As soon as Luke threw the lightsaber over his shoulder I knew this film was going to miss the mark and be quite forgettable.
SConsidering that a new hope starts a mere few hours after Rogue One ends
Yeah its literally the next scene.It's not even that long is it? R1 ends with Vader boarding Leia's ship, which is almost literally the first scene of ANH.
Not quite. End of R1 Vader enters the ship that Leia WAS on. She's already jettisoned on the smaller ship. Remember Vader standing on the empty docking bay at the very end? Between R1 and ANH Vaders ship must've caught up with Leias new ship then it goes into ANH where we see it being docked into Vaders battlecruiser or whatever it was. It was in this time between R1 and ANH that Leias message was put into r2d2It's not even that long is it? R1 ends with Vader boarding Leia's ship, which is almost literally the first scene of ANH.
It's not even that long is it? R1 ends with Vader boarding Leia's ship, which is almost literally the first scene of ANH.
It will take a few viewings fellow Blues to see what RJ was doing in this film. You have to move away from the original storyline and that is what was being told, along with the theme of failure.
I left the cinema feeling really let down by it along with my 12 year old son who is into Star Wars and plays the Old Republic online game that revolves around the SW EU. The film cannot tap into those fans that need the franchise to follow the EU because that is not what they want to achieve and would not bring onboard new fans to the SW franchise.
The Snoke killing seemed like WTF but watching* the film back it opens up other avenues. Snokes backstory will be told but it wasnt relevant in TLJ because if Snoke comes out with this big storyline to Rey...she would basically just go ‘Who’. The story here us that Ren spots his opportunity to kill his master as he is pre-occupied concenrating on Rey - basically sticking to sith tradition that when the apprentice sees weakness he takes his masters place. Ren being characyer assasinated by Snoke prior to this scene is the build up to Rens thoughts towards Snoke.
Snokes line though that ‘he can never be betrayed’ is very strong because this obviously leans towards he has been betrayed before but was never truly killed - links to plagueis etc etc.
Watch it again and go into it open minded. Watched it about 4 times after seeing at the cinema and my mind was changed. There are lots of hidden items in the film that show that a backstory is needed and can be told but it also now allows RJ to go in a new direction with his trilogy when it starts filming
My problem with it is that we're now going into the final act without a proper antagonist. Films like these need a threat against which the protagonists are struggling (original trilogy had Vader, and then stepped it up with the Emperor in the final act). Snoke was that threat because he was mysterious, seemed very powerful, etc. Now he's gone we're left with Kylo Ren, whom we already know is very fallible, quite weak and has some 'good' in him, and Hux, who went from being a slightly psychopathic Nazi in TFA to a slapstick moron in TLJ. I can't see where the threat will come from in Episode IX (although I wouldn't put it past them introducing yet another new character).The Snoke killing seemed like WTF but watching* the film back it opens up other avenues.
Snoke to return and go after Kylo. Rey saves Kylo, Kylo returns to light side of the force and teams with Rey to fight Snoke and the Knights of Ren. Kylo to either become good completely, or betray Rey at the last minute, Rey kills Kylo. Balance restored.
In ANH Vader picks some one up and chokes them to death just because he didnt by start throwing lightsaber moves out I think it can flow with R1Not quite. End of R1 Vader enters the ship that Leia WAS on. She's already jettisoned on the smaller ship. Remember Vader standing on the empty docking bay at the very end? Between R1 and ANH Vaders ship must've caught up with Leias new ship then it goes into ANH where we see it being docked into Vaders battlecruiser or whatever it was. It was in this time between R1 and ANH that Leias message was put into r2d2
Edit....actually she put the plans into r2 when Vaders men were " tearing the ship apart". Neverthless im pretty sure she jumped ship at the end of r1
In ANH Vader picks some one up and chokes them to death just because he didnt by start throwing lightsaber moves out I think it can flow with R1
I was reply to someone saying Rogue 1 final scene goes immediately into New Hope opening scene. Which it doesn't.In ANH Vader picks some one up and chokes them to death just because he didnt by start throwing lightsaber moves out I think it can flow with R1
Actually watch them back again. The Vader scene in Rogue One is so out of kilter with a New Hope.
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Non withstanding the fact that in Rogue One Vader force grabs and throws everyone and everything, aside from the actual Death Star plans held in old mates hand. Mustn't have been that important after all...
According to canon ANH is about 10 mins after R1
If you take tbe fact the plans have just been stolen and are not yet on the Yarvin and the empire trying to prevent them getting to the Febel ship, then Vaders end scene being violent seems completely in kilter with his then calmer demeaner once the ship is captured and plans apparently secured.
According to canon ANH is about 10 mins after R1
If you take tbe fact the plans have just been stolen and are not yet on the Tantive and the empire trying to prevent them getting to the Rebel ship, then Vaders end scene being violent seems completely in kilter with his then calmer demeaner once the ship is captured and plans apparently secured.
Why didn't he force grab the plans from the guys hand? He does it to their guns (in fact force grabs a heap of guns), why is holding plans any different?
Lazy storytelling, thats why. Due to shoehorning in a scene purely for fan service.
Because this was a prequel written after ANH and thus that cannot happen or it would put the timeline and story out of kilter.
Vader arives as they are leaving with the plans to lead the ending of tge film into the begining of ANH so necessary to link the films, would have been stupid to not have it.
No. It would be stupid to shoehorn a scene where he literally has the plans in his grasp and for whatever reason does not use the force to grab them after literally showing the audience that he can just do that!
You can't have it both ways. You can't justify his lightsaber wielding "badass-ery" saying he is angry and desperate to get the plans, and then excuse him for not actually doing it when he has the chance. They're literally right there! Why go on a rampage and then not actually secure them? That's why the scene is so disjointed.
There could have been a myriad of ways of having a Vader cameo at the end of Rogue One to segue into a New Hope. Having the scene that they chose completely betrays the tone set at the start of a New Hope, and moreover is completely flawed from a basic storytelling premise as it doesn't add up.