in full this season and dont see that changing because its literally meaningless at the moment.
 
There has been a change to our pattern of play where Ederson is concerned.
He is getting to play the ball from his 6 yd box now because teams are pressing us higher up the pitch and making it more difficult for us to play out from deep in our half.
We should be mixing it up and using his ability to pass the ball 70 yds up the pitch from time to time, not always trying to play out.
Just my thoughts...
 
It's not the strikers, it's the supply.

Rodri wasn't even the issue yesterday, he was one of the better performers, but you know you are in trouble when Harry Kane is leaving you for dead and he effectively gave up the chase after him.

The goals conceded yesterday were very reminiscent of the ones against Lyon last season, people not switched on, balls over the top and into the channels, exposing Ederson stood in no-man's land.

Until we get someone who can do the hard yards and allow De Bruyne to make more considered bursts of energy, where it serves us best, in the attacking number ten space, we are still going to be banging our heads against a brick wall.

Teams have always sat in against us, nothing has changed on that score.

The only difference is that opponents are asking their forwards not to press Eddie or our backline, essentially telling them to drop into midfield and create a further block in front of our own midfield, the supply is becoming more high percentage risk passing when aimed between the lines.

Those opposing forwards are happy to drop deeper because they now have the ambition and knowledge that there will be fifty yards of space to run in behind us because we are all on top of each other.

They wouldn't do that previously when Fern was able to physically defend the transition.

Teams want us passing out wide, especially to Mahrez, who is an absolute liability every time he plays.

A shirker, someone who wants the personal glory, but doesn't have the heart or the bollocks to earn it for either himself or his team-mates, floating aimless lofted passes to the non-existent back post.

Teams are evolving and modifying because they know we have some players who are soft touches or don't want to fight for the right to play.

That's on Pep, he is a person who refuses to evolve or modify his demands to play a certain way, so buys players previously suited to a style of play which has been not so much found out, but isn't the all-conquering conundrum it once was.
 
This season is now officially in the 'transitional' basket.
The word “transition” is being used more and more but is it correct?

We use it sardonically in a rag context when they stumble from season to season.

It’s an action word, implying positive movement from one state to another. It’s not a euphemism for regression as our old guard disappear or decline, one by one. There were enough of those warriors around two/three years ago for Pep to propel us to glory. That’s no longer the case.

Everyone, including Pep and KDB, imply the players are fcuked and overworked. So do we effect our “transition” by continuing to flog the same tired bodies and minds every game, only to (probably) scrape top four?

Or maybe tweak tactics?

Or do we rotate more, blend some of the hungry kids in, still with a good chance of achieving top 4 but building something for the future?

Or do we wait for someone to wave a magic wand?

Genuine questions here. Not specifically for you, @BillyShears, but for anyone on the thread. I guess I’m just worried that transition means waiting around for something to happen.
 
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Football shouldn't eve be being played, never mind a consideration.

This season means fuck all and nothing to the vast majority and it isn't an excuse because we are not sitting top and pretty, its just a fact.

Players and staff are humans too and my guess is most have their minds elsewhere as well.

i think it does play apart.

playing in empty stadiums, when playing away do you get the use of the away dressing rooms etc i thought i read somewhere that the away team get changed in a 'container', i might have got that wrong. But there was one away match where City came onto the pitch from the stands.

it isnt football as we know or want, the league is going to be abit of a farce, covid 19 is going to play apart some teams are going to lose 4 or 5 players to covid self isolating. Injury and suspension is fair enough shit happens but should a league be decided by teams being short of players due to a pandemic.

think football has got lucky so far but can it last a whole season without a major problem
 
Win the game in hand, beat spuds at home... The difference is 2 points... It's a fine line.
Bit more to it than that I'm afraid. We look shot with our pressing and creativity. I thought our season would have really got going with a win last night. Unless something changes rapido, it will be more of the same.
 

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