Stadium Expansion (Confirmed)

[blue for life]

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I for one rarely go these days and it is all due to the outrageous cost of £48 for a match ticket plus the rest - for an ordinary working man on an average wage it is asking just too much - cannot take my son too on top of that - I only go when offered a reduced or freebie now - been priced out - but if the £299 season tickets become available I am putiing my name down for me and my 6 year old (even if he doesnt go to every game which he wont especially night matches) - it is an investment for me and him for years to come and good value.

Charge me a resonable price and we may even buy a Jamie pir for £5.50 every now and then!

Get it sorted City!

 

[supercity88]

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I hope the club do the necessary research on pricing that is required ( I am sure they will). They will need to organise a huge amount of good value tickets £299 or whatever they may be. But at the end of the day the have to make a high revenue and you have to think that compared to other clubs we still have very reasonable prices considering the players on show. I think City in particular with the fan base they have in Manchester will have to think about this carefully. It needs to be a system like with Arsenal where they can charge what they want on hospitality because of the business interest in London and how many people would be interested in tickets. Securing revenue from this source will clearly enable more low cost tickets, but there will still have to be regular fans paying a lot of money for certain seats. Just need to find that balance. Some people will be priced out, but it is a consequence of modern football more than the club. The rules and regulations mean we have to go with that unfortunately.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

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How do the pics the fans have seen compare to the ones that were released?

e.g.:

Anyone?

 

[jockblue]

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Was there any discussion about the proposals to change the CB and East Stand Level 2 seats to corporate. The prices being suggested were abut £1300 per seat for these areas (about double where they are now) and this could lead to 4-5000 people wanting to relocate, as that sort of price rise is beyond many folk. Obviously displacing 5000 people around the stadium will be hard to do even with the extra capacity - many who have side-on views won't want end-on views and vice versa, and it'll get complicated pretty quickly unless there's a cunning plan.....

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

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Would love a safe standing section in the first tier of the south stand.

They should have one standing tier in the Dave Ewing Stand (now called the South Stand!) that would incorparate the two current levels, seating in the third level and fuck the away fans into one of the corners, preferably the East Stand.

 

[WEMBLEY76]

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Have noticed this season a lot of the executive boxes appear to be empty,heard they were very expensive..maybe the way to go is in mid range more affordable lounge style packages including shared meal and bar access.

 

[jrb]

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I appreciate it's ball ache, but could those who went last night please summarize what you were told, and what you found out. Perhaps via bullet points.(you don't want much do you jrb?)

It's just that there seems to be different and conflicting information posted by different People who attended last night.(away fans being moved or not, one or both tiers being redeveloped or not, new stand configuration/layout, etc)

Other posters have been adding snippets as well, which has added to the confusion.

It would be nice to clear things up and get a general consensus.

As a goodwill gesture I'll nip down to the ground tomorrow and take some pictures of the area in and around the Collar site being prepared for the construction of the new footbridge, as I'm currently on Holiday. :-)

 

[blueparrot]

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I for one rarely go these days and it is all due to the outrageous cost of £48 for a match ticket plus the rest - for an ordinary working man on an average wage it is asking just too much - cannot take my son too on top of that - I only go when offered a reduced or freebie now - been priced out - but if the £299 season tickets become available I am putiing my name down for me and my 6 year old (even if he doesnt go to every game which he wont especially night matches) - it is an investment for me and him for years to come and good value.

Charge me a resonable price and we may even buy a Jamie pir for £5.50 every now and then!

Get it sorted City!

Fair enough the Bayern game was expensive, but the Norwich home is £28 for me £12 for my son which isn't bad at all.

 

[blueyorkie]

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I appreciate it's ball ache, but could those who went last night please summarize what you were told, and what you found out. Perhaps via bullet points.(you don't want much do you jrb?)

It's just that there seems to be different and conflicting information posted by different People who attended last night.(away fans being moved or not, one or both tiers being redeveloped or not, new stand configuration/layout, etc)

Other posters have been adding snippets as well, which has added to the confusion.

It would be nice to clear things up and get a general consensus.

As a goodwill gesture I'll nip down to the ground tomorrow and take some pictures of the area in and around the Collar site being prepared for the construction of the new footbridge, as I'm currently on Holiday. :-)

Ok here goes,
Danny Wilson attended the West Yorks Supporters Club, amongst a wide range of topics was the stadium and atmosphere.
In simple terms
Initial consultation seen in cabin off City Square which invited opinions on away supporters location most favoured option with majority was to remain in south stand.
Expansion plan was to go through the planning process soon, likley to encompass both north and south
Decision on whether to build one or both would depend on fans consultation which will include a waiting list for Season cards
Lots of data analysis already
Once planning granted build will start more or less immediately
Minimal disruption, no loss of capacity only legends suite to close and City Square to be re vamped during building works. Build time estimated at about 18 months
Proposal being mooted by club, police and safety committee for away fans to be accomodated near corner of south stand on 3 levels
Data showed that all home games in last 21/2 seasons bar West Brom last season sold out. Fulham only sold 1 section and City fans took up the rest which was an indicator that for a saturday 3pm ko then 50000 is already achievable for those games where the away following sells out. 11 from 18 did last season

I think thats most points covered, hope it helps

 

[mostonbluemark]

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In terms of the potential to build/expand both ends at the same time, logical thinking would be the response to the Club based on who would be prepared to commit to names down on a waiting list and the numbers generated. There must be a fair few supporters/families who would/could bring other people if they were allowed to sit together. Using myself as an example, assuming we could get seats together, there would be another 5/6 of us, all requiring season tickets. How many other people out there could be in the same position?

 

[CatMan]

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Whether we sell out all the time or not is unimportant! Let's get out of this pissing match syndrome that views any non capacity match as a failure, as it is simply not the case!

Even if our 60,000 seats only produce a season's average crowd of 54,000 who really gives a fuck!

Certainly any of the extra fans that saw the games won't be moaning nor suicidal!

My issue is still what it was early in this post and that nobody else seems interested in discussing; just how can we get 10-14 year olds attending games independently and at a price they can afford? If we fail to answer this then in years to come the stadium will be empty for sure!

 

[LoveCity]

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Initial consultation seen in cabin off City Square which invited opinions on away supporters location most favoured option with majority was to remain in south stand.

I really hope this won't happen or we'll have the same problem as usual... two 'vocal' areas separated by up to 3,000 fans with no guarantees that the extra fans higher up in the South Stand will be singers. Same as now: Two areas singing different songs, no collaborated efforts (or when the two areas actually do sing the same song, one is about 5 seconds ahead of the other and it's a mess), and hard to generate noise.

One uninterrupted end please (as below), with the away fans on level 3 next to the South Stand so those who feel calling away fans fat is needed for atmosphere still have that option :). Just my opinion, anyway.

[bigimg]http://liverpoolfootballblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Liverpool_kop.jpeg[/bigimg]

 

[blueparrot]

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I appreciate it's ball ache, but could those who went last night please summarize what you were told, and what you found out. Perhaps via bullet points.(you don't want much do you jrb?)

It's just that there seems to be different and conflicting information posted by different People who attended last night.(away fans being moved or not, one or both tiers being redeveloped or not, new stand configuration/layout, etc)

Other posters have been adding snippets as well, which has added to the confusion.

It would be nice to clear things up and get a general consensus.

As a goodwill gesture I'll nip down to the ground tomorrow and take some pictures of the area in and around the Collar site being prepared for the construction of the new footbridge, as I'm currently on Holiday. :-)

Ok here goes,
Danny Wilson attended the West Yorks Supporters Club, amongst a wide range of topics was the stadium and atmosphere.
In simple terms
Initial consultation seen in cabin off City Square which invited opinions on away supporters location most favoured option with majority was to remain in south stand.
Expansion plan was to go through the planning process soon, likley to encompass both north and south
Decision on whether to build one or both would depend on fans consultation which will include a waiting list for Season cards
Lots of data analysis already
Once planning granted build will start more or less immediately
Minimal disruption, no loss of capacity only legends suite to close and City Square to be re vamped during building works. Build time estimated at about 18 months
Proposal being mooted by club, police and safety committee for away fans to be accomodated near corner of south stand on 3 levels
Data showed that all home games in last 21/2 seasons bar West Brom last season sold out. Fulham only sold 1 section and City fans took up the rest which was an indicator that for a saturday 3pm ko then 50000 is already achievable for those games where the away following sells out. 11 from 18 did last season

I think thats most points covered, hope it helps

I guess a build of 1 8 months means if they want to be ready for 15/16 season they need planning permission by the end of January 2014. Does anyone know enough about planning to say if that's possible?

 

[MadchesterCity]

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Is that good? Killing the away atmosphere? Without some away noise I fear the southstand would have even less reason to be vocal

I would have thought that having away fans situated in three different stands would be a logistical nightmare and due to segregation, reduce the capacity of the stadium

This wasn't one of the original options, which were set out on the official site (here - http://mcfc.co.uk/The-Club/Stadium-Future/Visiting-Supporters) and were: (i) tiers 1 and 2, South Stand; (ii) tier 3, South Stand; and (iii) tier 3, East Stand.

I agree with you - it would sound more practicable to me to keep them on two tiers rather than all three.

All three levels, fill the first level first then fill the rest. All 3 levels controlled by one staircase

 

[Kenney_The_Blue]

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I appreciate it's ball ache, but could those who went last night please summarize what you were told, and what you found out. Perhaps via bullet points.(you don't want much do you jrb?)

It's just that there seems to be different and conflicting information posted by different People who attended last night.(away fans being moved or not, one or both tiers being redeveloped or not, new stand configuration/layout, etc)

Other posters have been adding snippets as well, which has added to the confusion.

It would be nice to clear things up and get a general consensus.

As a goodwill gesture I'll nip down to the ground tomorrow and take some pictures of the area in and around the Collar site being prepared for the construction of the new footbridge, as I'm currently on Holiday. :-)

Ok here goes,
Danny Wilson attended the West Yorks Supporters Club, amongst a wide range of topics was the stadium and atmosphere.
In simple terms
Initial consultation seen in cabin off City Square which invited opinions on away supporters location most favoured option with majority was to remain in south stand.
Expansion plan was to go through the planning process soon, likley to encompass both north and south
Decision on whether to build one or both would depend on fans consultation which will include a waiting list for Season cards
Lots of data analysis already
Once planning granted build will start more or less immediately
Minimal disruption, no loss of capacity only legends suite to close and City Square to be re vamped during building works. Build time estimated at about 18 months
Proposal being mooted by club, police and safety committee for away fans to be accomodated near corner of south stand on 3 levels
Data showed that all home games in last 21/2 seasons bar West Brom last season sold out. Fulham only sold 1 section and City fans took up the rest which was an indicator that for a saturday 3pm ko then 50000 is already achievable for those games where the away following sells out. 11 from 18 did last season

I think thats most points covered, hope it helps

great round-up, thanks for that mate, helps a lot.

 

[MadchesterCity]

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In my mind I'm hoping the away fans are spread over 3 tiers, but get shifted to the corner like we were at Hamburg. That way we get a full 'atmospheric end' and it stops the away fans being directly above any City fans, and if they cant sell out a tier we open it up to ours like we do at present.

Am I close? Thanks for the update anyway folks

Be good to stick them near the corner flag, anyone else sick of seeing away fans behind the goal whilst watching MOTD etc?

Thats the way it was explained to us last night

sounds great

 

[mostonbluemark]

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I appreciate it's ball ache, but could those who went last night please summarize what you were told, and what you found out. Perhaps via bullet points.(you don't want much do you jrb?)

It's just that there seems to be different and conflicting information posted by different People who attended last night.(away fans being moved or not, one or both tiers being redeveloped or not, new stand configuration/layout, etc)

Other posters have been adding snippets as well, which has added to the confusion.

It would be nice to clear things up and get a general consensus.

As a goodwill gesture I'll nip down to the ground tomorrow and take some pictures of the area in and around the Collar site being prepared for the construction of the new footbridge, as I'm currently on Holiday. :-)

Ok here goes,
Danny Wilson attended the West Yorks Supporters Club, amongst a wide range of topics was the stadium and atmosphere.
In simple terms
Initial consultation seen in cabin off City Square which invited opinions on away supporters location most favoured option with majority was to remain in south stand.
Expansion plan was to go through the planning process soon, likley to encompass both north and south
Decision on whether to build one or both would depend on fans consultation which will include a waiting list for Season cards
Lots of data analysis already
Once planning granted build will start more or less immediately
Minimal disruption, no loss of capacity only legends suite to close and City Square to be re vamped during building works. Build time estimated at about 18 months
Proposal being mooted by club, police and safety committee for away fans to be accomodated near corner of south stand on 3 levels
Data showed that all home games in last 21/2 seasons bar West Brom last season sold out. Fulham only sold 1 section and City fans took up the rest which was an indicator that for a saturday 3pm ko then 50000 is already achievable for those games where the away following sells out. 11 from 18 did last season

I think thats most points covered, hope it helps

I guess a build of 1 8 months means if they want to be ready for 15/16 season they need planning permission by the end of January 2014. Does anyone know enough about planning to say if that's possible?

There are two scheduled Planning & Highways Committee meetings that may be relevent. Assuming an early December planning application submission, the first meeting is scheduled for 19/12/2013. If that's a bit racey then the next Planning & Highways Committee meeting after that is 16/01/2014 which sounds about ideal to me.

 

[Kenney_The_Blue]

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Initial consultation seen in cabin off City Square which invited opinions on away supporters location most favoured option with majority was to remain in south stand.

I really hope this won't happen or we'll have the same problem as usual... two 'vocal' areas separated by up to 3,000 fans with no guarantees that the extra fans higher up in the South Stand will be singers. Same as now: Two areas singing different songs, no collaborated efforts (or when the two areas actually do sing the same song, one is about 5 seconds ahead of the other and it's a mess), and hard to generate noise.

One uninterrupted end please (as below), with the away fans on level 3 next to the South Stand so those who feel calling away fans fat is needed for atmosphere still have that option :). Just my opinion, anyway.

[bigimg]http://liverpoolfootballblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Liverpool_kop.jpeg[/bigimg]

I appreciate it's ball ache, but could those who went last night please summarize what you were told, and what you found out. Perhaps via bullet points.(you don't want much do you jrb?)

It's just that there seems to be different and conflicting information posted by different People who attended last night.(away fans being moved or not, one or both tiers being redeveloped or not, new stand configuration/layout, etc)

Other posters have been adding snippets as well, which has added to the confusion.

It would be nice to clear things up and get a general consensus.

As a goodwill gesture I'll nip down to the ground tomorrow and take some pictures of the area in and around the Collar site being prepared for the construction of the new footbridge, as I'm currently on Holiday. :-)

Ok here goes,
Danny Wilson attended the West Yorks Supporters Club, amongst a wide range of topics was the stadium and atmosphere.
In simple terms
Initial consultation seen in cabin off City Square which invited opinions on away supporters location most favoured option with majority was to remain in south stand.
Expansion plan was to go through the planning process soon, likley to encompass both north and south
Decision on whether to build one or both would depend on fans consultation which will include a waiting list for Season cards
Lots of data analysis already
Once planning granted build will start more or less immediately
Minimal disruption, no loss of capacity only legends suite to close and City Square to be re vamped during building works. Build time estimated at about 18 months
Proposal being mooted by club, police and safety committee for away fans to be accomodated near corner of south stand on 3 levels

Data showed that all home games in last 21/2 seasons bar West Brom last season sold out. Fulham only sold 1 section and City fans took up the rest which was an indicator that for a saturday 3pm ko then 50000 is already achievable for those games where the away following sells out. 11 from 18 did last season

I think thats most points covered, hope it helps

Hopefully its this mate, i'd much prefer them split over 3 tiers, however that does crop up your point of splitting up songs/city fans, think the atmosphere would be easier to generate though if the away fans section was half as wide

 

[Gordyola]

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Away fans will remain as they are at the moment with the additional segment in third tier. It seems that all stake holders are keen for this to be the case, moving would compromise too many things but most notably exit safety

Work will start early in the new year, subject to planning. At the moment the intention to do both at the same time, this works out cheaper and better logistically. Apart from Legends Lounge there will be very little compromise for fans

Additional structure will be built that is approx. 10m from current, encompassing the Cablenet ground stakes, the new roof sits on this and is supported by the Cablenet at pitch end, the roof pitch will be opposite from current roof, this should help hold the noise in.

Since it is said that the effect on fans will be minimal I guess the roof (umbrella) will be removed and the new one installed during close season
Information will be sent to all SC and members soon with letters tailored to the seat location as other changes are on the cards, no details.

 

[Eccles Blue]

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Away fans will remain as they are at the moment with the additional segment in third tier. It seems that all stake holders are keen for this to be the case, moving would compromise too many things but most notably exit safety

Work will start early in the new year, subject to planning. At the moment the intention to do both at the same time, this works out cheaper and better logistically. Apart from Legends Lounge there will be very little compromise for fans

Additional structure will be built that is approx. 10m from current, encompassing the Cablenet ground stakes, the new roof sits on this and is supported by the Cablenet at pitch end, the roof pitch will be opposite from current roof, this should help hold the noise in.

Since it is said that the effect on fans will be minimal I guess the roof (umbrella) will be removed and the new one installed during close season
Information will be sent to all SC and members soon with letters tailored to the seat location as other changes are on the cards, no details.

That was the meeting I attended, which wasn't last night it was a couple of weeks ago, but we were asked to keep it confidential at the time, which is what Kramer stated last night in an earlier posting, but we have now been released from that so the information I gave and kramer has now added to was not from the meeting DW attended last night.

Just hoping to clarify things a little. Two meetings on different/contrasting elements. Hope that helps. :-)