Spurs (H) | PL | Post Match Thread

Having just put myself through the goals again, it's impossible to not feel a huge sense of frustration at the moment.

Personnel aside (although it definitely plays a role) we are consistently shooting ourselves in foot. It isn't acceptable at any level to concede the goals we do, whilst also allowing teams away with their own errors.

Prior to the opening goal we've missed two gilt edged chances (Haaland now on 2 goals from 8 XG after Arsenal)

First goal - Walker cedes possession when there's a simple ball inside to Lewis by fizzing it at Foden, who is brushed aside. When they recycle and pump it down the line, Gvardiol's 'defending' is laughable at best. He can tackle Kulusevski, put the ball out or just pull him over. He does zippo. It's pathetic and infuriating to hand the incentive away like this.

Second goal - Another clear error from Gvardiol, poor pass inside.

At this stage you can see the panic set in for 10 minutes afterward, we were all over the place. Yet Spurs make two or three mistakes and come out of it - like Porro looping it at the goalie etc.

Third goal - Walker weight of pass again, Foden blams it into a Spurs defender, then loses the ball again. Then it's all a mess - just flatten one of the Spurs players and take a card! It's just panicky defending but it can be stopped through a simple yellow card foul.

Fourth goal - Grealish hideous square ball and it all unravels from there.


Spurs must've been laughing their heads off, the same way Sporting were. They've been given the game through our own ineptitude by 20 minutes. It would be hard enough to recover with our best teams, let alone the patchwork ones we keep putting out at the moment.

The fixes are there with players returning, but there's a distinct lack of confidence not helped by routinely giving up these idiotic goals. Brighton was the same too - the first goal is playground stuff.

If we were hideously bad, we wouldn't be in the positions we had at Sporting & Brighton. It's like a throwback to Pep's first seasons, not strong enough in the boxes and when it goes wrong, we start flapping - like in CL campaigns against Liverpool and Tottenham.


One of the clearest fixes is to get a more stable footing when we attack, KDB showed this in his 15 minutes - three clear cut chances.

Taking these chances would also help (5 goals from 12 XG in last 5 PL games, alongside Haaland's lack of form) How we attack plays a significant role in how we defend, as we'll always have the majority of possession.

It's then showing a bit more grit & aggression - even if we go back to the 4 centre back set up for a while. I've not really analysed the structural issue yesterday, which was mostly when Spurs built up down the left side, but there were a few times we could've just knocked one of them over facing their own goal and got into shape. Plenty of teams will do this to us.


I feel like we may now have the chance to bring Rico & a couple of others out of the team for a few weeks. This may help as although he's a great prospect, he works best complimenting the side at the moment, not being a key factor. Gvardiol needs time out of it too, he's played too many minutes.
 
Agree this would help but the issues are much wider. Ake and Stones can’t stay fit, Kovacic (when fit) can’t play the 6 role. Foden is hopelessly out of form and Savio/Doku are never going to put up numbers like Mahrez, Sane, Sterling etc.
Yes we cannt sort all the problems once, first we need to focus defense. We concede easy goals, and when we concede we collapse completely.
 
Total shots - 23 City 9 Spurs
Shots on target - 5 City 7 Spurs
Shots off target - 11 City 2 Spurs
Blocked shots - 7 City 0 Spurs
Keeper saves - 3 City 5 Spurs
Corners - 9 City 3 Spurs
Touches in the box - 43 City 17 Spurs
Fouls - 19 City 9 Spurs (Wow!)
Possession- City 57.6%

These stats suggest that we’re not poor but we are not clinical and we are defensively naive. Our fantastic possession based football is currently undermined by a worrying loss of speed in midfield and defence. We haven’t managed to block a single shot as Spurs simply ran away from us. This team has the ability but not the legs. Until we can sign fresher quality players we will continue to be concede regularly against quicker counter attacking teams. Unless we get our shooting boots on, we will not outscore the opposition. Our shooting technique is schoolyard poor. If you don’t hit the goal you aren’t likely to score.

Pep has some big decisions. IMHO he has to play Nunes and McAtee, sacrifice aging top quality for more legs in midfield. We should have enough quality and experience elsewhere to compensate. He has to try and be more pragmatic with this current version of City and perhaps sit slightly deeper as a team, give up a (tiny) bit of possession for more shape and press high up the pitch more sparingly. It was embarrassing to watch Spurs play through us yesterday, bypass our sluggish midfield and bear down unchallenged on our goal.

Finally - set pieces FFS. Why did our set-piece coach leave us to go to Arsenal (a poorer team)? Unless they were doubling his wages it can only be because he was undervalued and underused here. Surely we have players with the ability to cross a dead ball into a dangerous area 9 times out of 10. If Lazarus Saka can do it, we must have someone who can spend 30 minutes a day in training perfecting the delivery? Our corners are unprofessional and this needs to change?

If we adapt slightly we’ll be OK. If we don’t, it’s going to be a long hard season unless our luck changes and missed chances turn into goals.

My views might be wrong and way off but this is what I think and what I am seeing.

Anyway CTID.
 
We have no alternative other than play more kids. That said Lewis is a kid and he looks totally out of place in the team right now.

We need yo buy a specialist LB and RB, a DM, an attacking midfielder, and a back up to Haaland soon as possible. But we need to make sure we're not panic buying and get the right players to enhance us.
Agree mate
 
Haaland missing chances he would normally put away easily.
Foden off form.
Savinho brilliant in flashes, bags of skill, end product has been poor, adjusting to PL life.
Bernardo off form, low on confidence.
KDB coming back from injury.
Gundogan struggling, probably was not meant to play so many games.
Rico played out of position and young.
Gvardiol playing out of position.
Walker seems like his legs are gone, or at least can't perform 90 mins at this level, werner beating him for pace says it all.
Stones struggling with injury.
Nunes doesn't seem good enough.
Jack out of favour.
Ruben, Doku, kovacic, Rodri, Bobb all injured.
Youth players on bench who can't be expected to step up as they have never have really got much of a chance before.

Apart from that we seem ok
Great optimism.
 
Countless problems... Where on earth do we start?

Firstly, Pep must take the much of the blame. He continues to start players that are simply out of form. Prime examples of this are Walker, Savinho & Bernardo. All three simply aren't playing anywhere near well enough to warrant consistent starts whilst the likes of Mcatee are sat on the bench. In fact, i wouldn't be surprised to see Mcatee follow what Cole Palmer did and ask to leave in January- If he can't get game time now he never will.

Forgetting Pep picking out of form players, what has really killed us is 2/3 years of generally poor recruitment/squad planning. On the squad planning issue, we have too many aging players that are shadows of their former self (Walker, Bernardo, Gundo, KDB to name a few) and we have gone from having several 'great' players to simply 'good' players. The difference is vast. Our squad is also laughably paper thin when you consider the sheer number of fixtures we have to contend with.

On the recruitment side, When you look at the calibre of players that have departed us in the last 3 years it is genuinely frightening... Laporte, Jesus, Palmer, Zinchenko, Sterling, Cancelo, Mahrez, Fernandinho, Alvarez... I could go on. When you look at who we have brought in during the time the above names have left only really Haaland and Gvardiol have been what you could deem a success. Most have flopped badly- Nunes and Kalvin Phillips being prime examples.

I have a great deal of sympathy for the following: Walker (Been a great servant but his legs have gone), Gundo (Same as Walker), KDB (Getting old now, Always injured and carrying a lot of timber these days), Rico (Top squad rotation player but not good enough to start consistently in a teams midfield that aspire to win titles).

The other lads in the squad don't really have any excuse. Grealish has let us down for two years now, Savinho isn't good enough, Foden not fulfilling his potential.

Big problems. Breaking the bank for Barella at Inter in January would be a start towards fixing some of these issues.
 
The “bluemoon meltdown “ thread will be busy on sadcafe, they’ve waited a long time for this.
No idea for a nickname will have his/her work cut out and of course the biggest city hater on the planet SER19 the guy who lives and breaths mcfc will be chomping at the bit lol
 
Haaland missing chances he would normally put away easily.
Foden off form.
Savinho brilliant in flashes, bags of skill, end product has been poor, adjusting to PL life.
Bernardo off form, low on confidence.
KDB coming back from injury.
Gundogan struggling, probably was not meant to play so many games.
Rico played out of position and young.
Gvardiol playing out of position.
Walker seems like his legs are gone, or at least can't perform 90 mins at this level, werner beating him for pace says it all.
Stones struggling with injury.
Nunes doesn't seem good enough.
Jack out of favour.
Ruben, Doku, kovacic, Rodri, Bobb all injured.
Youth players making up the bench who can't be expected to step up as they have never really got much of a chance before now.

Apart from that we seem ok
Nothing left:)
 

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