Stadium Expansion

The point is though, ticket sales is not where it's at. Worrying about revenue from ticket sales is completely missing the point and the much bigger opportunities.

If you look at United - who despite all their sins, do actually manage to win the odd thing and to generate profit - their matchday revenue has been on a steady decline for years. It is now 15% lower in cash terms than it was 4 years ago. Lower still in real terms.

On the other hand, their revenues from commercial activities and from broadcasting have steadily increased, and in the case of commercial, nearly doubled over the same period.

In 2009, matchday revenue including merchandising, catering and everything that goes with it generated 49% of their income. In 2012 it's 35%. And it's a steady decline. In 2013 it will be 30%.

My point is this: For us to succeed as a business, as a winning football club, and as a vehicle to promote Abu Dhabi, we have to grow our brand on the world stage. In that regard, it doesn't matter where on earth we are located. We could have been in Swansea and it wouldn't matter. Worrying about your ticketing revenue is missing the point because that's not where your profits will come from, no matter who or where you are.

Anything that makes us more attractive to watch and creates interest around the globe, should be our focus. An 80,000 seater stadium, jam packed full and rocking every week would certainly help that, and if we can stimulate that with cheap tickets, its a small price to pay imho.
 
I think 80,000 is a bit ambitious at this stage, but 60,000 would be nice. Price tickets at £28-30 instead of £40 and bam! 60,000 blues all having a top time. Lovely.<br /><br />-- Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:14 pm --<br /><br />
omcfc said:
I think 80,000 is a bit ambitious at this stage, but 60,000 would be nice. Price tickets at £28-30 instead of £40 and bam! 60,000 blues all having a top time. Lovely.

Of course I realise it won't happen. But a man can dream...
 
We are a club not afraid to innovate and have done before so the whole lower ticket prices/bigger attendance isn't IMPOSSIBLE but we have new people in charge now and no idea how they operate. Who determines these things? Would it be Soriano or Glick? Glick had some very innovative ideas about ticket prices at Derby, they introduced a demand-based pricing plan (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18424590" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18424590</a>). Imagine the good will City could get if they introduced a "bringing the working class back to football" scheme. We are the people's club of Manchester and going the same way as our neighbours would be tragic... pubs wouldn't mind though as they'd have a lot more City fans.
 
Many of us in EL2 won't want to be in "corporate" (expensive) seats. We were transplanted here with our season tickets from the Kippax and lets be honest the Kippax was the traditional working class area of the ground. I was jammy and got a front row seat, just by the way the Kippax was split to fit into the East stand. I love my seat and the people round me. I can cope with a small price rise, but not if they double it as it becomes an exclusive area of the ground. I do want stadium expansion, executive areas to help with matchday revenue are fine, just don't impose it on the ordinary fan who've supported the club through thick and a lot of thin. Surely the club can work out a way to make the posh bits in the new expanded areas of the ground.
 
LoveCity said:
We are a club not afraid to innovate and have done before so the whole lower ticket prices/bigger attendance isn't IMPOSSIBLE but we have new people in charge now and no idea how they operate. Who determines these things? Would it be Soriano or Glick? Glick had some very innovative ideas about ticket prices at Derby, they introduced a demand-based pricing plan (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18424590" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18424590</a>). Imagine the good will City could get if they introduced a "bringing the working class back to football" scheme. We are the people's club of Manchester and going the same way as our neighbours would be tragic... pubs wouldn't mind though as they'd have a lot more City fans.


Outgoing chief executive Tom Glick said the club are confident the scheme will "help identify the best price for tickets and provide fans with more price options, flexibility and the best value for their money.

He added: "We believe we will entice new fans to Pride Park as well as offering more options to existing supporters whilst re-engaging with those supporters who haven't attended matches as much as they would have wished in the last few years."

It'll never happen here though eh?

;-)
 
Chippy_boy said:
The point is though, ticket sales is not where it's at. Worrying about revenue from ticket sales is completely missing the point and the much bigger opportunities.

If you look at United - who despite all their sins, do actually manage to win the odd thing and to generate profit - their matchday revenue has been on a steady decline for years. It is now 15% lower in cash terms than it was 4 years ago. Lower still in real terms.

On the other hand, their revenues from commercial activities and from broadcasting have steadily increased, and in the case of commercial, nearly doubled over the same period.

In 2009, matchday revenue including merchandising, catering and everything that goes with it generated 49% of their income. In 2012 it's 35%. And it's a steady decline. In 2013 it will be 30%.

My point is this: For us to succeed as a business, as a winning football club, and as a vehicle to promote Abu Dhabi, we have to grow our brand on the world stage. In that regard, it doesn't matter where on earth we are located. We could have been in Swansea and it wouldn't matter. Worrying about your ticketing revenue is missing the point because that's not where your profits will come from, no matter who or where you are.

Anything that makes us more attractive to watch and creates interest around the globe, should be our focus. An 80,000 seater stadium, jam packed full and rocking every week would certainly help that, and if we can stimulate that with cheap tickets, its a small price to pay imho.

Sounds good to me. An iconic stadium will build global interest in the club.
 
I keep on hearing from all manner of people that we will be 'blown away' by the new design.

Well I'm sorry but that sort of statement means it has to be more wowtastic than

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<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/15/british-architect-design-japan-stadium" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/no ... an-stadium</a>

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<a class="postlink" href="http://www.portal2014.org.br/noticias/9157/ARENA+PERNAMBUCO+TERA+FACHADA+VAZADA+CONFIRA+NOVAS+IMAGENS.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.portal2014.org.br/noticias/9 ... AGENS.html</a>

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<a class="postlink" href="http://en.fc-zenit.ru/stadium/new/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.fc-zenit.ru/stadium/new/</a>
 
fbloke said:
I keep on hearing from all manner of people that we will be 'blown away' by the new design.

Well I'm sorry but that sort of statement means it has to be more wowtastic than

2z6z11x.png


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/15/british-architect-design-japan-stadium" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/no ... an-stadium</a>

2njm2c7.png


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.portal2014.org.br/noticias/9157/ARENA+PERNAMBUCO+TERA+FACHADA+VAZADA+CONFIRA+NOVAS+IMAGENS.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.portal2014.org.br/noticias/9 ... AGENS.html</a>

etxqi9.png


<a class="postlink" href="http://en.fc-zenit.ru/stadium/new/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.fc-zenit.ru/stadium/new/</a>


The last one is like the Etihad with new end's
 
Chippy_boy said:
The point is though, ticket sales is not where it's at. Worrying about revenue from ticket sales is completely missing the point and the much bigger opportunities.

If you look at United - who despite all their sins, do actually manage to win the odd thing and to generate profit - their matchday revenue has been on a steady decline for years. It is now 15% lower in cash terms than it was 4 years ago. Lower still in real terms.

On the other hand, their revenues from commercial activities and from broadcasting have steadily increased, and in the case of commercial, nearly doubled over the same period.

In 2009, matchday revenue including merchandising, catering and everything that goes with it generated 49% of their income. In 2012 it's 35%. And it's a steady decline. In 2013 it will be 30%.

My point is this: For us to succeed as a business, as a winning football club, and as a vehicle to promote Abu Dhabi, we have to grow our brand on the world stage. In that regard, it doesn't matter where on earth we are located. We could have been in Swansea and it wouldn't matter. Worrying about your ticketing revenue is missing the point because that's not where your profits will come from, no matter who or where you are.

Anything that makes us more attractive to watch and creates interest around the globe, should be our focus. An 80,000 seater stadium, jam packed full and rocking every week would certainly help that, and if we can stimulate that with cheap tickets, its a small price to pay imho.
1) I thought we were talking 60k
2) And it has been suggested that the club are looking to "Upgrade" Level 2 so it becomes something like a Club Wembley targeting wealthy fans.

And myself and others have argued that in Manchester it would be very difficult to attract this type of fan because of the nature of manchester and the surrounding area

I agree that Match Day Revenues are insiginficant compared to the gigantic sponsorships that Utd have secured eg Chevrolet

So it seems that what the club is suggesting is a little impractical and unlikely to succeed.

In an expanded stadium there must be room for all the fans, but setting aside such a large part of the stadium to such a small target pool looks like a bad plan

Hopefully its not the plan and it's Chinese whisper distortion
 

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