Stefan Savic

[Marvin]

Personally ,I think Boyata should be given a good number of games for us this season and not loaned out. Slavic will have been checked out as well so either our scouts are shit because they did not go for the great English player Jones ...?.The player who upon signing for United becomes the captain of The England under 21,s ...why..? . [he plays for united ] Do people always think that exhorbitant fees equal quality players.South American players go for relatively small fees to Spain,Portugal or Italy.Common language,climate ,tax and immigration being strong incentives. Then premier league clubs often move in for them . Compared to English players they often have superior technical ability and are cheaper. United and Liverpool have paid over the top for English players so far, lets see how it pans out this coming season . And we have not finished spending yet, so give our signings the benefit of the doubt before discarding them cos they don,t cost enough.

Very fair comment regarding the players potential - but will he get the opportunity of realising it? That's my doubt

 

[Akira]

Is it just me or do they look alike? Savic shares the same 60s/70s look.

 

[Neville Kneville]

If he's goods enough to compete with lescott, and toure is going to be sold, he is a good signing. If he's bought for the future and blocks boyatas progress then I see no point in him .

Will reserve judgement until I see him. I do feel we need a centre half but only a 'top liner'.

COMPETE WITH LESCOTT ???!!!!! I was rather hoping for someone better, otherwise we're not moving forward.
Does anyone seriously think Lescott is World Class or can take us to the next level?
Dont give me this crud about 'best defence last year'. We played with six defenders and didnt score enough goals because of it. We have to find a way of only having to play ONE holding midfireld player, and only playing Barry in the early rounds of the League Cup! ....................

You think we played Barry and De Jong to cover a weak back line?

I don't think so. Barry was in the team to retain and pass the ball. When we lose the ball, his lack of pace means he's not that effective as a defensive midfielder. He's described as defensive because he plays in a deep role, but I think of him more as a quarter-back dictating the flow of our game.

Lescott has proved you wrong, and you'd be better off taking the blinkers off. We all call things wrong, but most of us will admit it when we do, or at the very least stop making the same silly claims

-- Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:50 am --

What was the point of Boateng then? No point buying central defenders because like Boateng they wont play

Congrats Marvin, you've shot into the top 10 most ridiculous posts in this thread, and if you've read the bobbins in this thread you'll know thats quite an achievement

I am not commenting on his ability, but at the log jam of defenders we have at the club. We are in danger of losing an outstanding defender in Boateng because he can't play in his favoured position, and now were are linked with another defender.

Only makes sense if we are selling players. And I wouldn't dismantle the best defence in the Premiership

Barry is there mainly as a defensive midfielder, slightly different to DeJong, more a game reader than an out & out tackler & as a cog in the team to help the other bits function as they should. It's an often unseen role but a very important one. He spots potential danger & stops it before it starts, using his brains rather than pace. The reason he plays for us & for England, in spite of his obvious deficiencies is because he's the best at doing that job.

If there was someone younger, fitter, faster & better at it than Barry they would play instead but they are few & far between. that's why Gerrard was keen to get him to Liverpool. Milner could become that player but has to learn to think like Barry does.

 

[Marvin]

COMPETE WITH LESCOTT ???!!!!! I was rather hoping for someone better, otherwise we're not moving forward.
Does anyone seriously think Lescott is World Class or can take us to the next level?
Dont give me this crud about 'best defence last year'. We played with six defenders and didnt score enough goals because of it. We have to find a way of only having to play ONE holding midfireld player, and only playing Barry in the early rounds of the League Cup! ....................

You think we played Barry and De Jong to cover a weak back line?

I don't think so. Barry was in the team to retain and pass the ball. When we lose the ball, his lack of pace means he's not that effective as a defensive midfielder. He's described as defensive because he plays in a deep role, but I think of him more as a quarter-back dictating the flow of our game.

Lescott has proved you wrong, and you'd be better off taking the blinkers off. We all call things wrong, but most of us will admit it when we do, or at the very least stop making the same silly claims

-- Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:50 am --

Congrats Marvin, you've shot into the top 10 most ridiculous posts in this thread, and if you've read the bobbins in this thread you'll know thats quite an achievement

I am not commenting on his ability, but at the log jam of defenders we have at the club. We are in danger of losing an outstanding defender in Boateng because he can't play in his favoured position, and now were are linked with another defender.

Only makes sense if we are selling players. And I wouldn't dismantle the best defence in the Premiership

Barry is there mainly as a defensive midfielder, slightly different to DeJong, more a game reader than an out & out tackler & as a cog in the team to help the other bits function as they should. It's an often unseen role but a very important one. He spots potential danger & stops it before it starts, using his brains rather than pace. The reason he plays for us & for England, in spite of his obvious deficiencies is because he's the best at doing that job.

If there was someone younger, fitter, faster & better at it than Barry they would play instead but they are few & far between. that's why Gerrard was keen to get him to Liverpool. Milner could become that player but has to learn to think like Barry does.

I am a big fan of Milner and think he was a bit unlucky not to play more games. Milner's game is quite different to Barry's though. He's a much more energetic and driving player who I'd liken to gerrard

 

[Akira]

I thought this thread was about Savic signing on. What's with the laundry about Barry & Milner?

 

[neil jung]

Scouting report from Tor-Kristian Karlsen on twitter

stefan savic/man city: very interesting centre back, seen him several times this year. calm, cultured, never stresses when under pressure. good passer of the ball, mobile, reasonably quick. still very young, not extremely dominant but it'll come

 

[ono]

If he's goods enough to compete with lescott, and toure is going to be sold, he is a good signing. If he's bought for the future and blocks boyatas progress then I see no point in him .

Will reserve judgement until I see him. I do feel we need a centre half but only a 'top liner'.

COMPETE WITH LESCOTT ???!!!!! I was rather hoping for someone better, otherwise we're not moving forward.
Does anyone seriously think Lescott is World Class or can take us to the next level?
Dont give me this crud about 'best defence last year'. We played with six defenders and didnt score enough goals because of it. We have to find a way of only having to play ONE holding midfireld player, and only playing Barry in the early rounds of the League Cup! ....................

Give your head a wobble. We finished 3rd, and we won the FA CUP. We don't need many drastic changes. Changing a successful defensive pairing, purely for the sake of it is pretty fucking stupid considering we kept around 30 clean sheets.

 

[okstate99]

If he's goods enough to compete with lescott, and toure is going to be sold, he is a good signing. If he's bought for the future and blocks boyatas progress then I see no point in him .

Will reserve judgement until I see him. I do feel we need a centre half but only a 'top liner'.

COMPETE WITH LESCOTT ???!!!!! I was rather hoping for someone better, otherwise we're not moving forward.
Does anyone seriously think Lescott is World Class or can take us to the next level?
Dont give me this crud about 'best defence last year'. We played with six defenders and didnt score enough goals because of it. We have to find a way of only having to play ONE holding midfireld player, and only playing Barry in the early rounds of the League Cup! ....................

Give your head a wobble. We finished 3rd, and we won the FA CUP. We don't need many drastic changes. Changing a successful defensive pairing, purely for the sake of it is pretty fucking stupid considering we kept around 30 clean sheets.

Dont let facts get in the way of his opinion.

 

[Cityfan]

COMPETE WITH LESCOTT ???!!!!! I was rather hoping for someone better, otherwise we're not moving forward.
Does anyone seriously think Lescott is World Class or can take us to the next level?

If he can compete with Lescott at his age he may well be outstanding in two years and definately capable of moving us on a level. In the mean time Joleon is doing a pretty good job World class centre backs don't grow on trees we may be able to pick one up who can pass a bit better but doesn't defend as well(in fact we have one IMO in Kolo) but somone who defends as well and is a better ball player is not easy to find and their club may not want to release htem.

 

[Any1aBlue]

I thought this thread was about Savic signing on. What's with the laundry about Barry & Milner?

The 'laundry about Milner & Barry' is because some folks still don't understand why we didnt challenge for the Prem League last Season - we didnt score enough goals, pure and simple.
The reason? Mancini doesnt trust Lescott or Toure enough to play only one holding midfield player. Therefore we have six defensive players and only four offensive ones. If we buy a better CB Mancini has the option of playing only one holding midfield player and, therefore, five offensive ones = more goals = more excitement = more points.

All im asking, is if this Savic is better than Lescott? If not, then we're not moving forward are we?
Im very surprised people here aren't admitting Lescott is purely an average defender, no more, no less................

 

[Jumanji]

All im asking, is if this Savic is better than Lescott? If not, then we're not moving forward are we?

How are we not moving forward if a 19 year old already has the gonads the challenge Lescott who's 29 next month.

Clearly our team thinks Savic or Boyata can become world class or we wouldn't buy a youngster like this who's highly rated just for fringe.

Sometimes we as fans it seems have become extremely greedy in only wanting the biggest names, instead of trusting our management. I prefer signings like this anyway because they have something to prove and come with lots of potential. Not to mention, he's already a good defender in his own right.

 

[Any1aBlue]

COMPETE WITH LESCOTT ???!!!!! I was rather hoping for someone better, otherwise we're not moving forward.
Does anyone seriously think Lescott is World Class or can take us to the next level?
Dont give me this crud about 'best defence last year'. We played with six defenders and didnt score enough goals because of it. We have to find a way of only having to play ONE holding midfireld player, and only playing Barry in the early rounds of the League Cup! ....................

Give your head a wobble. We finished 3rd, and we won the FA CUP. We don't need many drastic changes. Changing a successful defensive pairing, purely for the sake of it is pretty fucking stupid considering we kept around 30 clean sheets.

Dont let facts get in the way of his opinion.

Hopefully that isnt good enough for the management or owners............if we'd scored more goals we could have won the league. Why are you still aiming for second best? Chelsea and Utd are making big changes, they arent standing still - and wouldnt have Barry or Lescott in their teams.................we must look at things dispassionately and analise why we didnt score enough goals and were so far behind a pretty average Utd team that dont play with TWO holding MF players!
3RD isnt good enough for me - and I hope not for the City management either.

 

[Jumanji]

Chelsea and Utd are making big changes, they arent standing still

We've made massive changes.

3RD isnt good enough for me - and I hope not for the City management either.

Plastic?

 

[Bulldoglikeapproach]

Give your head a wobble. We finished 3rd, and we won the FA CUP. We don't need many drastic changes. Changing a successful defensive pairing, purely for the sake of it is pretty fucking stupid considering we kept around 30 clean sheets.

Dont let facts get in the way of his opinion.

Hopefully that isnt good enough for the management or owners............if we'd scored more goals we could have won the league. Why are you still aiming for second best? Chelsea and Utd are making big changes, they arent standing still - and wouldnt have Barry or Lescott in their teams.................we must look at things dispassionately and analise why we didnt score enough goals and were so far behind a pretty average Utd team that dont play with TWO holding MF players!

Personally, I would rather buy the next up-and-comers for 7 mill as opposed to waiting for them to become the next thing and pay 30 mill for them.

3RD isnt good enough for me - and I hope not for the City management either.

I know you are trying to sound ambitious here but youre coming off sounding like a spoilt brat.

 

[TTS]

I thought this thread was about Savic signing on. What's with the laundry about Barry & Milner?

The 'laundry about Milner & Barry' is because some folks still don't understand why we didnt challenge for the Prem League last Season - we didnt score enough goals, pure and simple.
The reason? Mancini doesnt trust Lescott or Toure enough to play only one holding midfield player. Therefore we have six defensive players and only four offensive ones. If we buy a better CB Mancini has the option of playing only one holding midfield player and, therefore, five offensive ones = more goals = more excitement = more points.

All im asking, is if this Savic is better than Lescott? If not, then we're not moving forward are we?
Im very surprised people here aren't admitting Lescott is purely an average defender, no more, no less................

It's called a "4-2-3-1" formation, all the rage these days.

 

[Any1aBlue]

COMPETE WITH LESCOTT ???!!!!! I was rather hoping for someone better, otherwise we're not moving forward.
Does anyone seriously think Lescott is World Class or can take us to the next level?
Dont give me this crud about 'best defence last year'. We played with six defenders and didnt score enough goals because of it. We have to find a way of only having to play ONE holding midfireld player, and only playing Barry in the early rounds of the League Cup! ....................

Give your head a wobble. We finished 3rd, and we won the FA CUP. We don't need many drastic changes. Changing a successful defensive pairing, purely for the sake of it is pretty fucking stupid considering we kept around 30 clean sheets.

Dont let facts get in the way of his opinion.

Hopefully that isnt good enough for the management or owners............if we'd scored more goals we could have won the league. Why are you still aiming for second best? Chelsea and Utd are making big changes, they arent standing still - and wouldnt have Barry or Lescott in their teams.................we must look at things dispassionately and analise why we didnt score enough goals and were so far behind a pretty average Utd team that dont play with TWO holding MF players!
3RD isnt good enough for me - and I hope not for the City management either.

 

[Monkfish]

Amusingly ANY1aBLUE praises Uniteds 'massive' changes, including paying near 20m for a young central defender who has absolutely no chance of being first choice in the near future. However when City buy a young central defender who probably has no chance of being first choice this season it isnt good enough.

Changed my mind. Its not amusing.

 

[Any1aBlue]

I thought this thread was about Savic signing on. What's with the laundry about Barry & Milner?

The 'laundry about Milner & Barry' is because some folks still don't understand why we didnt challenge for the Prem League last Season - we didnt score enough goals, pure and simple.
The reason? Mancini doesnt trust Lescott or Toure enough to play only one holding midfield player. Therefore we have six defensive players and only four offensive ones. If we buy a better CB Mancini has the option of playing only one holding midfield player and, therefore, five offensive ones = more goals = more excitement = more points.

All im asking, is if this Savic is better than Lescott? If not, then we're not moving forward are we?
Im very surprised people here aren't admitting Lescott is purely an average defender, no more, no less................

It's called a "4-2-3-1" formation, all the rage these days.

Is it ??!! Who else of the top teams plays that? Real Madrid - but then they have the best four attacking players. The top two Champ League sides didn't......................Maybe ok IF we have the best four forwards available? Im not sure Nasri is one of those either. Im worried we wont score enough again next year.
Its a sensible point Im making, worthy of discussion and not mindless soundbites in return - christ, some people on this site are wanting to discuss how to cook a bleedin steak!

 

[Jumanji]

Hopefully that isnt good enough for the management or owners............if we'd scored more goals we could have won the league. Why are you still aiming for second best?

Being sensible isn't aiming for second best. Building a dynasty of hungry players takes a bit of time. No one's asking you to wait as long as some of us have been for success but I'd be willing to wait a couple of years for a team that CLICKS. I mean actually clicks in the manner that players know each others game and can actually slaughter the best of teams, consistently.

What does scoring more goals have to do with a very promising defender anyway? I think he'll eclipse Lescott and make his own name for himself.

we didnt score enough goals and were so far behind a pretty average Utd team that dont play with TWO holding MF players!
3RD isnt good enough for me - and I hope not for the City management either.

Well we didn't score enough goals because we were cautious about actually making our targets. We weren't going for the all out attack only to get scored on plenty of times at at home a la Tottenham.

By the way, we never played with two holding MF players. Barry was a box to boxer. Just because he knows how to defend doesn't make him a holding MF. Yaya will probably take his place.

We're clearly after creative players up top anyways, so what do you have left to argue, mate?

 

[Cityfan]

Im very surprised people here aren't admitting Lescott is purely an average defender, no more, no less................

Rather depends on what you mean by average. Average for the top four probably, average for the premier league no way. Use of the ball is a little limited by the very best standards but a rock in defense. Kept Everton up in fifth as one of their top players and now reliable in our side and solidly in the England squad.