DenisLawBackHeel74
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Early days yet...but what did concern me is that our title rivals look more cohesive and move the ball faster than we do. We will see.
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Stoke Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread
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Dribble
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Football is a squad game and taking that into consideration how many of Stoke's squad would have made it into yesterday's team?Marvin said:Half of it is in the treatment room whilst the other makes its debut at Stoke.allan harper said:That was a shit performance,again. Mansour will be asking where his £100 million as gone, it's not been seen since it left his wallet.
I think he'll understand. It's not that hard
None! Irrespective of who we had injured man for man we were still stronger than Stoke so injuries is not an excuse in my book.
We've looked woefully inept since pre-season and I see nothing that gives me confidence that anything is going to change soon. As I predicted when the Cabal started the Mancini out campaign on his appointment, whoever the next manager would be it would descend into a ex manager v current manager debacle and this has been the case. Mancini, love him or hate him has gone so we have to work with and settle for what we have.
The fact is that Pellegrini has got a CV of not winning a major trophy in Europe BUT one where he gets his teams to punch well above their weight. It makes sense that if you give him the tools, in time he will bring success, but time isn't a luxury we have.
It's too early to start carping on about success when the season is only 4 games old and I believe Pellegrini is the man to take us forward, but please nobody tell me not to be worried about our performances so far citing injuries as an excuse. We've got a SQUAD to match anyones so with injuries, suspensions and loss of form taken into account, our performances should be far superior to what we've seen so far.
Worried? Yoiu're dead right I'm fucking worried!
deliasmith
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how many of Stoke's squad would have made it into yesterday's team?
None!
Begovich, Huth, Shawcross, N'Zonzi, Pieters - all better than the guys doing the same job in the Man City side
I disagree with this notion. Nzonzi would be a better fit in our sqaud than any CM not named Yaya. I'd take him at CM over Dihno, Milner, Garcia or Rodwell/ Saw him last year and wondered why we weren't in for him. Him and Huddlestone are 2 deep lying playmakers that would walk in our squad and earn a squad spot. And They play at lowly Stoke and Hull. There are lots of players in lowly clubs who are superior to some of our players. Shawcrozz for exmple is a better footballer than Lescott, Garcia and Nastasic. Just coz we paid 24, 17 and for those 3 don't make them better.Dribble said:Football is a squad game and taking that into consideration how many of Stoke's squad would have made it into yesterday's team?Marvin said:Half of it is in the treatment room whilst the other makes its debut at Stoke.allan harper said:That was a shit performance,again. Mansour will be asking where his £100 million as gone, it's not been seen since it left his wallet.
I think he'll understand. It's not that hard
None! Irrespective of who we had injured man for man we were still stronger than Stoke so injuries is not an excuse in my book.
We've looked woefully inept since pre-season and I see nothing that gives me confidence that anything is going to change soon. As I predicted when the Cabal started the Mancini out campaign on his appointment, whoever the next manager would be it would descend into a ex manager v current manager debacle and this has been the case. Mancini, love him or hate him has gone so we have to work with and settle for what we have.
The fact is that Pellegrini has got a CV of not winning a major trophy in Europe BUT one where he gets his teams to punch well above their weight. It makes sense that if you give him the tools, in time he will bring success, but time isn't a luxury we have.
It's too early to start carping on about success when the season is only 4 games old and I believe Pellegrini is the man to take us forward, but please nobody tell me not to be worried about our performances so far citing injuries as an excuse. We've got a SQUAD to match anyones so with injuries, suspensions and loss of form taken into account, our performances should be far superior to what we've seen so far.
Worried? Yoiu're dead right I'm fucking worried!
kippaxking79
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This is not an ex manager v current manager observation. But there is no way teams like Hull, Stoke and Cardiff would have dominated us to the extent we have seen this season. Last season the lesser teams parked the bus but we totally overplayed them - most of the time. This season we look totally dis jointed in defence. . i.e conceding decent chances for the opposition. . Our midfield can't seen to hold onto to the ball or provide the forwards with key passes. . And our forward play lacks any cutting edge. A positive we can take is that we have got 7 points and in all honesty we could have no arguments if we had only managed 3 points on the board - then the Shit would have hit the fan! One observation to when Mancini took over is that you could see a massive improvement within the team after only half a dozen games or so whereas Mr Pellegrinis team looks all over the place at the minute. This can't be down to losing just one KEY player. Manure lost Vidic last season at the start to a long term injury and they coped. I'll reserve my judgement until after the Derby at least, cos if the players can't get themselves up for that game then I think we are in for a long season ahead of us.
Begovic is good, but he's not better than hart. Huth and Shawcross, I'll give you that given we had a makeshift defencedeliasmith said:how many of Stoke's squad would have made it into yesterday's team?
None!
Begovich, Huth, Shawcross, N'Zonzi, Pieters - all better than the guys doing the same job in the Man City side
Stoke had a limited objective and set out to harry and close us down. They did it well and we couldn't respond. We weren't really a team, and it's obvious why. But player for player our squad is one of the best in Europe. We just need to get them fit, get them on the pitch, and give them time to gel.
Saturday's morning papers went on about Ozil, Eto'o and Eriksen making their debuts, but we also had Jovetic making their debut, and Negredo making his first full start. And that in a side which was missing half a team.
Only a fool would make a judgement on the back of that match
I am much more uncomfortable about the Hull game. That for me I can't explain.
I am confident we'll get it right
Rubbish!!deliasmith said:how many of Stoke's squad would have made it into yesterday's team?
None!
Begovich, Huth, Shawcross, N'Zonzi, Pieters - all better than the guys doing the same job in the Man City side
deliasmith said:how many of Stoke's squad would have made it into yesterday's team?
None!
Begovich, Huth, Shawcross, N'Zonzi, Pieters - all better than the guys doing the same job in the Man City side
Take it you're expecting Champions League qualification then since about half of your team are better than half of ours?
daxman said:I disagree with this notion. Nzonzi would be a better fit in our sqaud than any CM not named Yaya. I'd take him at CM over Dihno, Milner, Garcia or Rodwell/ Saw him last year and wondered why we weren't in for him. Him and Huddlestone are 2 deep lying playmakers that would walk in our squad and earn a squad spot. And They play at lowly Stoke and Hull. There are lots of players in lowly clubs who are superior to some of our players. Shawcrozz for exmple is a better footballer than Lescott, Garcia and Nastasic. Just coz we paid 24, 17 and for those 3 don't make them better.
I just fell of my seat laughing so hard at that!
Jesus, that's made my night...
Dribble
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On the day even I could be better than Messi, but I'm assessing their talent over a period of time not just on one game.deliasmith said:how many of Stoke's squad would have made it into yesterday's team?
None!
Begovich, Huth, Shawcross, N'Zonzi, Pieters - all better than the guys doing the same job in the Man City side
I suppose if you take Garcia into account you may have a point and as pointed out just becuase we paid over the odds for Lescott, Kolorov, Garcia doesn't make them better players, but without getting into semantics and Garcia apart, I still wouldn't swap any of their lot for ours.
We played well below the standard we expected and I don't buy into the excuse that it's because we're missing a couple of players due to injury. Also I must have missed the stampede of clubs beating a path to Stoke's door for N'Zonzi, Huth and Shawcross.
citytill1die84
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Goo said:daxman said:I disagree with this notion. Nzonzi would be a better fit in our sqaud than any CM not named Yaya. I'd take him at CM over Dihno, Milner, Garcia or Rodwell/ Saw him last year and wondered why we weren't in for him. Him and Huddlestone are 2 deep lying playmakers that would walk in our squad and earn a squad spot. And They play at lowly Stoke and Hull. There are lots of players in lowly clubs who are superior to some of our players. Shawcrozz for exmple is a better footballer than Lescott, Garcia and Nastasic. Just coz we paid 24, 17 and for those 3 don't make them better.
I just fell of my seat laughing so hard at that!
Jesus, that's made my night...
Hahaha i'll 2nd this what a load of shit. They struggled for a reason last year just because the hold a piss poor City team they've all of a sudden got players who'd fit into our squad? TUT TUT
Whether you'd swap ours for theirs is irrelevant here. The question is who is better? I say Shawcoss is better than any CD we have not named Kompany, and Nzonzi is better than any CM we have not named Yaya.Dribble said:On the day even I could be better than Messi, but I'm assessing their talent over a period of time not just on one game.deliasmith said:how many of Stoke's squad would have made it into yesterday's team?
None!
Begovich, Huth, Shawcross, N'Zonzi, Pieters - all better than the guys doing the same job in the Man City side
I suppose if you take Garcia into account you may have a point and as pointed out just becuase we paid over the odds for Lescott, Kolorov, Garcia doesn't make them better players, but without getting into semantics and Garcia apart, I still wouldn't swap any of their lot for ours.
We played well below the standard we expected and I don't buy into the excuse that it's because we're missing a couple of players due to injury. Also I must have missed the stampede of clubs beating a path to Stoke's door for N'Zonzi, Huth and Shawcross.
prestonibbo_mcfc
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daxman said:Whether you'd swap ours for theirs is irrelevant here. The question is who is better? I say Shawcoss is better than any CD we have not named Kompany, and Nzonzi is better than any CM we have not named Yaya.Dribble said:On the day even I could be better than Messi, but I'm assessing their talent over a period of time not just on one game.deliasmith said:Begovich, Huth, Shawcross, N'Zonzi, Pieters - all better than the guys doing the same job in the Man City side
I suppose if you take Garcia into account you may have a point and as pointed out just becuase we paid over the odds for Lescott, Kolorov, Garcia doesn't make them better players, but without getting into semantics and Garcia apart, I still wouldn't swap any of their lot for ours.
We played well below the standard we expected and I don't buy into the excuse that it's because we're missing a couple of players due to injury. Also I must have missed the stampede of clubs beating a path to Stoke's door for N'Zonzi, Huth and Shawcross.
Absolute rot ! IMO
Dribble
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It's all about opinions and with all due respect, I think call at Specsavers should be next priority. Like I said previously I'm failing to recall a stampede to Stoke's door for any of your faves that you mention. Also it's still fresh in my memory that these were the same players who played in a turgid Stoke side last season.daxman said:Whether you'd swap ours for theirs is irrelevant here. The question is who is better? I say Shawcoss is better than any CD we have not named Kompany, and Nzonzi is better than any CM we have not named Yaya.Dribble said:On the day even I could be better than Messi, but I'm assessing their talent over a period of time not just on one game.deliasmith said:Begovich, Huth, Shawcross, N'Zonzi, Pieters - all better than the guys doing the same job in the Man City side
I suppose if you take Garcia into account you may have a point and as pointed out just becuase we paid over the odds for Lescott, Kolorov, Garcia doesn't make them better players, but without getting into semantics and Garcia apart, I still wouldn't swap any of their lot for ours.
We played well below the standard we expected and I don't buy into the excuse that it's because we're missing a couple of players due to injury. Also I must have missed the stampede of clubs beating a path to Stoke's door for N'Zonzi, Huth and Shawcross.
They're decent Premiership players, but to say that they are what we should be looking at to get us where we want to be is a bit far fetched IMHO. Just because Garcia, Kolorov and Lescott aren't what we need, why would we consider replacing them with players who on their day might match up to ours but in general are of a lower standard?
Shafter
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When all is said and done....we were better than you yeasterday, we deserved to win, and it was only a result of our woeful finishing which meant we only came away with a point.
You can say what you want about Stoke but our "thugs" sould never ever ever ever ever dare to attempt to make you look average.......
....but we did!
How you all doing by the way :)
You can say what you want about Stoke but our "thugs" sould never ever ever ever ever dare to attempt to make you look average.......
....but we did!
How you all doing by the way :)
Shafter said:When all is said and done....we were better than you yeasterday, we deserved to win, and it was only a result of our woeful finishing which meant we only came away with a point.
You can say what you want about Stoke but our "thugs" sould never ever ever ever ever dare to attempt to make you look average.......
....but we did!
How you all doing by the way :)
They did.
But I can say with 100% certainty that Stoke City will have another average season at best.
You may have won the war yesterday, but once again City will win the battle, come May.
Enjoy your draw, clean sheet, and point. :-)
jrb said:Shafter said:When all is said and done....we were better than you yeasterday, we deserved to win, and it was only a result of our woeful finishing which meant we only came away with a point.
You can say what you want about Stoke but our "thugs" sould never ever ever ever ever dare to attempt to make you look average.......
....but we did!
How you all doing by the way :)
They did.
But I can say with 100% certainty that Stoke City will have another average season at best.
You may have won the war yesterday, but once again City will win the battle, come May.
Enjoy your draw, clean sheet, and point. :-)
The quote is the supposed to be the other way round mate.
?jrb said:Shafter said:When all is said and done....we were better than you yeasterday, we deserved to win, and it was only a result of our woeful finishing which meant we only came away with a point.
You can say what you want about Stoke but our "thugs" sould never ever ever ever ever dare to attempt to make you look average.......
....but we did!
How you all doing by the way :)
They did.
But I can say with 100% certainty that Stoke City will have another average season at best.
You may have won the war yesterday, but once again City will win the battle, come May.
Enjoy your draw, clean sheet, and point. :-)
Rascal
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Shafter said:When all is said and done....we were better than you yeasterday, we deserved to win, and it was only a result of our woeful finishing which meant we only came away with a point.
Very true