Stuart Brennan. MEN.

Dr Mick said:
Your name is attached to the article meaning it’s your article for which you are responsible. To attempt to pass blame onto someone else, whether that person is paid £6 or £600 per hour is wholly irrelevant. To go running to your editor to try and get a member of your own team into trouble and then announce that you have done this on a public forum is snivelling and despicable. Do your colleagues know what a conniving and underhand person you are?

The fact that you can’t be bothered to review your own article before it appears in the paper clearly demonstrates your lack of professionalism. If my name were to be attached to such an article I would absolutely make sure it was perfect before it went to press, regardless of who else had contributed to it. To do otherwise suggests sheer arrogance and laziness. To display such arrogance and laziness and then to attempt to pass the buck onto someone else and then to go running to your editor to attempt to get this someone else into trouble for your own shortcomings and unprofessionalism is astounding to say the least.

How on earth do you know the bounds of my ignorance? You have absolutely no idea who I am.

The fact that you have taken the time to respond to my comments so forcibly shows that I have clearly hit a nerve and to say that you don’t mind valid criticism suggests that’s probably because as such a poor journalist you are probably well used to receiving criticism by now.

And finally I return to my very first comment. Anyone who considers themselves to be a serious journalist and uses the work “nark” has no place on a student newspaper never mind the MEN.

I stand wholeheartedly by my original comments, in fact I would go further and say the MEN is a Shite rag loving newspaper that employs shite rag loving journalists and Mr Stuart Brennan is the worst offender.

I know the bounds of your ignorance because it shines through every line you have written - I don't need to know you to see that.
I am employed to write articles, and if I spent my time running around making sure that every picture caption was perfect, that I approved of every headline, and sub-head, I would never have time to do my work, or have a life outside of the job.
You may be a control freak, but I am not.
When you work in a team, you have to rely on other people getting things right. The trouble is, as we can see here, that if there is an error on a City story, it is me who cops the flak from the fans, whether it is anything to do with me or not. When that happens, I make sure that the guilty party shares some of the grief.
There was nothing underhand or conniving about it. I am next in the office on Monday, and if the person who wrote the caption is in, I will tell them to their face, and let them know that I have been getting stick for their error.
How do you think it should be handled?
Your observation that my use of the word "narks" is proof that I am not a journalist is hilarious. It was the first word that came into my head, and I would never use it in a newspaper article.
What, exactly is your evidence of me being a "rag loving journalist"., or is that just another product of your twisted mental processes?
And yes, you did hit a nerve, but only because it pisses me off when people talk utter bullshit about things they do not understand, especially on forums like this, where there are other simpletons who take them as gospel.
 
stuart brennan said:
Dr Mick said:
Your name is attached to the article meaning it’s your article for which you are responsible. To attempt to pass blame onto someone else, whether that person is paid £6 or £600 per hour is wholly irrelevant. To go running to your editor to try and get a member of your own team into trouble and then announce that you have done this on a public forum is snivelling and despicable. Do your colleagues know what a conniving and underhand person you are?

The fact that you can’t be bothered to review your own article before it appears in the paper clearly demonstrates your lack of professionalism. If my name were to be attached to such an article I would absolutely make sure it was perfect before it went to press, regardless of who else had contributed to it. To do otherwise suggests sheer arrogance and laziness. To display such arrogance and laziness and then to attempt to pass the buck onto someone else and then to go running to your editor to attempt to get this someone else into trouble for your own shortcomings and unprofessionalism is astounding to say the least.

How on earth do you know the bounds of my ignorance? You have absolutely no idea who I am.

The fact that you have taken the time to respond to my comments so forcibly shows that I have clearly hit a nerve and to say that you don’t mind valid criticism suggests that’s probably because as such a poor journalist you are probably well used to receiving criticism by now.

And finally I return to my very first comment. Anyone who considers themselves to be a serious journalist and uses the work “nark” has no place on a student newspaper never mind the MEN.

I stand wholeheartedly by my original comments, in fact I would go further and say the MEN is a Shite rag loving newspaper that employs shite rag loving journalists and Mr Stuart Brennan is the worst offender.


And yes, you did hit a nerve, but only because it pisses me off when people talk utter bullshit about things they do not understand, especially on forums like this, where there are other simpletons who take them as gospel.
You need to get over to the Pellegrini thread mate, you'll fit right in.. :-)
 
stuart brennan said:
squirtyflower said:
the fact that you 'feel' that your opinion holds more than mine weight suggests you lack empathy towards others, not a likeable trait
both opinions are just that, opinions
my opinion was not about the business you operate within, but about the quality of the news reporting, which was pretty poor

But to blame the readership for the poor quality of the journalism, in its loosest sense, in your employers' paper is a joke beyond redemption

it'd be like blaming a surgeon's mistake for operating on the wrong lung to assign blame to the idiotic patient under the anaesthetic for being ill in the first place

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I am saying that my opinion on the way the article was written, and the reasons behind it, holds more insight, because I know the person involved, and I know how newspapers operate. You don't, and that is not a reflection on you.
Do you think that if I offered my opinion on your profession, it would hold as much weight as yours? Of course not, it would be ridiculous to suggest that, and is nothing to do with empathy.
I am not blaming the readership for poor journalism - that was a separate point. I was saying that newspapers are full of what both you and I would call inane drivel because it has been proved that is what sells newspapers.
The surgeon analogy doesn't work at all, I'm afraid.

If we are misunderstanding what you are trying say its probably more to do with your inability to articulate yourself rather than our lack of understanding. Don't forget Stuart its City fans that you are communicating with here not your average half witted rags who usually lap up all the made up nonsense you spout in your newspaper. City fans generally tend not to sully themselves with such poor quality reporting.

You are clearly out of your depth here Stuart. Might I suggest that you log off now and the use your internet time to find a job better suited to your limited capabilities. Clearly journalism isn't for you - even if its only the MEN.
 
stuart brennan said:
especially on forums like this, where there are other simpletons
As a purely hypothetical question, what percentage of our membership would you consider to be in this bracket?

and, furthermore, from your earlier pronouncement what % of the MEN readership do you consider to be in the same bracket?
 
EricBrooksGhost said:
As for a joint headline; keep it simple and noninflammatory, it's not hard.
The real point is that it's not often a team punts seven past another but that feat was clouded somewhat by the headline
I think this may be the problem - a joint headline with two contrasting performances and scorelines makes it so easy for one teams supporters to feel a bias. The alternatives that were suggested earlier to highlight the City result would not agree with me if I were a red. I think the articles should have been independent.
 
squirtyflower said:
stuart brennan said:
especially on forums like this, where there are other simpletons
As a purely hypothetical question, what percentage of our membership would you consider to be in this bracket?

and, furthermore, from your earlier pronouncement what % of the MEN readership do you consider to be in the same bracket?

Urban Dictionary: simpleton
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99% and 100%
 
1961_vintage said:
squirtyflower said:
stuart brennan said:
especially on forums like this, where there are other simpletons
As a purely hypothetical question, what percentage of our membership would you consider to be in this bracket?

and, furthermore, from your earlier pronouncement what % of the MEN readership do you consider to be in the same bracket?

Urban Dictionary: simpleton
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=simpleton" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... =simpleton</a>
A person who is felt to be deficient in judgment, good sense, or intelligence; a fool.

99% and 100%
is the 1% you, or some other sucker?
 
stuart brennan said:
Dr Mick said:
Your name is attached to the article meaning it’s your article for which you are responsible. To attempt to pass blame onto someone else, whether that person is paid £6 or £600 per hour is wholly irrelevant. To go running to your editor to try and get a member of your own team into trouble and then announce that you have done this on a public forum is snivelling and despicable. Do your colleagues know what a conniving and underhand person you are?

The fact that you can’t be bothered to review your own article before it appears in the paper clearly demonstrates your lack of professionalism. If my name were to be attached to such an article I would absolutely make sure it was perfect before it went to press, regardless of who else had contributed to it. To do otherwise suggests sheer arrogance and laziness. To display such arrogance and laziness and then to attempt to pass the buck onto someone else and then to go running to your editor to attempt to get this someone else into trouble for your own shortcomings and unprofessionalism is astounding to say the least.

How on earth do you know the bounds of my ignorance? You have absolutely no idea who I am.

The fact that you have taken the time to respond to my comments so forcibly shows that I have clearly hit a nerve and to say that you don’t mind valid criticism suggests that’s probably because as such a poor journalist you are probably well used to receiving criticism by now.

And finally I return to my very first comment. Anyone who considers themselves to be a serious journalist and uses the work “nark” has no place on a student newspaper never mind the MEN.

I stand wholeheartedly by my original comments, in fact I would go further and say the MEN is a Shite rag loving newspaper that employs shite rag loving journalists and Mr Stuart Brennan is the worst offender.

I know the bounds of your ignorance because it shines through every line you have written - I don't need to know you to see that.
I am employed to write articles, and if I spent my time running around making sure that every picture caption was perfect, that I approved of every headline, and sub-head, I would never have time to do my work, or have a life outside of the job.
You may be a control freak, but I am not.
When you work in a team, you have to rely on other people getting things right. The trouble is, as we can see here, that if there is an error on a City story, it is me who cops the flak from the fans, whether it is anything to do with me or not. When that happens, I make sure that the guilty party shares some of the grief.
There was nothing underhand or conniving about it. I am next in the office on Monday, and if the person who wrote the caption is in, I will tell them to their face, and let them know that I have been getting stick for their error.
How do you think it should be handled?
Your observation that my use of the word "narks" is proof that I am not a journalist is hilarious. It was the first word that came into my head, and I would never use it in a newspaper article.
What, exactly is your evidence of me being a "rag loving journalist"., or is that just another product of your twisted mental processes?
And yes, you did hit a nerve, but only because it pisses me off when people talk utter bullshit about things they do not understand, especially on forums like this, where there are other simpletons who take them as gospel.


Control freak? It’s called doing your job properly Stuart. What kind of work ethic (or lack of) does the MEN actually encourage?

And of course you have completely ignored the fact that you have admitted to reporting a colleague to Peter Spencer. Now you say you will speak with this person on Monday. Good for you. Couldn’t you have done that without running to your editor first?

How do I think it should have been handled? Well one thing is for certain if ever a colleague of mine messes up and I couldn’t have been bothered to check it first (where despite what you say it is your responsibility if it carries your name) then for one I wouldn’t go squealing to my boss and for two I then definitely would not go on a public forum and tell everyone what I’ve done and how I’ve tried to get a colleague into trouble.

If by your comment “How do you think it should have been handled?” you are implying that you think you acted correctly then thank the lord I don’t work with you.

As for the “rag loving journalist” comment, please tell me Stuart which football team you support and what you supposedly do for a living. If you need any clues, you support Manchester United and you are are a professional journalist (apparently).
 

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