Strike

[Fuzzy Logic]

Even after the pension changes we get a good pension considering how much we pay into it, much better than anyone i know in the private sector
Although there's no pay rise on the horizon i think the fact we have flexi time where we can come and go as we please and take time off whenever we want compensates for it to a certain degree
overall people at our place should realise how good we have it compared to most.

I doubt that this wumming halfwit even works in the public sector.
If they did,they would be about as popular as a fart in a lift.
Every post just reeks of bullshit.

I'm in the office now mate, been in the public sector for the last 10 years.
I have flexi time which allows great flexibility, a better pension to look forward to than anyone i know in the private sector, 30 days annual leave plus bank holidays, privilege days and as many flexi days as i need, and job security in the department where i work.
Although my pay is now frozen at £24k i think i get enough perks to be happy with my job.
Half of this office aren't in the union and a days strike achieves nothing as the work gets done anyway and other departments in our building get overtime if they need to catch up.
So i'm not wumming and there are plenty in here who share my opinions. Those is the union respect our opinion and we'll all just get along tomorrow and agree to disagree.

 

[mackenzie]

Matty, I may be reading this wrong but are you saying that someone of a manager grade in the public sector will be valued less because they don't contribute to a 'profit?'
Apologies if I have misinterpreted your post though.

 

[TGR]

They are taking everything away.
Our pay, our pensions and even our terms and and conditions.

I know we aren't liked. It's par for the course really because many see us as having it easy. And we did for years. However that has changed immensely.

But the point is that the Public Sector Unions are really the only voice left.

I am not an activist anymore these days but I am so glad we can still fight for the things we see are worth fighting for.

Lots going on at our place recently. No pay rise, luckily no cuts but a freeze is as good as, people who were in the non contributory pension now have to contribute 2% so their pay has gone down, free parking removed so that's £60 a month extra to find, and then little bits regarding holidays, milk and juice. Two handed their notice in this week.

Absolutely fucking scandalous - having to contribute to your own pension.
No free parking.
No free milk or juice
Do you still have 'flexi-time'?

I'm not to sure how the two of your mates have handed in their notice are going to go on the real world!
What a fucking joke! Thank Christ this government are trying to do something about it!<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:00 pm --<br /><br />

I come into contact with people at all levels. Boardroom & shopfloor.

And these shop floor staff get regular perks like match tickets and racetrips?

What a goon!

 

[Matty]

Matty, I may be reading this wrong but are you saying that someone of a manager grade in the public sector will be valued less because they don't contribute to a 'profit?'
Apologies if I have misinterpreted your post though.

Not specifically no. In the private sector a profit is the main aim, in the public sector it isn't. However "something" must be the main aim, something that isn't profit.

Lets say Job A is in the Private Sector, and Job B is in the public sector.

What I was saying was that Job A and Job B may, on paper, look the same. However Job A may result in more "benefit" for their employer through simply undertaking their normal day job then Job B does for their employer. In the private sector Job A's "benefit" is likely profit, Job B's "benefit" will be something else, however the specifics of what this "benefit" is aren't relevant here, it's the impact on the companies "benefit" by a given job that is the important factor, if any of that made sense!

 

[johnmc]

Lots going on at our place recently. No pay rise, luckily no cuts but a freeze is as good as, people who were in the non contributory pension now have to contribute 2% so their pay has gone down, free parking removed so that's £60 a month extra to find, and then little bits regarding holidays, milk and juice. Two handed their notice in this week.

Absolutely fucking scandalous - having to contribute to your own pension.
No free parking.
No free milk or juice
Do you still have 'flexi-time'?

I'm not to sure how the two of your mates have handed in their notice are going to go on the real world!
What a fucking joke! Thank Christ this government are trying to do something about it!

-- Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:00 pm --

I come into contact with people at all levels. Boardroom & shopfloor.

And these shop floor staff get regular perks like match tickets and racetrips?

What a goon![/quote]

Whatever mate - what I was saying was these "perks" were being removed. I havent had them in any other job but people will stay in a job for less pay when they know they could earn more elsewhere because of certain perks. So free parking isnt expected at any job really but to have it and then it be taken away it affects you. Having to pay 2% to your pension affects you. The other things are trivial around paying for your own refreshments and some issues regarding holidays.

I am sure the two staff leaving are just fine in the real world as they have secured better paid jobs than they have here, which they might not have taken if the perks were still in place.

As for the second bit I was asking for clarification on something another poster said so I dont understand your retort if you care to explain??

 

[Manchester33]

Hope everyone who had the day off today enjoyed it.

Like you will enjoy your week off for Easter, 6 weeks in the summer, 1 week at halloween, 2 weeks around christmas and all the 'half terms' in between.

It is completely out of order that you have to pay for your own pension like everyone else in the world and that your wages aren't being increased. I really feel sorry for you.

 

[njmcfc1894]

Hope everyone who had the day off today enjoyed it.

Like you will enjoy your week off for Easter, 6 weeks in the summer, 1 week at halloween, 2 weeks around christmas and all the 'half terms' in between.

It is completely out of order that you have to pay for your own pension like everyone else in the world and that your wages aren't being increased. I really feel sorry for you.

I'm not a teacher and I don't see today as a holiday,I've lost a days pay for my futures sake,people who slag union off need to remember maternity leave,sick pay etc are all because of the union,so glad we have a union and ill bet some of the people slagging us off wish they had a union

 

[tidyman]

Hope everyone who had the day off today enjoyed it.

Like you will enjoy your week off for Easter, 6 weeks in the summer, 1 week at halloween, 2 weeks around christmas and all the 'half terms' in between.

It is completely out of order that you have to pay for your own pension like everyone else in the world and that your wages aren't being increased. I really feel sorry for you.

If you had any idea who was actually on strike today, your comments would still be bullshit but might at least have made a bit of sense.

 

[Matty]

Hope everyone who had the day off today enjoyed it.

Like you will enjoy your week off for Easter, 6 weeks in the summer, 1 week at halloween, 2 weeks around christmas and all the 'half terms' in between.

It is completely out of order that you have to pay for your own pension like everyone else in the world and that your wages aren't being increased. I really feel sorry for you.

I'm not really sure you've fully grasped this. You are aware that teachers are just one of many public sector jobs affected, right?

I don't disagree with the sentiments of those striking, they are being asked to work harder, for longer, with less financial reward, and an inferior pension to the one they currently have, no-one is ever going to be happy about those things. The issue I have is that there seems to be no consideration being given to the undeniable (or, at least, it SHOULD be undeniable) fact that these changes are necessary due to the social and economical climate we find ourselves in. The status quo is not a viable option, some change is required. There's probably error on both sides, the government are dictating, not discussing, and the unions are digging their heals in rather than suggesting sensible compromises.

 

[George Hannah]

I'm not really sure you've fully grasped this. You are aware that teachers are just one of many public sector jobs affected, right?

I don't disagree with the sentiments of those striking, they are being asked to work harder, for longer, with less financial reward, and an inferior pension to the one they currently have, no-one is ever going to be happy about those things. The issue I have is that there seems to be no consideration being given to the undeniable (or, at least, it SHOULD be undeniable) fact that these changes are necessary due to the social and economical climate we find ourselves in. The status quo is not a viable option, some change is required. There's probably error on both sides, the government are dictating, not discussing, and the unions are digging their heals in rather than suggesting sensible compromises.

I'm really glad you said that. Do you also see that the civil servants losing their pay in the strike today are trying to defend your and their standard of living? The distinction between public and private in this debate is utterly meaningless. When Thatcher crushed the unions it was just the start of the dismantling of the welfare state. Everyone should get behind the few unions that are left, they are the only protection for the overwhelming majority in perilous economic times.