Stadium Expansion (Confirmed)

[LoveCity]

Does anyone have any info on how numbers are looking on day 3 on the waiting list ?

Well, someone on the Waiting List thread said he's 1,350 or something on the list so does that mean there have been at least that many new people on the waiting list?

I wonder what sort of demand they will want to expand both ends rather than one? 8,000+?

 

[waspish]

We need a stadium with the capacity of 80k and a 1/4 of those seats capped at £300 and the other 1/4 at £500 the rest they can charge what city think they can get...

 

[Kenney_The_Blue]

Does anyone have any info on how numbers are looking on day 3 on the waiting list ?

Well, someone on the Waiting List thread said he's 1,350 or something on the list so does that mean there have been at least that many new people on the waiting list?

I wonder what sort of demand they will want to expand both ends rather than one? 8,000+?

yeah it really is as simple as it sounds, he'll be 1350th in the que, i'd assume we'll sell 48,000/50,000 ST, 3,000 away fans and around 8/10,000 on open sale each game? So we need around 10,000 extra season tickets

 

[blueparrot]

Does anyone have any info on how numbers are looking on day 3 on the waiting list ?

Well, someone on the Waiting List thread said he's 1,350 or something on the list so does that mean there have been at least that many new people on the waiting list?

I wonder what sort of demand they will want to expand both ends rather than one? 8,000+?

As the waiting list dosn't include current s/c holders and they may want to increase the number of away fans and match day tickets sold. I would guess it would be less than 8000. I don't think they would want to expand and still be selling out every league game.
5000 new s/c holders + more away fans would almost fill one expanded stand so just guessing but I think it would be around that sort of figure

 

[blueyorkie]

Had previously bought into the rhetoric I was hearing about giving football back to the people, cheaper ticketing across the board.

For me, the sooner you can reconcile that our owner and excellent chairman are not infallible, the better place you will find yourself in?

Of course they make bad decisions, they will also employ people who make bad decisions - they have enough money to throw at a problem to repackage even the dodgiest of sales pitches.

I refused to go to either of the Wembley FA semi-finals, because I wholeheartedly believe it is a scam, to reduce the FA debt mountain, in addition to no consideration for the geographical location of its participants.

City are certainly not the club I started following 35 years ago, and mostly it is for the better. I thank Shiekh Mansour and Khaldoon from the bottom of my heart for waking the sleeping giant I was always told my club was.

Sadly, the more I am being told that the club is moving closer to its fans, the further away I feel. Perhaps it's a generational thing, and like all in life's cycles, the baton is readily being picked up by those with more disposable income, time and no children.

I am lucky that I can afford, and choose to, 'presently', my £700 x2 a year - but it's not really that is it? When we add on Champs League and the cup games, I'm easily paying closer to £2000 a year.

Sure, I could stay at home, but I don't want to. I want to see the team I love.

My little boy is six and I dream of him coming with me every week when his attention span finally allows for it, and the toilet breaks are less frequent!

And that's the kick in the bollocks.

Because City know they have got you hanging by those very same bollocks.

The same City who don't seem to think anything of charging their bedrock £6 quid for a burger or a pie.

Like my old man, I will one day be priced out (I'm also paying for his season card this year), and I will be sat nursing my pint watching it on the box, boasting about our trophies, our world class playing squad and a stadium which looks shit-hot from a SkySport Blimp.

Goodness knows how those less well-off must feel about their continued 'participation' in something which has been ever-present in the lives.

Surely fear now overrides the sadness?

Whilst understanding what you are saying, I have a good mate who thinks much the same as you do, there is another aspect to it. It's true that some of the prices are rising, I know as I'm in the area most affected, there are alternatives and to be fair we have had a cheap deal for a long time. They have also played fair with Junior tickets and concessions. It's not all price rises, I think they are trying to cater for all tastes and budgets.
It would be unrealistic for City not to develop the prime seats and offer a premium package given the need to comply with FFP, particularly when we lag behind on match day income. If you go to a theatre to watch a top class show then you will pay at least as much, if not more for your ticket as at City.

Granted, but who feels compelled to pay to attend the theatre more than a couple times a month?

Or, if you are a complete philistine like my good self, once a year in his smoking jacket to watch Les Mis!

Football is a completely different demographic from theatre-goers, if you will excuse me the sweeping generalisation.

The cost of living is such that although watching City has been relatively cheap, in comparison to the likes of United and Arsenal down the years, wages have and will not keep apace with the inflation football now seems to have set in stone.

Loyalty should not be conditional on success. Just as having better facilities and players should not come with 'strings', as the German clubs would seem to have found the right balance.

Point accepted but I only used the theatre as an example, my point really was given the standard of what we have it has to be paid for, just like seeing a top class act, production etc. We are fortunate that they seem to be offering a deal for all budgets. Its a competitive game and to compete you need the best, how can they do this without growing the club?

 

[fbloke]

Whilst understanding what you are saying, I have a good mate who thinks much the same as you do, there is another aspect to it. It's true that some of the prices are rising, I know as I'm in the area most affected, there are alternatives and to be fair we have had a cheap deal for a long time. They have also played fair with Junior tickets and concessions. It's not all price rises, I think they are trying to cater for all tastes and budgets.
It would be unrealistic for City not to develop the prime seats and offer a premium package given the need to comply with FFP, particularly when we lag behind on match day income. If you go to a theatre to watch a top class show then you will pay at least as much, if not more for your ticket as at City.

Granted, but who feels compelled to pay to attend the theatre more than a couple times a month?

Or, if you are a complete philistine like my good self, once a year in his smoking jacket to watch Les Mis!

Football is a completely different demographic from theatre-goers, if you will excuse me the sweeping generalisation.

The cost of living is such that although watching City has been relatively cheap, in comparison to the likes of United and Arsenal down the years, wages have and will not keep apace with the inflation football now seems to have set in stone.

Loyalty should not be conditional on success. Just as having better facilities and players should not come with 'strings', as the German clubs would seem to have found the right balance.

Point accepted but I only used the theatre as an example, my point really was given the standard of what we have it has to be paid for, just like seeing a top class act, production etc. We are fortunate that they seem to be offering a deal for all budgets. Its a competitive game and to compete you need the best, how can they do this without growing the club?

I know what you guys are saying and to be honest I think we need to appreciate that we no longer sit or stand next to 'Jack' - that was more or less a guarantee back when I started watching City in the 70's

Th simple truth is that we chaps now enjoy the company of far more Jills at football as well as mini-Jacks and little-Jills. Not to mention far more people from ethnic minorities and indeed people who see City as part of the entertainment they seek on an ad hoc basis.

I would dearly love to stand with my boys on a terrace and feel the roar of the crowd in our bones. To be part of that collective experience is something many of us want now, but its from another generation and so are so many of the things Tolm alludes to.

But I am also aware that 'Jack' is now a highly paid web designer specialising in ruby on rails (or some such guff) where he once used to work in a job where his hands were mucky at the end of the day and he perpetually smelt of diesel.

The club are at least making efforts to price entry into the ground in a way that very few cannot EVER afford to go and for that I applaud them.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Had previously bought into the rhetoric I was hearing about giving football back to the people, cheaper ticketing across the board.

For me, the sooner you can reconcile that our owner and excellent chairman are not infallible, the better place you will find yourself in?

Of course they make bad decisions, they will also employ people who make bad decisions - they have enough money to throw at a problem to repackage even the dodgiest of sales pitches.

I refused to go to either of the Wembley FA semi-finals, because I wholeheartedly believe it is a scam, to reduce the FA debt mountain, in addition to no consideration for the geographical location of its participants.

City are certainly not the club I started following 35 years ago, and mostly it is for the better. I thank Shiekh Mansour and Khaldoon from the bottom of my heart for waking the sleeping giant I was always told my club was.

Sadly, the more I am being told that the club is moving closer to its fans, the further away I feel. Perhaps it's a generational thing, and like all in life's cycles, the baton is readily being picked up by those with more disposable income, time and no children.

I am lucky that I can afford, and choose to, 'presently', my £700 x2 a year - but it's not really that is it? When we add on Champs League and the cup games, I'm easily paying closer to £2000 a year.

Sure, I could stay at home, but I don't want to. I want to see the team I love.

My little boy is six and I dream of him coming with me every week when his attention span finally allows for it, and the toilet breaks are less frequent!

And that's the kick in the bollocks.

Because City know they have got you hanging by those very same bollocks.

The same City who don't seem to think anything of charging their bedrock £6 quid for a burger or a pie.

Like my old man, I will one day be priced out (I'm also paying for his season card this year), and I will be sat nursing my pint watching it on the box, boasting about our trophies, our world class playing squad and a stadium which looks shit-hot from a SkySport Blimp.

Goodness knows how those less well-off must feel about their continued 'participation' in something which has been ever-present in the lives.

Surely fear now overrides the sadness?

great post

No doubt you will get replies though of stop moaning or thats the price of success........................................... usually from people who havent been affected

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Granted, but who feels compelled to pay to attend the theatre more than a couple times a month?

Or, if you are a complete philistine like my good self, once a year in his smoking jacket to watch Les Mis!

Football is a completely different demographic from theatre-goers, if you will excuse me the sweeping generalisation.

The cost of living is such that although watching City has been relatively cheap, in comparison to the likes of United and Arsenal down the years, wages have and will not keep apace with the inflation football now seems to have set in stone.

Loyalty should not be conditional on success. Just as having better facilities and players should not come with 'strings', as the German clubs would seem to have found the right balance.

The thing is; i posted on this thread earlier in the week saying that there are tickets to ALL shows at the Palace at £22-22.50. Even at West End shows there are tickets at £27 and Broadway the equivalent of £30.

You've actually hit upon a decent analogy for me...going to City these days, does feel like just going to the theatre.

You sit there beforehand, the whole footballing experience of the Premier League is sanitised to the point of tedium. It's clearly impacted the atmosphere.

These new stadia, all cathedral like, you can hear the reverential hushed tones right up to kick-off, until the band strikes up and we expect Spanish Dave to conduct a perfect symphony.

And if we do hit a bum note, there's always a PR 'Ciddy' wanker on the mic who wants to remind us all how lucky we are to be part of such an enthralling and unique experience.

I might be alright Jack, but I kinda like sitting next to Jack, week in, week out, sharing our passion for City, irrespective of how deep his pockets might be.


#Be A Part of It - but only if you have the means it would now seem?

I'll tell you how I see it, Tolm, and there's a bit of evidence out there if you look for it.

Sheikh Mansour thought he was buying a top six club with a debt and an enormous fanbase. On the face if it that's what it was - we had a good squad back then, were already in Europe and had been getting 40,000 fans for years. He thought he could pay off the debt, spend a couple of hundred million and have one of Europe's top teams which was washing it's own face financially whilst showing off his Abu Dhabi around the world.

I think the reality is that it's cost him a lot more than he thought and been a damn sight harder to get bums on the cheap seats, corporate clients in the boxes and big time Champs League revenues on the P&L.

I think the ongoing loyalty, and arguably masochism, of City fans has meant there wasn't the legions of lapsed fans he was told was there - maybe Frank gave him a bum steer with website hits or something? So we are now in a position where Soriano is under serious pressure to stop the club pissing his hard earned cash up the wall and get it to break even.

It can only happen by squeezing all revenues, including matchday (which is pretty poor compared to our peers). This was never an altruistic venture. I'm not saying it's right but I think it's inevitable. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

I think the one ray of light is that City currently have a very low differential in price between the shit seats and the good seats. At clubs like Chelsea you pay three times what you'd pay for a front row seat to sit half way up on the half way line. At City there's hardly any difference. So I just hope that they can get a balance right here so there are at least a reasonable amonunt of cheap tickets available for those on lower income.

 

[sktooblue]

There are some excellent points made here and I don't want to score cheap shots but if people are concerned about how expensive the ticket prices are, wtf do some many leave 10 minutes before the end. This is where the comparison with the theatre falls down, I'm not much of a theatre goer, but I've never witnessed a mass exodus 10 minutes before the curtain comes down that leaves the performers to take their bows in silence. I know this is slightly off topic but it never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

There are some excellent points made here and I don't want to score cheap shots but if people are concerned about how expensive the ticket prices are, wtf do some many leave 10 minutes before the end. This is where the comparison with the theatre falls down, I'm not much of a theatre goer, but I've never witnessed a mass exodus 10 minutes before the curtain comes down that leaves the performers to take their bows in silence. I know this is slightly off topic but it never ceases to amaze me.

Because in a theatre the ending comes at the end and anyone missing it would be stupid.

In football the conclusion is often reached long before that. Therefore you'll get many more people leaving early if we are 3-0 up than if it's end to end and 1-1.