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Marklr said:
To be honest, though, mate, I know a fair few people that are unvaccinated, and I don't give them shit. As long as they're not spreading dis-info online. Haha.
They tend to have the usual suspect views too. Farage's people. They LOVE lies.
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Funny you should say that. I know of someone who is a very successful businessman with medical and legal qualifications who is very prominent in the anti-vax movement. Apparently he switched allegiance from the Tories to Reform in the last election.
 
we-r-the-big-4 said:
How can I put those others at risk.

Are you suggesting their vaccination does not work?

That seems unlikely.

Please continue this privately if you wish to show me how the risk for the community element works.. those that are fully Vaccinated..

If you wish.
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Some people can't get vaccinated and yeah, the less people that were vaccinated, the more it spread. Vaccination REDUCES the chances of transmission.
While most people were doing the right thing, you were thinking "fuck it..I'll leave it to them to protect me and others".

"How vaccines work​

Vaccines teach your immune system how to create antibodies that protect you from diseases.

It's much safer for your immune system to learn this through vaccination than by catching the diseases and treating them.

Once a vaccine has taught your immune system how to fight a disease, it can often protect you for many years.

Having a vaccine also benefits your whole community through "herd immunity".

If enough people are vaccinated, it's harder for the disease to spread to those people who cannot have vaccines. For example, people who are ill or have a weakened immune system.

By making sure your own vaccinations are up-to-date, you can help protect loved ones who may be vulnerable to infectious diseases."

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Vaccines

Vaccines are the most effective way to prevent infectious diseases. This page explains why vaccines are safe to use and how they help protect against potentially serious illness.
www.nidirect.gov.uk www.nidirect.gov.uk
 
west didsblue said:
Funny you should say that. I know of someone who is a very successful businessman with medical and legal qualifications who is very prominent in the anti-vax movement. Apparently he switched allegiance from the Tories to Reform in the last election.
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One of Reform's policies they were promising was a "vaccine inquiry".
A complete lie and they KNOW it. They know there will NEVER be any inquiry into the vaccines as it's already known that they've been safe and effective in fighting COVID. The science is in. The results are known.
 
Marklr said:
One of Reform's policies they were promising was a "vaccine inquiry".
A complete lie and they KNOW it. They know there will NEVER be any inquiry into the vaccines as it's already known that they've been safe and effective in fighting COVID. The science is in. The results are known.
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Yeah that will be the reason. He’s involved in the quasi scientific “People’s vaccine enquiry”.
 
Marklr said:
Some people can't get vaccinated and yeah, the less people that were vaccinated, the more it spread. Vaccination REDUCES the chances of transmission.
While most people were doing the right thing, you were thinking "fuck it..I'll leave it to them to protect me and others".

"How vaccines work​

Vaccines teach your immune system how to create antibodies that protect you from diseases.

It's much safer for your immune system to learn this through vaccination than by catching the diseases and treating them.

Once a vaccine has taught your immune system how to fight a disease, it can often protect you for many years.

Having a vaccine also benefits your whole community through "herd immunity".

If enough people are vaccinated, it's harder for the disease to spread to those people who cannot have vaccines. For example, people who are ill or have a weakened immune system.

By making sure your own vaccinations are up-to-date, you can help protect loved ones who may be vulnerable to infectious diseases."

​

Vaccines

Vaccines are the most effective way to prevent infectious diseases. This page explains why vaccines are safe to use and how they help protect against potentially serious illness.
www.nidirect.gov.uk www.nidirect.gov.uk
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Kind of obvious you’d have thought… unless you’re a selfish fool!
 
Marklr said:
Some people can't get vaccinated and yeah, the less people that were vaccinated, the more it spread. Vaccination REDUCES the chances of transmission.
While most people were doing the right thing, you were thinking "fuck it..I'll leave it to them to protect me and others".

"How vaccines work​

Vaccines teach your immune system how to create antibodies that protect you.

As I said.. I had the true illness..so my immune system taught itself to fight this virus. Exactly like the vaccine is doing for all those others.

You want herd protection. I have fully defeated the virus naturally. This is how herd protection works.

I previously said to message me privately to continue..

Which you decided against..

So we will not throw insults and trade off more " you think as I have had a vaccine..FUCK everyone else's decision making ...force them all to take 100 shots"...type of replies to enforce your view and belittle mine. I have never thought FUCK the community..I am rock hard and do what I want..and tell others to do the same...????

So reply private..or end of..
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"Should I get the COVID-19 vaccine even if I've already had COVID-19?
Yes. Catching the virus that causes COVID-19 or getting a COVID-19 vaccination gives you protection, also called immunity, from the virus. But over time, that protection seems to fade. The COVID-19 vaccine can boost your body's protection.
Also, the virus that causes COVID-19 can change, also called mutate. Vaccination with the most up-to-date variant that is spreading or expected to spread helps keep you from getting sick again."

www.mayoclinic.org

Get the facts about COVID-19 vaccines

Find out about the COVID-19 vaccines, the benefits of a COVID-19 vaccination, the possible side effects and how to prevent infection.
www.mayoclinic.org www.mayoclinic.org


*Does not apply to supermen ;)
 
Who would have thought that such a harmless and easy prevention would cause so much anger, lies and arguments throughout the world?
And yes..HARMLESS.. Compared to say, antibiotics that cause much more adverse reactions in users across the world. And painkillers.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
It’s the smallpox vaccine.
Anyone at school before 1971 will have been vaccinated and have some residual protection.
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We are safe then didn’t we get three doses of it one on a sugar lump it was a horrible disease didn’t people end up in an iron lung. They must have better treatment by now.
 
M23 Citizen said:
I have mixed feelings about the Covid vaccine.

Unfortunately, I had blood clots in my lungs that nearly killed me. I had two attacks (the second even when I was on blood thinners). I was very ill the first time it happened. The doctors have told me it’s likely, looking at the timeline of when I had the jabs and when I had the clots, that it was the vaccine that caused them and that there was a risk of clots higher from the Covid vaccine than they might expect from a vaccine.

I have to go to the Anticoagulation dept. at the hospital every couple of weeks where I have my blood checked to see how my clotting levels are doing and they adjust my thinner dosage according to how my levels are (after the first clots they didn’t have me doing that, they just left me with a daily dose of a thinner and left me to it). Hearing conversations or talking to other patients in the waiting rooms over the last few years as well as the Nurses in Anticoag, lots of people have said it’s the Covid vaccine why they’re there. A number are fairly young to middle aged like me (where clots would mostly be a middle aged to old age issue).

I personally know two other people - one lad nearly lost his leg from a clot and he had a chunk of his lower leg muscles taken away in the operation to remove the clot; and unfortunately, my work colleague’s Sister died of blood clots in the lungs around the same time it happened to me - in both cases the Doctors have said it’s a possibility that the Covid vaccine was the cause (it’s difficult to diagnose the cause of a clot case-by-case because it’s already happened, but they’re looking at the timelines of vaccine to clot and the ages of people - all three of us were between 35-45, all of us fit and healthy).

It’s been nearly two years since the first clots happened to me, and I’m only just recovering now. Until recently, any exertion I was doing was making me nearly pass out. Just walking up the stairs was hard for a while.

However, I knew at the time that it was more likely I’d die from Covid itself than the vaccine and that all medication (pretty much all things we ingest) has side effects. I was just an unfortunate patient that the Covid vaccine didn’t agree with.

Unfortunately, I also knew two people who died from Covid itself (two mate’s Dads).

Although, I do get invited for an annual Covid jab still now due to my risk factors of having damaged lungs, after having it again once since the clots, I turn it down now because I felt like shit for months after the last one I had and my clotting levels were fluctuating.

I will think long and hard about the side effects and risk factors of any vaccine, medication and taking into consideration the virus/bacteria/illness, before ever putting anything in me again.

And it has made me think about things like human evolution and 4 billion years of our cells getting to this stage without medication and that we are excellent biological specimens that have internal healing and fighting powers. Is it arguably better for our evolution to have a virus kill off a chunk of the population but achieve herd immunity through mass contraction? As a species are we really supposed to get ill and the weakest die and the strongest survive? But then I think that’s too clinical and uncaring for those who die?
And then look at where we are with Covid now after the vaccine; it’s just become a bad cold due to our immunity to it.

Anyway, it’s not a mantra I live by and it’s not made me become an anti-vaccer or owt. Just made me consider things more deeply and I don’t blame anyone for wanting to take risks into consideration before putting any form of vaccine or medication into them. I don’t get those who think everyone’s lying to us and out to get us, I also do not think there was some worldwide conspiracy to kill off part of the population through a vaccine - they’d just not have gone into lockdowns and had us all contract Covid and see many more die from the virus than the vaccine had that been the case. There’s even a conspiracy theory that Mpox has been caused by the Covid vaccine, which has been proven to be false.

So I’m in the middle with it all. I think those who just lift their sleeve up and call everyone who’s sceptical a stupid **** are very unhelpful people, but I think those who run with conspiracies and become rabid anti-vaccers are daft too.
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Yes it’s only when something happens to you like that, that you wish you never rolled your sleeve up. My daughter 48yr has a heart condition three days after her 4th vax. Now got a pacemaker. Even her consultant thinks it was the vax but said there is no proof. A bad batch or something hope your okay now and I do think everyone has to make their own minds up

This vaccine will be the smallpox vaccine I think so I”m one of the lucky ones I already had it at school
 
Marklr said:
One of Reform's policies they were promising was a "vaccine inquiry".
A complete lie and they KNOW it. They know there will NEVER be any inquiry into the vaccines as it's already known that they've been safe and effective in fighting COVID. The science is in. The results are known.
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Inquiries spread the blame thin and wide over a very long period of time - look at Grenfell, Hillsborough etc.
 
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