Stone Roses tonight

[Didsbury Dave]

Maybe it's me, but don't you reach an age where the penny drops that these big one offs are actually fucking miserable? Herded around like cattle and ripped off every which way.

Oasis, knebworth, 96 for me. The crowd singing spoilt it and the 7 mile walk after taught me a few home truths.

I saw one too many new order gigs, too, and realized watching old men doing karaoke versions of their songs in the distance actually sullies the memories.

I saw the roses the first time around at the hac and spike island. They were a shit live act then, in their prime.

'Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?' Jonny rotten 1977

Preach On

Madchester Preach On

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Maybe it's me, but don't you reach an age where the penny drops that these big one offs are actually fucking miserable? Herded around like cattle and ripped off every which way.

Oasis, knebworth, 96 for me. The crowd singing spoilt it and the 7 mile walk after taught me a few home truths.

I saw one too many new order gigs, too, and realized watching old men doing karaoke versions of their songs in the distance actually sullies the memories.

I saw the roses the first time around at the hac and spike island. They were a shit live act then, in their prime.

'Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?' Jonny rotten 1977

It's not often that I agree with you DD.

Johnny Rotten. Is he that guy who sells butter on the tv?

The penny dropped with me a long time ago regarding 'event' concerts and festivals. I wasn't old enough to go to late 80's gigs and finally got my chance in 95. But then they cancelled and on came Pulp. It's funny, I was thinking of that line on Friday night.
'Oh is this the way they say the future's meant to feel? Or just 20,000 people standing in a field.'

Agree with you about New Order. Sad watching them deteriorate year after year until they looked like a tribute act. Barny with his monitor/ hearing aid in and Hooky holding his bass an inch off the floor. Playing same setlist night after night. Kinda glad they fell out really.

I for one had a good night Friday and can't get hold of anyone who went last night so they must have enjoyed it too.


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New order, Blackpool 05. Doing 3 minute versions of the songs, barney with an autocue, doing his crowd pleasing banter bit between the songs. I suddenly thought 'this is everything new order stood against'. I hated it, yet still found myself at that Manchester against cancer gig where they did a short joy division set. Barney said 'this is love will tear us apart' and my mate, who followed them with me since the early 80s turned to me and said 'again' and I said 'and again' and he went 'and again'. We just left in the full knowledge they, and we, had gone too far.

I should have made my last gig the appollo one when they 'reformed' around 99.

I totally understand it's me growing old as well as them.

Rock stars should live fast and die young.

 

[Damocles]

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Anything past that is generally shit. Imagine Cobain doing Glastonbury now and trotting out Smells Like Teen Spirit., or Hendrix pulling off Spanish Castle Magic on stage

I genuinely shudder at the thought.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

I went last night, had a ball, been waiting 20 years to go and see them, never got the chance first time around, so i have scratched an itch and it felt good. The atmosphere was awesome, everyone around me (with 1 exception who wanted to fight someone/anyone) went for it and got fully involved. Anyone who slags off Ian Brown's vocals is on another planet, because he has never been any good, thats not what the Roses or last night was about, or not for me anyway.

I understand what some are saying, but really if you want perfect vocals live, rock and roll probably isnt for you... try jazz, classical or something else more middle of the road...

I do agree somewhat with the dying young thing though, Lennon, Cobain et al their star shines brighter because it only shone so briefly.

 

[malg]

I had a cracking time last night. Worth every penny.

 

[Lucky13]

I went last night, had a ball, been waiting 20 years to go and see them, never got the chance first time around, so i have scratched an itch and it felt good. The atmosphere was awesome, everyone around me (with 1 exception who wanted to fight someone/anyone) went for it and got fully involved. Anyone who slags off Ian Brown's vocals is on another planet, because he has never been any good, thats not what the Roses or last night was about, or not for me anyway.

I understand what some are saying, but really if you want perfect vocals live, rock and roll probably isnt for you... try jazz, classical or something else more middle of the road...

I do agree somewhat with the dying young thing though, Lennon, Cobain et al their star shines brighter because it only shone so briefly.

Lennon was 40.

 

[Blue Punter]

I went to the first night of the Roses tour in Barca a few weeks ago. I wasn't expecting much, because Brown is such a poor singer.

Turned out to be a quality gig, because there was about 1500 people in an intimate nightclub, with a quality sound and lighting system. We were about 6 deep from the stage and you could actually get served at the bar in between songs.

The band were brilliant and Brown's voice has improved. After the gig, there was an after show Madchester party at the venue until 7.00am, which we left at 5.30 when the metro started running. Was back at the apartment in 10 mins.

Heaton Park never appealed to me. Wouldn't go if someone gave me a comp. Hope everyone who's been or is there tonight has a good night though.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

I went last night, had a ball, been waiting 20 years to go and see them, never got the chance first time around, so i have scratched an itch and it felt good. The atmosphere was awesome, everyone around me (with 1 exception who wanted to fight someone/anyone) went for it and got fully involved. Anyone who slags off Ian Brown's vocals is on another planet, because he has never been any good, thats not what the Roses or last night was about, or not for me anyway.

I understand what some are saying, but really if you want perfect vocals live, rock and roll probably isnt for you... try jazz, classical or something else more middle of the road...

I do agree somewhat with the dying young thing though, Lennon, Cobain et al their star shines brighter because it only shone so briefly.

Lennon was 40.

I know that but he didnt live long enough to write something as naff as the Frog song, so is held in a much higher reguard than McCartney, who has become more and more a figure of fun throughout his life.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club

Anything past that is generally shit. Imagine Cobain doing Glastonbury now and trotting out Smells Like Teen Spirit., or Hendrix pulling off Spanish Castle Magic on stage

I genuinely shudder at the thought.

Wouldn't have thought someone like you would have the remotest understanding of zeitgeist and the spirit of rock n roll, but you've highlighted the point brilliantly to be fair to you.

Whilst neither were hugely my bag, Theres two artists right there who were unable to spoil the magic by going on too long.

They don't have to die. Just find another career.

I'm not knocking anyone who enjoyed the roses gig, by the way. And I'm long enough in the tooth to understand that if you're on 20k a year and can make a million for six month's work, you're not likely to resist it in the name of artistic pride. As the roses and tons of bands have proved.

Money talks. It's the great rock n roll swindle.

 

[Walkbustaxi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club

Anything past that is generally shit. Imagine Cobain doing Glastonbury now and trotting out Smells Like Teen Spirit., or Hendrix pulling off Spanish Castle Magic on stage

I genuinely shudder at the thought.

Agreed that after 30 it's generally the rule and not the exception that most artists have lost 'it'. Whatever 'it' is, fire/ spark, passion, ability, voice, looks etc but I do enjoy the exception. Off the top of my head I know Leonard Cohen was in his 30's when he started recording his easy listening compositions and the aforementioned Jarvis Cocker was well into his 30's when Pulp became 'overnight' stars in 95.

Plus to be honest I like watching some of these old artists. Never saw Springsteen, Van Morrison or Arthur Lee in their pre 27 phase but never the less enjoyed them as older artists. I'll pass on mentioning all the **** ones though!


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