Stadium Expansion

Marvin said:
If there's a Tramline to the ground it will be dug up every 5 minutes and buses and cars will not be able to get to the ground along that route

That's going off what's happened to the Trams in the City Centre. Not reliable enough

That's a bit hard, Marvin!

Trams started in 1992, I've been a regular user and the city centre closure is probably only the 2nd or 3rd time that that's happened since then. And as regular users of motorways or City roads round COMS would confirm, roadworks are never necessary, and if they are, the work is finished over a weekend.;0)

The tram idea sounds brilliant to me, and I'm sure they could swing it.
 
Dubai Blue said:
Mental_blue said:
See my previous post re the company I work for.

If a quarter of the people coming on the tram buy 2 or 3 pints coz they aren't driving plus a pie to go with it, then it goes to paying for itself. If Schalke can subsidise the local tranport for fans, why can't we?
Because I guess City would quite like to keep the revenue from the 2 or 3 pints and pie for themselves. Whilst the system in Germany is nice, it's not a necessity. Why should we get free transport? You have to pay to make your own way to the cinema or to a shopping centre. Why should a football stadium be any different?

You may have missed my original post but we were told by the head of Experience that after the schalke game it was decided to look at ways of enhancing the journeys to the stadium. One way they have looked at is to provide free tram travel as part of the cost of the ticket.
 
johnmc said:
Blu KB said:
We dont need a bigger stadium yet, if we are selling out every week then i increasing the size of coms is something we could look at.

To the prospect of potentially moving to another stadium from scratch would be the worst thing to happen to us, were only just attaching some familiarity to coms and leaving their would be bluddy awful.

Once you have a run of sold out games - and i mean a decent run not 2 or 3 games, i mean 2 or 3 seasons then maybe expansion should be considered.

And then Ideally you would go up in smaller jumps rather than going from 48k to 75k. Thats a lot of extra fans to find immediately. We would be better of increasing it by 3 or 4k a time and seeing how that goes. So maybe an end first, and then the other end if it orks out. Not sure if thats feasible with our stadium though.

Have to say that the idea of expanding capacity is foresighted and shows ambition which we should applaud, so to knock it is unhelpful. The extent of expansion is a matter for discussion though.
 
blueyorkie said:
Once you have a run of sold out games - and i mean a decent run not 2 or 3 games, i mean 2 or 3 seasons then maybe expansion should be considered.

And then Ideally you would go up in smaller jumps rather than going from 48k to 75k. Thats a lot of extra fans to find immediately. We would be better of increasing it by 3 or 4k a time and seeing how that goes. So maybe an end first, and then the other end if it orks out. Not sure if thats feasible with our stadium though.

Have to say that the idea of expanding capacity is foresighted and shows ambition which we should applaud, so to knock it is unhelpful. The extent of expansion is a matter for discussion though.[/quote]

Who is knocking it? Surely you should only consider expansion once the demand exceeds supply for a decent period of time.
 
Watchman said:
why is it obssessed.. there are plenty of city /liverpool even aresanl fans who contribute on United forums...its called Banter..or ribbing ...do you get upset when rival supporters sing nasty songs and dont agree with you at games?....honestly ..dont be sooo precious


Fair play but your stats are way off mark.For example you say we only sold 84% of tickets last season, wrong . Capacity is 47500 and our average was 43000 give or take 50 or so. That makes a 90% sales capacity.
You have already been told the only £5 game was Hamburg.
Banter fine but get it right.
BTW would never consider going on a Rag board, I'm just not at all interested in them, so thanks for the compliment!
 
johnmc said:
blueyorkie said:
Once you have a run of sold out games - and i mean a decent run not 2 or 3 games, i mean 2 or 3 seasons then maybe expansion should be considered.

And then Ideally you would go up in smaller jumps rather than going from 48k to 75k. Thats a lot of extra fans to find immediately. We would be better of increasing it by 3 or 4k a time and seeing how that goes. So maybe an end first, and then the other end if it orks out. Not sure if thats feasible with our stadium though.

Have to say that the idea of expanding capacity is foresighted and shows ambition which we should applaud, so to knock it is unhelpful. The extent of expansion is a matter for discussion though.

Who is knocking it? Surely you should only consider expansion once the demand exceeds supply for a decent period of time.[/quote]

Sorry John you miss my point, what i mean is that to expand quickly shows ambition and drive to wait shows lack of nerve and belief.
 
blueyorkie said:
johnmc said:
Have to say that the idea of expanding capacity is foresighted and shows ambition which we should applaud, so to knock it is unhelpful. The extent of expansion is a matter for discussion though.

Who is knocking it? Surely you should only consider expansion once the demand exceeds supply for a decent period of time.

Sorry John you miss my point, what i mean is that to expand quickly shows ambition and drive to wait shows lack of nerve and belief.[/quote]

Fair enough but i would counter by saying going from 48k to 75k is an increase of over 50%. That would show lack of understanding. You don't sign robinho and adebayor and suddenly get 25k extra supporters overnight. It will take years of sucess to do that.
 
Giving City free tram travel would depend on whether the agreement is specifically between the club and the City Council or between the club and GMPTE. If it’s the later, and commercial, then there would be no obligation to do the same deal for the rags. If it’s an agreement with the city council then they wouldn’t have to do the same for rags as they’re based in Trafford.
 
Bluemooner33 said:
Main Road was bigger so why not, there will be alot of cockney rag prawn sandwich boys jumping ship to us when we are at the top, will need the extra seats so us real supporters can get a bastard ticket.

Make them take some kind of basic intelligence aptitude tests at the gate before letting them enter. That should eliminate at least 75% of them.
 
johnmc said:
blueyorkie said:
Who is knocking it? Surely you should only consider expansion once the demand exceeds supply for a decent period of time.

Sorry John you miss my point, what i mean is that to expand quickly shows ambition and drive to wait shows lack of nerve and belief.

Fair enough but i would counter by saying going from 48k to 75k is an increase of over 50%. That would show lack of understanding. You don't sign robinho and adebayor and suddenly get 25k extra supporters overnight. It will take years of sucess to do that.[/quote]

Agree ,thats why I said the extent of expansion was the detail which needs to be sorted out.
 
johnmc said:
Mental_blue said:
So you think season tickets will be reduced?? Not a chance in the world.
So you think they will let us into a UEFA Q/F for a fiver?? Not a chance in the world.
So you think they will put on a free concert for people who were going to buy a shirt anyway?? Not a chance in the world.
So you think they'll beam back a pre-season friendly from Africa and not charge to watch it?? Not a chance in the world.
So you think they'll put friendlies on MCFCTV and not charge for a subscription?? Not a chance in the world.
So you think they'll stick the ticket office indoors so we don't get pissed wet through like we have for the last 20 years?? Not a chance in the world.

Season tickets werent reduced for everyone
A one off to ensure a full house
Not free if you have to buy something to get it really is it
Very good gesture putting the games on the website granted
Thats just common sense putting it indoors

The metro will not be included in any ticket believe me.


I bet you sit in the dark each night not believeing the sun will come up until you see it dont you. Ungrateful chimp.
 
you cannot allow the stadium to fill every week before you expand this makes no business sense.

you should never sell out in any business as this in fact is a missed opurtunity.

I know it is a bit of chicken and egg situation however we need the extra capacity sooner rather than later and if that means we give the visiting club a much larger quota of tickets then great.

the best thing from a atmosphere point of view is a huge away support. and the added bonus any money taken from visiting fans is " new money" into the club.

also a larger capacity would mean greater revenue from eufa cup finals etc and concerts in the summer.

if we expand and need to increase attendances then the powers that be will need to earn their money and be creative .

fill an empty stand with free school kids and we will cement our standing in manchester for years to come. if a school kid comes free for a season the chances are we will have that kid for life.

if we can expand we need to do it asap as the owners seem to be the real deal and think we are going to be very very big and that means 48000 is not big enough.
 
mikeee said:
A mate who works at city has told me the owners have put 400 million aside to expand the stadium to 75,000.

Can't see myself why we would make it that big, but hopefully its true.
we'll need to, matches are selling out left right and centre, and season tickets take up so much of the ground now that for non season ticket holders its a lot harder to get tickets.
 
Good point ref the extending of away fans section, if some how we could have 6000 away fans allocated each game then we have a good case for a 60,000+ stadium. I know WHU will bring around 1200 for the night match on TV but out of 18 games at least 12/13 would bring 6000 fans with them. No more moving ST holders etc and if we were to require seating back from the away section the way the ground is designed we could take back 3000 seats if required.
No use waiting to the "sold out" signs keep going up and people lose interest through lack of getting hold of them.
 
I think that we should wait a year or two for when we are winning trophies and see if demand picks up. Personally i think where i sit in the north stand its a shit atmosphere, you guys in the south stand look like your having a good time however is increasing the stadium capacity going to make the atmosphere worse?
 
I think football is different with regards to 'selling out'. In a supermarket if you sell out of onions the word spreads that the place in question never had any stock left, and thus people go and shop elsewhere. In football a 'sell out' is a sign of success, and any excess, in this case - empty seats, are frowned upon by the footballing community. Sell outs over a long period of time creates demand; the domino effect of people wanting tickets in fear of missing out.

If a stadium is full of empty seats then people are more relaxed about buying, and if they're too relaxed they may not even bother buying at all. If a stadium is full week in week out then people become concerned about missing out and thus become more pro active with their ticket hunt. If you look at United, they were getting 44,000 when they started winning the league. They expanded it after selling out every match for around three seasons, with Government money of course, to 55,000 when they rebuilt the North Stand. When that sold out every match they put another tier on the East Stand (61,000), followed by another tier on the Stretford End (68,000). When that sold out every match they filled in the corners and got up to 76,000. That's a 15 year development plan sustained by continued sell outs and success on the field.

At City a good side and a bit of hope sees us selling out 47,500 and that's without winning anything and a poor top division side sees us getting about 42,000, which is pretty good no matter what anyone says. We need to fill up COMS for three years and build up an excess base of supporters who have not been for years and are finally being lured back in, along with glory hunters and tourists as well, like it or not! Then we can think about putting 6,000 on the South Stand, and when we sell out 53,500 every games for 2-3 years we can put 6,000 on the North Stand as well. So in reality we're not shy off a decade before we're value for a 60,000 seater stadium - going off the successful United model.

Empty seats scare people off, our Cup games are an example of this. There are thousands who don't come because they don't want to sit in a half empty stadium - another domino effect.
 
CITY FOR LIFE said:
Good point ref the extending of away fans section, if some how we could have 6000 away fans allocated each game then we have a good case for a 60,000+ stadium. I know WHU will bring around 1200 for the night match on TV but out of 18 games at least 12/13 would bring 6000 fans with them. No more moving ST holders etc and if we were to require seating back from the away section the way the ground is designed we could take back 3000 seats if required.
No use waiting to the "sold out" signs keep going up and people lose interest through lack of getting hold of them.

also if we do get to be top 4 we would be a must see game for away fans like the swamp now and if they have a good day out they would want to come every year
 
ManCityX said:
I think football is different with regards to 'selling out'. In a supermarket if you sell out of onions the word spreads that the place in question never had any stock left, and thus people go and shop elsewhere. In football a 'sell out' is a sign of success, and any excess, in this case - empty seats, are frowned upon by the footballing community. Sell outs over a long period of time creates demand; the domino effect of people wanting tickets in fear of missing out.

If a stadium is full of empty seats then people are more relaxed about buying, and if they're too relaxed they may not even bother buying at all. If a stadium is full week in week out then people become concerned about missing out and thus become more pro active with their ticket hunt. If you look at United, they were getting 44,000 when they started winning the league. They expanded it after selling out every match for around three seasons, with Government money of course, to 55,000 when they rebuilt the North Stand. When that sold out every match they put another tier on the East Stand (61,000), followed by another tier on the Stretford End (68,000). When that sold out every match they filled in the corners and got up to 76,000. That's a 15 year development plan sustained by continued sell outs and success on the field.

At City a good side and a bit of hope sees us selling out 47,500 and that's without winning anything and a poor top division side sees us getting about 42,000, which is pretty good no matter what anyone says. We need to fill up COMS for three years and build up an excess base of supporters who have not been for years and are finally being lured back in, along with glory hunters and tourists as well, like it or not! Then we can think about putting 6,000 on the South Stand, and when we sell out 53,500 every games for 2-3 years we can put 6,000 on the North Stand as well. So in reality we not shy off a decade before we're value for a 60,000 seater stadium - going off the successful United model.


I just hope when we do increase the capacity that the stadium still looks as good rather than the eye-sore that is the Swamp
 
mancity dan said:
ManCityX said:
I think football is different with regards to 'selling out'. In a supermarket if you sell out of onions the word spreads that the place in question never had any stock left, and thus people go and shop elsewhere. In football a 'sell out' is a sign of success, and any excess, in this case - empty seats, are frowned upon by the footballing community. Sell outs over a long period of time creates demand; the domino effect of people wanting tickets in fear of missing out.

If a stadium is full of empty seats then people are more relaxed about buying, and if they're too relaxed they may not even bother buying at all. If a stadium is full week in week out then people become concerned about missing out and thus become more pro active with their ticket hunt. If you look at United, they were getting 44,000 when they started winning the league. They expanded it after selling out every match for around three seasons, with Government money of course, to 55,000 when they rebuilt the North Stand. When that sold out every match they put another tier on the East Stand (61,000), followed by another tier on the Stretford End (68,000). When that sold out every match they filled in the corners and got up to 76,000. That's a 15 year development plan sustained by continued sell outs and success on the field.

At City a good side and a bit of hope sees us selling out 47,500 and that's without winning anything and a poor top division side sees us getting about 42,000, which is pretty good no matter what anyone says. We need to fill up COMS for three years and build up an excess base of supporters who have not been for years and are finally being lured back in, along with glory hunters and tourists as well, like it or not! Then we can think about putting 6,000 on the South Stand, and when we sell out 53,500 every games for 2-3 years we can put 6,000 on the North Stand as well. So in reality we not shy off a decade before we're value for a 60,000 seater stadium - going off the successful United model.


I just hope when we do increase the capacity that the stadium still looks as good rather than the eye-sore that is the Swamp

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