Stoppage time

[cleavers]

The women yesterday had no added time either first half or second half, referee blew exactly on 45 and 90 minutes, this despite all the goals and subs.

 

[Mike Cledford]

Possibly, seeing as how TV rules the roost nowadays. Particularly with the CL HT whistle scenario. I don't see it being the case in the PL as there is usually plenty of time to play with when the pundits are on at FT.
I think it's more likely that they haven't a clue most of the time. The reason why we don't have any refs at the WC.

The ref often waits for a signal before starting and l think that we get big fines for being late after half time because it affects the poor little TV people and their schedules. Different countries have different pundits and finishing times.
I think it is those who pay the piper choosing the tune.

 

[ysmsa]

There used to be a provision for specifically extending a half to allow the penalty to be taken and no more.
City played Spurs in the early 60s and a pen was awarded late in the first half. Bert.saved the pen and the follow up was not allowed as time was stopped at the moment Bert saved it.
So City were the first team to take a point from the all conquering Spurs.
The ref was correct and had balls - unlike modern refs.

That is really interesting scenario, thanks.

Unrelated but did you note in the Derby, Shaw placed the ball for a corner, not even close to the arc, none of this its touching the line bollocks but not even close and well outside, liner stood right next to it.

One day some smart arse read the rule book and noted the ball only needs to be touching the line and here we are, the ball is placed anywhere, it's stupid, ball inside the arc or Fuck off.

 

[N1985]

Why can't football be like all other sports? Have a time keeper and just stop the clock when needed.

Or, is that too easy?

You can't cheat and bend the rules then

 

[Mike Cledford]

That is really interesting scenario, thanks.

Unrelated but did you note in the Derby, Shaw placed the ball for a corner, not even close to the arc, none of this its touching the line bollocks but not even close and well outside, liner stood right next to it.

One day some smart arse read the rule book and noted the ball only needs to be touching the line and here we are, the ball is placed anywhere, it's stupid, ball inside the arc or Fuck off.

I find it irritating too like fiddling with the ball rotating it a few degrees before replacing it on the same spot.
You would think that Shaw was Sir Stanley Matthews about to plant a perfect ball onto a big striker's head with the laces away from his forehead.
On second thoughts' perhaps not.

 

[ysmsa]

I find it irritating too like fiddling with the ball rotating it a few degrees before replacing it on the same spot.
You would think that Shaw was Sir Stanley Matthews about to plant a perfect ball onto a big striker's head with the laces away from his forehead.
On second thoughts' perhaps not.

Before you know it Rags will be placing the ball on the Pen spot after a corner incident,

actually they're doing that already :- )

 

[BillCarlisle]

The ref often waits for a signal before starting and l think that we get big fines for being late after half time because it affects the poor little TV people and their schedules. Different countries have different pundits and finishing times.
I think it is those who pay the piper choosing the tune.

Yes, Mike, we all remember the time we were hit with a fine for being 30 secs late in turning out for the 2nd half. A fine significantly more than another club were given at the time for racist chanting. Not to mention the complete disregard of the coach attack at Anfield. Whatever happened to the Beautiful Game ?
I sometimes wonder why it's still such a passion for me, but I guess I'm not alone in that !

 

[BillCarlisle]

That is really interesting scenario, thanks.

Unrelated but did you note in the Derby, Shaw placed the ball for a corner, not even close to the arc, none of this its touching the line bollocks but not even close and well outside, liner stood right next to it.

One day some smart arse read the rule book and noted the ball only needs to be touching the line and here we are, the ball is placed anywhere, it's stupid, ball inside the arc or Fuck off.

I don't see the logic nowadays. When I was a lad the ball always had to be behind the line (as you say). For both corners & goal kicks. As I understand it, the Law has now changed so that the ball has to be touching the line. In practice nearly every corner we now see, the ball is actually outside the arc. The likes of Tyler tell us now that the sphere of the ball needs to be overlapping the line, if not touching it, and quite often even that isn't happening. I agree with you - the ball should be inside the arc, full stop. Fine margins can often be translated as cheating. Which in this case it is, IMHO.

 

[Mike Cledford]

I don't see the logic nowadays. When I was a lad the ball always had to be behind the line (as you say). For both corners & goal kicks. As I understand it, the Law has now changed so that the ball has to be touching the line. In practice nearly every corner we now see, the ball is actually outside the arc. The likes of Tyler tell us now that the sphere of the ball needs to be overlapping er worked it outthe line, if not touching it, and quite often even that isn't happening. I agree with you - the ball should be inside the arc, full stop. Fine margins can often be translated as cheating. Which in this case it is, IMHO.

It's been all the ball over all the line since the 60s at least and that's easy to take in when you think of Stones's clearance off the line. It just look odd on a corner with the modern fashion which makes the ball a couple of inches nearer the goal. I don't think that has much effect on our corners when we always seem to hit the first defender.
Any idea why the taker lifts his arm. I've never worked it out. For a time we thought it was Joey Barton letting the first defender know it was coming to him. Always.

 

[CatMan]

There used to be a provision for specifically extending a half to allow the penalty to be taken and no more.
City played Spurs in the early 60s and a pen was awarded late in the first half. Bert.saved the pen and the follow up was not allowed as time was stopped at the moment Bert saved it.
So City were the first team to take a point from the all conquering Spurs.
The ref was correct and had balls - unlike modern refs.

I believe that when the ball is dead with regard to a penalty has changed over the years. I did my referees course twice (not because I failed I hasten to add, but because I was military and didn't referee for a long time and needed a refresher) and between those courses this law, or interpretation of it changed. Originally the moment a ball ceased its forward motion, i.e. saved or rebounds of the post for a penalty in added time or a shoot out, the penalty was said to be complete. As time passed, we then started to see ridiculous situations of balls rebounding out with spin, or even coming back of the post and hitting the keeper's back, before then going into an often unguarded net, as the goalkeeper was often away celebrating. Why they needed to change it I'm not sure but like many laws, it might have been that it was easier to change it than asked largely stupid players to understand the original.