Stadium Expansion (Confirmed)

[S04]

Ever wondered why 80k capacity German stadia are always packed to the brim, no matter which teams are playing?

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Dortmund averaged 10k unsold seats 2005-2009 because they where not really competing with Bayern Munich at that time...

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Lets not get away from the fact that MCFC will, after the expansion, still have the cheapest season tickets in the PL and will also have more truly affordable seats for sale than any club.

The board have seemingly taken a very reasonable stance by forward funding the expansion whilst maintaining affordability across the range.

The alternative would be Arsenal's model where the fans pay through the nose irrespective of the financial need.

I simply dont understand how there is any cause for complaint in what City are planning.

Agreed 100%.

Its 2013, the days of passing kids under the turnstiles whilst dad pays two bobto get in are over.

Mcfc. Still the cheapest seats in tbe premier league.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

There is no perfect way of doing this really, I would like to know what the overall aim is. As we know there is a possibility that expansion will eventually include the side stands as well. If we a going to follow a German model then there can be a huge number of £299 tickets as the sheer volume of people will ensure revenue.

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The overall aim is to make as much money as possible. The 299 figure is mainly a pr exercise.

 

[jrb]

The 3rd tier is 75% £299 to £450.

I don't get what's not to like (if you are a blue). That's far far cheaper than what I am paying now, and what I expected.

And the only genuine problem to consider is the potential popularity of it i.e. existing seasoncard holders snapping them up. I am sure that will be considered. It's not even been built yet

There's nothing not to like Marvin.

The issue is the availability and where they will go.

If all or the majority of the £299 season tickets are snapped up by current season ticket holder relocations, where does that leave new and old fans who want to come back?

Where does it leave the club, apart from having 100's or 1000's of more expensive seats vacated, that they can't sell/shift?

There's absolutely no point in filling the new 3rd tiers, but have empty seats all over the other tiers because people/fans have relocated en-masse.

I appreciate the club are trying to solve this problem via getting friends and family to relocate along with current season ticket holders.

 

[Marvin]

There is no perfect way of doing this really, I would like to know what the overall aim is. As we know there is a possibility that expansion will eventually include the side stands as well. If we a going to follow a German model then there can be a huge number of £299 tickets as the sheer volume of people will ensure revenue.

If we are following an English model in place at most grounds, of a variety of different price structures, it seems that it would have been better to lower the prices in all areas. But I thought the £299 ticket would be to secure fans that otherwise couldn't come. But given they go to seasoncard holders first you are then left with those people facing the same issue. I think the club expect that the majority of people intend to stay where they are and will not sacrifice side stand seats for £299 tickets and so there will still be lower prices in the stands behind the goal that can enable people currently priced out to attend. But who knows. Either way there would be flaws, and I imagine the club have done considerable research that makes this the best option. Although we know that hasn't been the case with most of the other schemes they have brought in...

Indeed.

The club do plenty of research, but they still plough on regardless, even if that research is wrong.

However, and in all honesty, this is a one off opportunity to expand both ends, and more importantly, to entice back 1000's of missing City fans(150,000 at the PL parade), currently priced out of football, or who can't get a season ticket.

On a personal level I don't think City will succeed with those prices and limited cheap season tickets. But that's just my opinion.

I'm very surprised you say that. £299 to £450 is a huge reduction on what we are paying now And these are the 2015/16 prices.<br /><br />-- Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:36 pm --<br /><br />

The 3rd tier is 75% £299 to £450.

I don't get what's not to like (if you are a blue). That's far far cheaper than what I am paying now, and what I expected.

And the only genuine problem to consider is the potential popularity of it i.e. existing seasoncard holders snapping them up. I am sure that will be considered. It's not even been built yet

There's nothing not to like Marvin.

The issue is the availability and where they will go.

If all or the majority of the £299 season tickets are snapped up by current season ticket holder relocations, where does that leave new and old fans who want to come back?

Where does it leave the club, apart from having 100's or 1000's of more expensive seat vacated, that they can't sell/shift?

There's absolutely no point in filling the new 3rd tiers, but have empty seats all over the other tiers because people/fans have relocated en-masse.

I appreciate the club are trying to solve this problem via getting friends and family to relocate along with current season ticket holders.

Legitimate question - I'm sure by the time ticketing becomes a live issue, there'll have a plan in place.

 

[jrb]

There is no perfect way of doing this really, I would like to know what the overall aim is. As we know there is a possibility that expansion will eventually include the side stands as well. If we a going to follow a German model then there can be a huge number of £299 tickets as the sheer volume of people will ensure revenue.

If we are following an English model in place at most grounds, of a variety of different price structures, it seems that it would have been better to lower the prices in all areas. But I thought the £299 ticket would be to secure fans that otherwise couldn't come. But given they go to seasoncard holders first you are then left with those people facing the same issue. I think the club expect that the majority of people intend to stay where they are and will not sacrifice side stand seats for £299 tickets and so there will still be lower prices in the stands behind the goal that can enable people currently priced out to attend. But who knows. Either way there would be flaws, and I imagine the club have done considerable research that makes this the best option. Although we know that hasn't been the case with most of the other schemes they have brought in...

Indeed.

The club do plenty of research, but they still plough on regardless, even if that research is wrong.

However, and in all honesty, this is a one off opportunity to expand both ends, and more importantly, to entice back 1000's of missing City fans(150,000 at the PL parade), currently priced out of football, or who can't get a season ticket.

On a personal level I don't think City will succeed with those prices and limited cheap season tickets. But that's just my opinion.

I'm very surprised you say that. £299 to £450 is a huge reduction on what we are paying now And these are the 2015/16 prices.

You're absolutely right.

The point I'm making is this.

Sell them to new and old fans first that want to come back and support City.

If any remain, then sell them to current season ticket holders.

As it is, current season ticket holders like you and me have first refusal.

That then leaves less cheaper seats for new and old fans who want to come back, and more expensive seats that have been vacated by current season ticket holders. which probably won't sell.

I'm not anti this, but it isn't adding up in my eyes, even though the great and good at City must have sifted through the data and come up with the business plan.

-- Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:44 pm --

My plan.

Fill the f***er first wholesale, with new and old fans wanting to come back, and then see what the first seasons brings.

 

[mayo31]

Indeed.

The club do plenty of research, but they still plough on regardless, even if that research is wrong.

However, and in all honesty, this is a one off opportunity to expand both ends, and more importantly, to entice back 1000's of missing City fans(150,000 at the PL parade), currently priced out of football, or who can't get a season ticket.

On a personal level I don't think City will succeed with those prices and limited cheap season tickets. But that's just my opinion.

I'm very surprised you say that. £299 to £450 is a huge reduction on what we are paying now And these are the 2015/16 prices.

You're absolutely right.

The point I'm making is this.

Sell them to the new and old fans first that want to come back and support City.

If any remain, then sell them to the current season ticket holders.

As it is, current season ticket holders like you and me have first refusal.

That then leaves less cheaper seats for new and old fans who want to come back, and more expensive seats that have been vacated by current season ticket holders. which probably won't sell.

I'm not anti this, but it isn't adding up in my eyes, even though the great and good at City must have sifted through the data and come up with the business plan.

I see your point but why should the current season ticket holders not also have the chance of a cheaper ticket.

Seems to me some are getting lost in the whole package and what the ground will look like. It will be great to go to this stadium i have no doubts but the prices for all the other areas are going to increase considerably.

Someone passed over my previous comment when I said that in two seasons my ticket could increase by £150. I use the word 'could' as we do not totally know but neither has the club actually told us. They have shown us some great artist impressions.

No details on actual numbers of the £299 tickets but looking at the picture at the most I see 5000 seats possibly being part of that even these will range from £299 to £499.

 

[Jumanji]

Ever wondered why 80k capacity German stadia are always packed to the brim, no matter which teams are playing?

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Dortmund averaged 10k unsold seats 2005-2009 because they where not really competing with Bayern Munich at that time...

And United average something like that right now whilst they are competitive, filling less seats than Dortmund I might add....

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[jrb]

I'm very surprised you say that. £299 to £450 is a huge reduction on what we are paying now And these are the 2015/16 prices.

You're absolutely right.

The point I'm making is this.

Sell them to the new and old fans first that want to come back and support City.

If any remain, then sell them to the current season ticket holders.

As it is, current season ticket holders like you and me have first refusal.

That then leaves less cheaper seats for new and old fans who want to come back, and more expensive seats that have been vacated by current season ticket holders. which probably won't sell.

I'm not anti this, but it isn't adding up in my eyes, even though the great and good at City must have sifted through the data and come up with the business plan.

I see your point but why should the current season ticket holders not also have the chance of a cheaper ticket.

Seems to me some are getting lost in the whole package and what the ground will look like. It will be great to go to this stadium i have no doubts but the prices for all the other areas are going to increase considerably.

Someone passed over my previous comment when I said that in two seasons my ticket could increase by £150. I use the word 'could' as we do not totally know but neither has the club actually told us. They have shown us some great artist impressions.

No details on actual numbers of the £299 tickets but looking at the picture at the most I see 5000 seats possibly being part of that even these will range from £299 to £499.

Wrongly or rightly I thought the exercise/plan was to attract missing City fans back, and then to fill the stadium.(the ultimate investment/business plan)

I didn't think it was to move current season ticket holders to cheaper seats *first*.

Even if you restricted current season ticket holders to second in the queue, they will still renew their season tickets.

Restrict new and old City fans who want to come back to second in the queue, and they may not come back.

Hence get the new and old fans back in first, see what's left over, and then offer it to existing season ticket holders.

From a personal point of view I won't move. I'm happy where I am, and I'm happy to pay what I pay.

 

[cleavers]

why not just cut the costs for all fans, 425 behind the nets, and 500 down the side, with a few premium areas down the side, fill the 60000 seats, and keep growing the club.

This is what should happen, but it won't, because the club wants to 'maximise revenue streams'. For me those who have stuck around for years should be rewarded with lower prices if possible.

Not at all matey.

However, now the confetti and dust has settled, the proposal doesn't look as good.

As People have just come to realize, it has flaws.

And unless the club manages this proposal/incentive properly, it could bomb.

You make an assumption that the club only want to bring back fans that have been priced out. I don't think that's the case, most of the so called new 'fans' have far more disposable income than those who have been priced out, and will come from non Manchester postcodes, whether we like it or not, and many won't buy season tickets. They WILL be the 'united' brand of day tripper, and City are after this market, because it brings in much higher revenue compared to that of long standing season ticket holders, or old ones who have been priced out.

While they are advertising this as an opportunity to get a season ticket, I suspect the number of season ticket holders will not go up from 38,000 to 51,000, much more likely it will go up to a ceiling of 45,000, with the extra 6000 or so tickets being available for the games that always sell out against the other title contenders.

It shouldn't matter what price seats become available for this day tripper market, because they only come once or twice a season, so cost isn't the issue. Currently we only have 7000 of these tickets available (probably less with corporate), increasing that number is the real goal behind increasing capacity.