Strike

[Matty]

In that case they can review the shite pay I've had for the last 32 years, the salary I accepted on the understanding that there were certain compensations eg a decent pension.
If I start to pay more towards that pension then they can compensate me by paying some arrears on that shite salary.
Works both ways, but of course that won't happen.

The assumption there is that you had the option of getting a superior salary elsewhere. In the main it's a myth that the private sector is filled with high salaries when compared to those offered by the public sector. Your average private sector employee will be struggling along on a not great salary, whilst having to accept wage freezes and changes to pensions/terms and conditions just like your average public sector employee.

In 32 years I have had 2 promotions and am now considered of management grade. The salary is 25k a year.
I've stuck to my side of the bargain and so should they. It really is that simple.

You're over simplifying it.

Your side of the bargain is to provide them with a service, their side of the bargain is to reward you for that service. What that service will entail, and how they will reward you, are variables which will evolve over time.

Management grade is a very wide statement indeed, this could be anything from a handful of staff and a minor budget to hundreds of members of staff and a budget in the millions. There are also numerous actvities/qualifications you may/may not possess/undertake as a manager? Are you Prince II qualified for example? All of these things are reflected in your responsibilities and, therefore, your level of reward. My Sister-In-Law is the manager of a retail outlet, in charge of 15-20 members of staff (not simultaneously) as well as numerous other responsibilities concerning the store itself, her salary would be comparable to yours.

 

[Blue Punter]

In that case they can review the shite pay I've had for the last 32 years, the salary I accepted on the understanding that there were certain compensations eg a decent pension.
If I start to pay more towards that pension then they can compensate me by paying some arrears on that shite salary.
Works both ways, but of course that won't happen.

The assumption there is that you had the option of getting a superior salary elsewhere. In the main it's a myth that the private sector is filled with high salaries when compared to those offered by the public sector. Your average private sector employee will be struggling along on a not great salary, whilst having to accept wage freezes and changes to pensions/terms and conditions just like your average public sector employee.

From my experience, I have to say that's absolute bollocks. I know plenty of people in the private sector and on average they earn more than people with similar roles in the public sector. Not to mention other perks and freebies such as business lunches, racetrips, private boxes and all sorts of corporate hospitality offered up under the guise of entertaining.

I started in the Civil Service in 1998 as a graduate on a 3 month fixed appointment. The annual salary for that post was £7,800. In comparison to similar clerical jobs in the private sector, it was the lowest paid job by far in the job centre. At the time, the pension wasn't a great incentive to me, I was only supposed to be there 3 months as a stopgap. But I soon deduced from colleagues how important it was to them. It was something that had been agreed and in some way offset the disadvantage of the low wages many people were on.

 

[njmcfc1894]

Even after the pension changes we get a good pension considering how much we pay into it, much better than anyone i know in the private sector
Although there's no pay rise on the horizon i think the fact we have flexi time where we can come and go as we please and take time off whenever we want compensates for it to a certain degree
overall people at our place should realise how good we have it compared to most.

Cause of budget cuts I can't just take time off Willy nilly,we lose staff all the time and they are not replaced,I'm sure Francis maude will be on tv later sayin were all on 50k a year and a gold plated pension,that doesn't describe me,id love to be at Wembley next month but can only afford the final so I'm banking on city gettin through,I struggle like a Lot of people but i was on strike,i won't sit back and let everyone else fight my corner..

 

[George Hannah]

In that case they can review the shite pay I've had for the last 32 years, the salary I accepted on the understanding that there were certain compensations eg a decent pension.
If I start to pay more towards that pension then they can compensate me by paying some arrears on that shite salary.
Works both ways, but of course that won't happen.

The assumption there is that you had the option of getting a superior salary elsewhere. In the main it's a myth that the private sector is filled with high salaries when compared to those offered by the public sector. Your average private sector employee will be struggling along on a not great salary, whilst having to accept wage freezes and changes to pensions/terms and conditions just like your average public sector employee.

From my experience, I have to say that's absolute bollocks. I know plenty of people in the private sector and on average they earn more than people with similar roles in the public sector. Not to mention other perks and freebies such as business lunches, racetrips, private boxes and all sorts of corporate hospitality offered up under the guise of entertaining.

I started in the Civil Service in 1998 as a graduate on a 3 month fixed appointment. The annual salary for that post was £7,800. In comparison to similar clerical jobs in the private sector, it was the lowest paid job by far in the job centre. At the time, the pension wasn't a great incentive to me, I was only supposed to be there 3 months as a stopgap. But I soon deduced from colleagues how important it was to them. It was something that had been agreed and in some way offset the disadvantage of the low wages many people were on.

When I joined in the 1970s I was told that our final salary pension was paid for by an ongoing 8% reduction in basic pay compared to the going rate for any equivalent job outside the Civil Service.

 

[mackenzie]

The assumption there is that you had the option of getting a superior salary elsewhere. In the main it's a myth that the private sector is filled with high salaries when compared to those offered by the public sector. Your average private sector employee will be struggling along on a not great salary, whilst having to accept wage freezes and changes to pensions/terms and conditions just like your average public sector employee.

In 32 years I have had 2 promotions and am now considered of management grade. The salary is 25k a year.
I've stuck to my side of the bargain and so should they. It really is that simple.

You're over simplifying it.

Your side of the bargain is to provide them with a service, their side of the bargain is to reward you for that service. What that service will entail, and how they will reward you, are variables which will evolve over time.

Management grade is a very wide statement indeed, this could be anything from a handful of staff and a minor budget to hundreds of members of staff and a budget in the millions. There are also numerous actvities/qualifications you may/may not possess/undertake as a manager? Are you Prince II qualified for example? All of these things are reflected in your responsibilities and, therefore, your level of reward. My Sister-In-Law is the manager of a retail outlet, in charge of 15-20 members of staff (not simultaneously) as well as numerous other responsibilities concerning the store itself, her salary would be comparable to yours.

The British Civil Service was once recognised as the best in the world, and deservedly so. It was a role to be proud of. Now we are undermined, attacked, jaded, made to watch millions of tax payers money thrown away to outside private firms who rarely deliver and now they want to shaft us even more.

This is a matter of principle. If we allow them to continue without raising our voice then the decline in the Civil Service and the service we can give to the public will continue.

 

[johnmc]

From my experience, I have to say that's absolute bollocks. I know plenty of people in the private sector and on average they earn more than people with similar roles in the public sector. Not to mention other perks and freebies such as business lunches, racetrips, private boxes and all sorts of corporate hospitality offered up under the guise of entertaining.

I started in the Civil Service in 1998 as a graduate on a 3 month fixed appointment. The annual salary for that post was £7,800. In comparison to similar clerical jobs in the private sector, it was the lowest paid job by far in the job centre. At the time, the pension wasn't a great incentive to me, I was only supposed to be there 3 months as a stopgap. But I soon deduced from colleagues how important it was to them. It was something that had been agreed and in some way offset the disadvantage of the low wages many people were on.

Your knowledge of the private sector is obviously limited - as I work in the private sector as do numerous friends. The only friends I have who do well out of hospitality are in the building game. I have been in the private sector for over 10 years and never offered any football tickets, racetrips and we get £25 a head for christmas. We do not get a pension.

Also, why did you take the lowest paid job when the pension was not a concern to you?

 

[George Hannah]

From my experience, I have to say that's absolute bollocks. I know plenty of people in the private sector and on average they earn more than people with similar roles in the public sector. Not to mention other perks and freebies such as business lunches, racetrips, private boxes and all sorts of corporate hospitality offered up under the guise of entertaining.

I started in the Civil Service in 1998 as a graduate on a 3 month fixed appointment. The annual salary for that post was £7,800. In comparison to similar clerical jobs in the private sector, it was the lowest paid job by far in the job centre. At the time, the pension wasn't a great incentive to me, I was only supposed to be there 3 months as a stopgap. But I soon deduced from colleagues how important it was to them. It was something that had been agreed and in some way offset the disadvantage of the low wages many people were on.

Your knowledge of the private sector is obviously limited - as I work in the private sector as do numerous friends. The only friends I have who do well out of hospitality are in the building game. I have been in the private sector for over 10 years and never offered any football tickets, racetrips and we get £25 a head for christmas. We do not get a pension.

Also, why did you take the lowest paid job when the pension was not a concern to you?

do you think a work pension is a bad thing then -if we don't all have one nobody should?

 

[foxy]

In that case they can review the shite pay I've had for the last 32 years, the salary I accepted on the understanding that there were certain compensations eg a decent pension.
If I start to pay more towards that pension then they can compensate me by paying some arrears on that shite salary.
Works both ways, but of course that won't happen.

The assumption there is that you had the option of getting a superior salary elsewhere. In the main it's a myth that the private sector is filled with high salaries when compared to those offered by the public sector. Your average private sector employee will be struggling along on a not great salary, whilst having to accept wage freezes and changes to pensions/terms and conditions just like your average public sector employee.

From my experience, I have to say that's absolute bollocks. I know plenty of people in the private sector and on average they earn more than people with similar roles in the public sector. Not to mention other perks and freebies such as business lunches, racetrips, private boxes and all sorts of corporate hospitality offered up under the guise of entertaining.

I started in the Civil Service in 1998 as a graduate on a 3 month fixed appointment. The annual salary for that post was £7,800. In comparison to similar clerical jobs in the private sector, it was the lowest paid job by far in the job centre. At the time, the pension wasn't a great incentive to me, I was only supposed to be there 3 months as a stopgap. But I soon deduced from colleagues how important it was to them. It was something that had been agreed and in some way offset the disadvantage of the low wages many people were on.

Not having a dig at you but have to say workers in SOME areas of the Public Sector have it easy. I have worked in both sectors and I have noticed a huge contrast.

Whilst yes you do receive some pretty nice perks in the private sector such as business lunches, paid for meals and invitations to events there is also the grim side such as being up at stupid o clock to speak to somebody on the phone in india, staying behind work until 9pm to ensure targets are met, not having stability in your job and every month is a fight for keeping your job.

Public sector jobs are pretty secure as long as you work hard. I have seem some absolute dross during my time in the Civil Service. I witnessed one girl royally take the piss having reduced hours because of 'whip lash'. Another girl went on sick for 3 weeks due to 'stress' co incidentally straight after a manager refused to provide funding for a uni course.

Swings and roundabouts in both sectors.

 

[johnmc]

do you think a work pension is a bad thing then -if we don't all have one nobody should?

No, but if the terms needs to be altered because of of a longer life expentacy you should be able to understand that. Look at Mattys post from a couple of pages back to see the cost difference what a pension was forecast to cost and what it will cost now.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Even after the pension changes we get a good pension considering how much we pay into it, much better than anyone i know in the private sector
Although there's no pay rise on the horizon i think the fact we have flexi time where we can come and go as we please and take time off whenever we want compensates for it to a certain degree
overall people at our place should realise how good we have it compared to most.

I doubt that this wumming halfwit even works in the public sector.
If they did,they would be about as popular as a fart in a lift.
Every post just reeks of bullshit.