Spurs thread 2020/21

billymumphrey said:
WIth respect, mate, that's not correct.

I quoted your own words which state "was surprised by the outrage that his decision generated" implying that in the absence of said reaction he would have carried on doing what he was doing.
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Being surprised by other people's outrage is absolutely not the same thing as being ashamed about what you did to cause that outrage.

Similarly, his surprise at the outrage was not the reason for the U-turn. It was purely a business decision.
 
VOOMER said:
So the government/bank of England, gave them a £175 million pound loan, what a well run club.
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Well.....yes, actually! I know that you meant it sarcastically but, in fact, the only companies that qualified for these special BoE loans are those that met stringent criteria. Certainly, there were few football clubs among them.

All too many people have the notion that debt is inherently a bad thing. Businessmen don't see it like that at all. Debt used in the right way is a powerful tool to help grow a company.
 
how the fuck have spurs found this sort of money for bale ??? £600.000 a week for 12 months
forget the madrid are paying half of his wage ? spurs have had to pay a loan fee which pays there percentage £300.000 a week reported they are paying

also i heard spurs have a wage cap in place that is well below the other top 6 clubs, so good luck with the so called better players at spurs knocking on the chairman's door and downing tools
 
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JimB said:
Being surprised by other people's outrage is absolutely not the same thing as being ashamed about what you did to cause that outrage.

Similarly, his surprise at the outrage was not the reason for the U-turn. It was purely a business decision.
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How do you know. You carry on like your Levy's right hand man. But you love to think you know more than you really do. Btw I'm a multi billionaire and I know everything ;-)
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
How do you know. You carry on like your Levy's right hand man. But you love to think you know more than you really do. Btw I'm a multi billionaire and I know everything ;-)
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But other posters on here KNOW that Levy was "shamed" into a U-turn? They must be his right hand men too, right? ;-)

I don't know Levy. But it isn't unfair to say that I know more about him than you guys, is it? Just as you doubtless know far more than me about Mansour and Al Mubarak. I have closely followed and observed Levy at Spurs for 20 years. I have met him on a few occasions. Been in supporters meetings with him. I know people who know him well - what motivates him; his values etc. You guys, by contrast, have likely had little more than a passing interest in him. Which is entirely understandable.

Additionally, I get to read Spurs itk, which you probably don't. And in this instance, the itk from various credible sources was that Levy genuinely thought that most clubs would use the furlough scheme; that it was the prudent thing to do given the complete uncertainty as to the potential overall losses as a consequence of COVID; and that he called off the furlough move because, from a business perspective, it was proving to be entirely counterproductive.
 
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JimB said:
But other posters on here KNOW that Levy was "shamed" into a U-turn? They must be his right hand men too, right? ;-)

I don't know Levy. But it isn't unfair to say that I know more about him than you guys, is it? Just as you doubtless know far more than me about Mansour and Al Mubarak. I have closely followed and observed Levy at Spurs for 20 years. I have met him on a few occasions. Been in meetings with him. I know people who know him well - what motivates him; his values etc. You guys, by contrast, have likely had little more than a passing interest in him.

Additionally, I get to read Spurs itk, which you probably don't. And in this instance, the itk from various credible sources was that Levy genuinely thought that most clubs would use the furlough scheme; that it was the prudent thing to do given the complete uncertainty as to the potential overall losses as a consequence of COVID; that he called off the furlough move because, from a business perspective, it was proving to be entirely counterproductive.
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Jim I get you sticking up for your club, we're all the same, but to say he went back on furlough on any other reason than public outcry, for me is a lie. Use can use all the semantics you like, about shame, embarrassment or whatever, the bottom line is he tried but knew in the end it would be seen to be WRONG. So if he had no conscious he wouldn't be shamed or embarrassed and continued.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
Jim I get you sticking up for your club, we're all the same, but to say he went back on furlough on any other reason than public outcry, for me is a lie. Use can use all the semantics you like, about shame, embarrassment or whatever, the bottom line is he tried but knew in the end it would be seen to be WRONG. So if he had no conscious he wouldn't be shamed or embarrassed and continued.
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Seriously, mate. I'm not even sticking up for my club! In many respects, it would be far easier for me to say that Levy saw the error of his ways and was shamed and humbly repentant. That would be to put as positive a spin on it as possible.

But the truth is that Levy genuinely thought that applying for the furlough scheme was the right and prudent thing to do. And he only went back on the decision because the strong reaction against it was proving to be - or had the potential to be - more financially damaging than not utilising the furlough scheme.
 
JimB said:
Seriously, mate. I'm not even sticking up for my club! In many respects, it would be far easier for me to say that Levy saw the error of his ways and was shamed and humbly repentant. That would be to put as positive a spin on it as possible.

But the truth is that Levy genuinely thought that applying for the furlough scheme was the right and prudent thing to do. And he only went back on the decision because the strong reaction against it was proving to be - or had the potential to be - more financially damaging than not utilising the furlough scheme.
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It was a bloody quick change of mind, considering it was a carefully thought out business decision, and so soon after the derision started, just like Littlewoods.
 
Vienna_70 said:
It was a bloody quick change of mind, considering it was a carefully thought out business decision, and so soon after the derision started, just like Littlewoods.
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Not really. Spurs made the decision to apply for the furlough scheme one week after the government announced it. They reversed that decision a further two weeks later. Ample time to determine that it was so deeply unpopular that it would likely prove to be counterproductive.
 
JimB said:
Not really. Spurs made the decision to apply for the furlough scheme one week after the government announced it. They reversed that decision a further two weeks later. Ample time to determine that it was so deeply unpopular that it would likely prove to be counterproductive.
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Surely a supposedly savvy chairman like Levy should’ve at least sought some feedback, either from fans or his peers at other clubs, before applying though? It was a pretty major PR own goal, at best.
 
Ric said:
Surely a supposedly savvy chairman like Levy should’ve at least sought some feedback, either from fans or his peers at other clubs, before applying though? It was a pretty major PR own goal, at best.
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Agreed.
 
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