Stadium Expansion

[Dubai Blue]

So if England won the world cup then only the swamp and wembley are equiped to stage quarter finals as we stand at the minute?

millenium stadium will also hold games

No it won't

 

[johnmc]

So if England won the world cup then only the swamp and wembley are equiped to stage quarter finals as we stand at the minute?

Emirates and millenium stadium will also hold games

So realisitically they are the 4 venues for the quarter finals and I doubt that will change no matter who builds what really. Not saying it is pointless expanding but to do it for the world cup probably is.

 

[BlueT]

So if England won the world cup then only the swamp and wembley are equiped to stage quarter finals as we stand at the minute?

Emirates and millenium stadium will also hold games[/quote

Are You sure the Millenium stadium can stage games in a English World Cup?

 

[Dubai Blue]

Emirates and millenium stadium will also hold games

So realisitically they are the 4 venues for the quarter finals and I doubt that will change no matter who builds what really. Not saying it is pointless expanding but to do it for the world cup probably is.

See my previous post John. There is nothing that states QFs can only be held in 60K+ stadiums. And the Millenium Stadium will definitely not be used, what with it being in a different country.

 

[Gary James]

[quote="Dubai BlueThere is nothing that states QFs can only be held in 60K+ stadiums. [/quote]

I'm absolutely certain this is changing. I believe that all QFs will be held in 60k plus stadia from 2018 (possibly 2014) and, although it's possibly not written down, I'm sure it will happen.

Similarly, UEFA have been tightening up their rules on stadia capable of holding their club based finals. Although COMS staged the 2008 UEFA Cup final I understand its capacity is currently too small to stage future Europa League finals.

I do think increasing the stadium simply for the possibility that the ground 'may' hold a q/f for a World Cup that 'may' be held in England is not the main driving factor (if the Club are seriously looking at increasing the capacity). But staging a QF would add a bit of glamour and would help cement the stadium's place in World football.

 

[johnmc]

So realisitically they are the 4 venues for the quarter finals and I doubt that will change no matter who builds what really. Not saying it is pointless expanding but to do it for the world cup probably is.

See my previous post John. There is nothing that states QFs can only be held in 60K+ stadiums. And the Millenium Stadium will definitely not be used, what with it being in a different country.

You know what your talking about - so do you reckon that the World cup could have any baring on Liverpool's new stadium plans?

 

[bluenova]

Do our owners worry about building stadiums that are too big?

Here's an article from this week about football in the United Arab Emirates. It says that last season average attendences were 2,120 with most stadiums having a capacity of 12-14000 - and that was apparently with most tickets free!

http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news...ng_news&cate_img=145.jpg&cate_rss=news_Sports

I remember seeing an astonishing thread on here a while back about all the construction projects in Abu Dhabi - if we know anything at all it's that they don't worry about things being too big. If part of the attraction of City is that we promote the Abu Dhabi "Brand" worldwide then I doubt they'll skimp on the stadium and do it bit by bit.

ps. Barcelona have on average 25000 empty seats a match and they've been looking at expanding too!

 

[johnmc]

ps. Barcelona have on average 25000 empty seats a match and they've been looking at expanding too!

I have been told, and it might not be true, that despite empty seats at Barca, the majority of them have actually been sold. Season ticket holders pick and choose their matches there.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Surely being a world cup stadium is not that big a deal, and certainly not reason alone to expand your stadium.

You may make a couple of mill and get a little bit of presige, but noone would spend tens or hundreds of millions just for that.

However, the reason Arsenal spent an absolute fortune moving to their new stadium and effectively stopped themselves winning trophies for a number of years, is that for a Champions League club to be self sufficient they need a big capacity and loads of corporate customers.

That's why we are looking at it, I assume.

 

[BlueT]

I wouldn't be suprised if Livpool don't get a bit of financial help. Villa and Forest are also increasing their grounds. Sunderland and Newcastle grounds will be used as well me thinks.

 

[Dyed Petya]

See my previous post John. There is nothing that states QFs can only be held in 60K+ stadiums.

I stand corrected. But there's no chance that we'll get a QF anyway without expansion because they'd go for Old Trafford. A second round match, at a push, would be the best we could hope for.

 

[urmston]

Why can't they decide the stadium when they know which teams are in a certain knock-out match?

The OT Euro 96 semi-final between France and the Czech Republic was hardly a sell out. Ticket touts were begging people to take £45 tickets for £5 a few minutes before the start of the game.

 

[johnmc]

Why can't they decide the stadium when they know which teams are in a certain knock-out match?

The OT Euro 96 semi-final between France and the Czech Republic was hardly a sell out. Ticket touts were begging people to take £45 tickets for £5 a few minutes before the start of the game.

Because there are only 3 or 4 days between matches in tournaments - too much to arrange in that short time

 

[Dyed Petya]

Surely being a world cup stadium is not that big a deal, and certainly not reason alone to expand your stadium.

You may make a couple of mill and get a little bit of presige, but noone would spend tens or hundreds of millions just for that.

However, the reason Arsenal spent an absolute fortune moving to their new stadium and effectively stopped themselves winning trophies for a number of years, is that for a Champions League club to be self sufficient they need a big capacity and loads of corporate customers.

That's why we are looking at it, I assume.

No time to look out the relevant thread, but the City Council invited submissions for the former Super Casino site for a major visitor attraction and there's talk of redeveloping other parts of Sport City and areas in the vicinity in connection with this. Lots of reports in the Manchester business press have suggested our owners will be very intimately involved in this process.

So the aim, in my view, is to make CoMS not only the host stadium for somewhere in the region of 30 MCFC games per year (if we get in Europe and do reasonably OK) but also the natural choice for other major event matches held outside London, including other football matches, rugby and so on. Those games will attract an audience travelling from afar and some of them might be tempted to make a weekend of it, staying on site and using the facilities in the sport/leisure village that, if the MEN business section and Crains are right, we can expect to see around CoMS in the relatively near future.

 

[bluenova]

ps. Barcelona have on average 25000 empty seats a match and they've been looking at expanding too!

I have been told, and it might not be true, that despite empty seats at Barca, the majority of them have actually been sold. Season ticket holders pick and choose their matches there.

I think you might be right John - they do apparently have many more S/T holders than their average attendence.

But I was really making a point about empty seats - I can't find many people complaining that the Nou Camp was a bit rubbish with 25000 empty seats. Even if we have spare capacity we'll still have the third best attendance in the country and so long as the empty seats are at the back it won't feel hugely different.

Plus, you'd hope a little bit of supply and demand economics would come into play with reductions (maybe temporary ones) in seat prices till we could fill the stadium. With a team competing for honours I suspect it wouldn't take much of a cut to tempt thousands more to start attending regularly. Although if you're reading Mr Cook I was a bit disappointed when I first had to pay over £10 for a ticket ;)

 

[ssg2]

millenium stadium will also hold games

No it won't

Yes it will, it has been included in the 2018 proposal as has twickenham.
Don't forget St James park and the new liverpool ground.

 

[johnmc]

So the aim, in my view, is to make CoMS not only the host stadium for somewhere in the region of 30 MCFC games per year (if we get in Europe and do reasonably OK) but also the natural choice for other major event matches held outside London, including other football matches, rugby and so on. Those games will attract an audience travelling from afar and some of them might be tempted to make a weekend of it, staying on site and using the facilities in the sport/leisure village that, if the MEN business section and Crains are right, we can expect to see around CoMS in the relatively near future.

Rather rugby wasnt played at CoMs - silly egg chasers

 

[Dubai Blue]

No it won't

Yes it will, it has been included in the 2018 proposal as has twickenham.
Don't forget St James park and the new liverpool ground.

The Millenium Stadium will NOT be used; I can guarantee that. The current 16 applicant host cities are Birmingham, Bristol, Derby, Hull, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, London, Manchester, Milton Keynes, Newcastle, Nottingham, Plymouth, Portsmouth, Sheffield and Sunderland. This is an English bid and will only include stadiums in England.

Tiwckenham is unlikely for two reasons: You can't have 3 stadiums in one city and the egg chasers have always been opposed to any plans to use Twickenham for football.

 

[ssg2]

Yes it will, it has been included in the 2018 proposal as has twickenham.
Don't forget St James park and the new liverpool ground.

The Millenium Stadium will NOT be used; I can guarantee that. The current 16 applicant host cities are Birmingham, Bristol, Derby, Hull, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, London, Manchester, Milton Keynes, Newcastle, Nottingham, Plymouth, Portsmouth, Sheffield and Sunderland.

Tiwckenham is unlikely for two reasons: You can't have 3 stadiums in one city and the egg chasers have always been opposed to any plans to use Twickenham for football.

I've got a copy of the formal 2018 proposal on my desk here and the millenium stadium and twickenham are both in first draft, whether they are chosen is a different matter but they were/are part of the bid.

EDIT: I stand corrected, the millenium stadium is no longer part of the bid.

 

[dave_blue12]

No it won't

Yes it will, it has been included in the 2018 proposal as has twickenham.
Don't forget St James park and the new liverpool ground.

That's hysterical !

Much like yourselves the other member of the LBO* club haven't got a pot to piss in so there will be no new stadium for the bin dippers.

*LBO = Leveraged Buy Out = Massive debts !