Stadium Expansion (Confirmed)

[wearethesouthstand]

Apologies if already covered, but am I right in assuming the club have ignored the chance to allocate one end as an 'atmosphere' end?

Big mistake if they have.

we had an open meeting with the club 5th September and this scenario was described to everyone there by danny wilson. this way it doesn't mean forcing moving anyone particularly to move...people have the option of staying where they are, so it avoids a repeat of the north stand situation a couple of years ago. also instead of giving away fans 3000 or minimum one tier (1500) you could actually give away fans just the seats in level 1 if it was wigan, ie 500 seats, or two tiers - 1500 and if you wanted to give a club all 3000 seats they would take all 3 tiers.

plainly for this to work we need the right sort of fans in the new blocks. otherwise the singers will still be split. so it's a case of do we want 111 moving into 115 ? or staying where they are.

The club should do everything they can to get the 111 area into the new south stand. This new south stand should be being billed as the new kippax. The club are missing a unique opportunity to give the ground one voice. Once the waiting list opens its too late.

They should be differentiating between these two areas in terms of who they want sitting there.

so 111 goes into 115 that's just one block. the noise still has to be loud enough to get past the away fans and hit the east stand for them to pick up. £299 seats are at the back of the stand. is there an argument to say loudest fans at the back and let the noise hit all parts of the ground from there?
also if capacity is 61000, and we give 15% 9000 to aways for a cup game, do they just take our end again anyway ?

 

[colinthewindowcleaner]

Hope it's not the same 'singing section' that wasn't present at the Everton or bayern games!
And south stand will NEVER be the Kippax

 

[davymcfc]

Looks impressive. Can't wait to see it all done.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

we had an open meeting with the club 5th September and this scenario was described to everyone there by danny wilson. this way it doesn't mean forcing moving anyone particularly to move...people have the option of staying where they are, so it avoids a repeat of the north stand situation a couple of years ago. also instead of giving away fans 3000 or minimum one tier (1500) you could actually give away fans just the seats in level 1 if it was wigan, ie 500 seats, or two tiers - 1500 and if you wanted to give a club all 3000 seats they would take all 3 tiers.

plainly for this to work we need the right sort of fans in the new blocks. otherwise the singers will still be split. so it's a case of do we want 111 moving into 115 ? or staying where they are.

The club should do everything they can to get the 111 area into the new south stand. This new south stand should be being billed as the new kippax. The club are missing a unique opportunity to give the ground one voice. Once the waiting list opens its too late.

They should be differentiating between these two areas in terms of who they want sitting there.

so 111 goes into 115 that's just one block. the noise still has to be loud enough to get past the away fans and hit the east stand for them to pick up. £299 seats are at the back of the stand. is there an argument to say loudest fans at the back and let the noise hit all parts of the ground from there?
also if capacity is 61000, and we give 15% 9000 to aways for a cup game, do they just take our end again anyway ?

I have thought about that area at the back. I would assume that the club will be sensible enough to use a sound-reflecting surface so that his could be the area where songs start.

What I mean is that the club should be making every effort to get singing fans up in this area. They should give first refusal and a cheap deal to fans currently in the singing areas. Then they should offer a massive discount to 16-25 year olds anywhere in the south stand. Market it as the area for atmosphere.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

complete missed opportunity not having the south stand level one jsut for city fans.

It may make the atmosphere worse, less away fans and still a seperation between city fans either side of the away fans.

 

[Bill]

Oh that's good news, did they say which blocks on level 2 are up for the chop then?

it seems its as you were, i.e if you have a padded seats now you'll be offered various hospitality packs. normal seats like mine stay with the rabble.

its a shame cos its going to be amazing. I wont move seats for any reason but from what I've seen I am sorely tempted.

It seems the padded seats will have access to a new concourse in the the new stands with upgraded facilities

Correct.

 

[DiscoSteve]

Oh that's good news, did they say which blocks on level 2 are up for the chop then?

it seems its as you were, i.e if you have a padded seats now you'll be offered various hospitality packs. normal seats like mine stay with the rabble.

its a shame cos its going to be amazing. I wont move seats for any reason but from what I've seen I am sorely tempted.

It seems the padded seats will have access to a new concourse in the the new stands with upgraded facilities

You didn't mean the 'new ends' did you? Because I can't see how they would have access to there from the padded seats (that's me in 201 btw) because you'd have to get past the plastics (seats that is) to get to the end - I thought they'd just block off the 2nd concourse just inside the last spiral and rework the concourse and bar/food areas

 

[Marvin]

Need away fans in the home end to create focus for the atmosphere, just like the Kippax

If the away fans got moved then the atmosphere would move with them. I've always gone to where the away fans are

There'll be 14, 000 behind the goal, and if there's 3k away fans there, I'll guarantee the 11k City would make more noise than 14k with no away fans.

Same situation in South Stand Upper Tier. Atmosphere is always good when it's half City half away fans. But it's poor when it's 100% City

 

[wearethesouthstand]

complete missed opportunity not having the south stand level one jsut for city fans.

It may make the atmosphere worse, less away fans and still a seperation between city fans either side of the away fans.

the club see it as this : if you have away fans on 3 tiers and City fans wither side of them you then have potentially 6 areas of noise/conflict/banter where the fans can sing against each other. sounds ok in theory but would it work though ?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

complete missed opportunity not having the south stand level one jsut for city fans.

It may make the atmosphere worse, less away fans and still a seperation between city fans either side of the away fans.

the club see it as this : if you have away fans on 3 tiers and City fans wither side of them you then have potentially 6 areas of noise/conflict/banter where the fans can sing against each other. sounds ok in theory but would it work though ?

Interesting. Could go one way or the other. If the acoustics are better then we might avoid the current scenario at big games where two or three songs are going at once at key moments

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Re: Stadium Expansion excitement!

Drool.

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wow just wow!!

 

[ste.sully]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

Can we not buy that Asda and close it down? Lowers the tone.

If you were Walmart would you sell it???

I bet Asda can't believe their luck. Yes there were many promises for Sportcity in the 90s but many were a bit pie in the sky.

When they invested in the late 1990s I don't think they ever thought they would get this kind of regeneration.

Finally - I shudder at the thought of a supercasino in a deprieved area of east Manchester over the Etihad Campus. Good things come to those who wait.

 

[6one]

It would look daft if only one end was done. And surely less upheaval if both ends done together.

 

[Eastlands]

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Apart from the reduced viewing quality of the extra 13500 seats at Eastlands, if fully used for 30 matches per season at an average of say, £35 per ticket, it gives a potential of just over £14 million revenue per season. Now I have no idea of the cost of this project but I do wonder how MCFC or it’s current paying fans will benefit
Maybe I’ve got my sums wrong on this but the Citihad juggernaut rolls on regardless

 

[Carver]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

The whacking great pillars will have the drains in. Note that if the roof is sloping inwards the water will need to be pumped from a front 'gutter' as at the Emirates
The poles sticking out are probably the original poles, weren't they were like this on the sketches in the exhibition.

The most exciting thing I noticed is.... They are going to replace the bulbs on top of the towers. Brilliant!

 

[Vic]

I'm still not sure what happens to the "padded seat" sections. The diagram doesn't indicate any more corporate areas, but the FAQ http://content.mcfc.co.uk/images/waiting-list/SWLFAQs.pdf suggests there will be: (for 2015/16) 2014/15 Seasoncard holders located on Colin Bell Stand Level 2 & East Stand Level 2, impacted by proposed Premium Seating and who do not wish to renew in their existing location – window to relocate to any available seat, including new seats made available via the proposed stadium expansion

I take it from that you'd get priority to move to new areas, but as indicated by others, giving up your tier 2 seat along the side for one in tier 3 behind the goal, even if cheaper, will not go down well.

 

[johnmc]

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Apart from the reduced viewing quality of the extra 13500 seats at Eastlands, if fully used for 30 matches per season at an average of say, £35 per ticket, it gives a potential of just over £14 million revenue per season. Now I have no idea of the cost of this project but I do wonder how MCFC or it’s current paying fans will benefit
Maybe I’ve got my sums wrong on this but the Citihad juggernaut rolls on regardless

I don't understand your post. £14m over 5 years is £70m. Is that an unrealistic cost for the work? If not then after 5 years its paid for itself and the club are up £14m a year. Which some will be put back into the club. But that only ticket revenue not including any additional revenue the extra fans bring. How will it not benefit the current paying fans?

Not to mention the fans who could possibly now afford to go after being priced out.

 

[oakiecokie]

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Apart from the reduced viewing quality of the extra 13500 seats at Eastlands, if fully used for 30 matches per season at an average of say, £35 per ticket, it gives a potential of just over £14 million revenue per season. Now I have no idea of the cost of this project but I do wonder how MCFC or it’s current paying fans will benefit
Maybe I’ve got my sums wrong on this but the Citihad juggernaut rolls on regardless

Sorry but what does that mean exactly ????

 

[oakiecokie]

complete missed opportunity not having the south stand level one jsut for city fans.

It may make the atmosphere worse, less away fans and still a seperation between city fans either side of the away fans.

Maybe so,but H & S has to be taken into consideration and mark my words that any consultation over any proposed bids,would have to be done with MCC,GMP and the HSE.
They have probably looked at trying to house the away fans elsewhere,but then you have to take into consideration how easy it is to move those away fans onto their coaches.Its so easy at the moment and more controllable.

 

[kbb]

All options were considered. Premier league prefer away fans being in part at ground level (could see changes at Newcastle and Sunderland and explains why OT didn't change as per mooted plans)

Also exits for away fans works best from where they are.

Also away fans above home fans causes spitting/throwing issues etc so this way they can spit on their own!

As for cup games - whilst more tickets available than for league games, the fact that they use 3 tiers for away fans mean their area doesn't extend to right behind the goal any more as it does now.

Huge amounts of thought, planning and consultation gone into this.