Stuart Brennan. MEN.

[Anonymous]

fair play for fighting your corner stuart but there's no way you can keep all supporters of the same club happy, let alone supporters of two different clubs who genuinely hate each other

our expectations of a manchester paper are probably higher, not because we see ourselves as manchester's team but because finding pro-city articles in the dailys is a needle in a haystack job - we expect a manchester paper to fight our corner and that isn't always evident

this isn't a reflection on you, its often about editorial decisions/headlines etc

Well, I'm not quite sure what else I can do on that score, because I frequently fight City's corner on all kinds of issues.
The trouble is that if I write a dozen positive articles, it barely makes a ripple. Then Dianne Bourne has a bit of fun with a diary story, and the vengeful hounds of Blue hell are let loose!
That can only be because there are some people who, either consciously or subconsciously, dismiss anything that does not back up their entrenched viewpoint, and leap on anything, however insignificant, that does.

There's a bias in your paper, maybe not from you but there is still a bias.

Reds use the M.E.N in the argument "is Manchester more blue or red?" By saying that Manchester's main newspaper prefers them. I've had that said to me on a few occasions so it isn't just crazy City fans.

Of course Manchester is blue because those fuckers don't play in Manchester but that's a whole other story.

 

[Nelly's Left Foot]

"I happen to agree with you that newspapers contain too much nonsense, but these things are the fault of the readership, not the newspapers - drivel sells."

Not sure I can get my head around that comment from Stuart. Is it really true that if the readers by a publication which contains a lot of drivel then it's the readers fault.

TV is another example though I suppose.There is so much garbage on there under the reality show heading which seems to appeal to a lot of folk but it really is garbage.

 

[squirtyflower]

However, regardless of that, I am entitled to my opinion that a newspaper should report the news and not churlish and childish opinion, something that you have then tried to defend by belittling me
I may be old fashioned but i don't deserve to have my opinion rubbished in such a manner because i disagree with your assessment of Dianne Burke

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine, it is just that mine holds more weight because I actually understand the business in which I work, and you clearly don't.
If I was to proffer an opinion on your profession, I am certain it would not be as knowledgeable or pertinent as yours.
What is your profession, by the way?
I happen to agree with you that newspapers contain too much nonsense, but these things are the fault of the readership, not the newspapers - drivel sells.

the fact that you 'feel' that your opinion holds more than mine weight suggests you lack empathy towards others, not a likeable trait
both opinions are just that, opinions
my opinion was not about the business you operate within, but about the quality of the news reporting, which was pretty poor

But to blame the readership for the poor quality of the journalism, in its loosest sense, in your employers' paper is a joke beyond redemption

it'd be like blaming a surgeon's mistake for operating on the wrong lung to assign blame to the idiotic patient under the anaesthetic for being ill in the first place

 

[stuart brennan]

"City triumph to 7 and Utd with good away win as both clubs win."

There you go.

The difference between what I have just written and what is actually printed in the headline is that mine is nothing but the truth, whilst the headline in your paper blurs the truth to make people believe Utd were a key factor in both teams scoring 10, which they weren't.

With my headline there, both sets of fans would have accepted it.

Right, so how many people, do you think, went away from that article with the notion that United scored more than 3, or that City scored less than 7? Unless there are people out there with IQs in single figures, I would suggest there are none.
So what do you think the headline writer's motivation was? Do you think he sat there, at his keyboard - on a Saturday teatime, when sports stories are coming at him from all angles - and chewed a pen, and thought "I wonder how I can make it sound like United actually scored more than they did, or that City didn;t actually score seven after all".
Or do you think it more likely that he wrote a quick piece, slammed a quick, cover-all headline on it, and moved on?
I am 100 per cent sure I know which of those two versions is accurate.

 

[blueparrot]

"I happen to agree with you that newspapers contain too much nonsense, but these things are the fault of the readership, not the newspapers - drivel sells."

Not sure I can get my head around that comment from Stuart. Is it really true that if the readers by a publication which contains a lot of drivel then it's the readers fault.

TV is another example though I suppose.There is so much garbage on there under the reality show heading which seems to appeal to a lot of folk but it really is garbage.

The papers with the most drivel sell more so yes it is the readers fault.

 

[squirtyflower]

However, regardless of that, I am entitled to my opinion that a newspaper should report the news and not churlish and childish opinion, something that you have then tried to defend by belittling me
I may be old fashioned but i don't deserve to have my opinion rubbished in such a manner because i disagree with your assessment of Dianne Burke

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine, it is just that mine holds more weight because I actually understand the business in which I work, and you clearly don't.
If I was to proffer an opinion on your profession, I am certain it would not be as knowledgeable or pertinent as yours.
What is your profession, by the way?
I happen to agree with you that newspapers contain too much nonsense, but these things are the fault of the readership, not the newspapers - drivel sells.

Quality.

we should all get down on our knees and bow down before him

 

[City Raider]

"City triumph to 7 and Utd with good away win as both clubs win."

There you go.

The difference between what I have just written and what is actually printed in the headline is that mine is nothing but the truth, whilst the headline in your paper blurs the truth to make people believe Utd were a key factor in both teams scoring 10, which they weren't.

With my headline there, both sets of fans would have accepted it.

Right, so how many people, do you think, went away from that article with the notion that United scored more than 3, or that City scored less than 7? Unless there are people out there with IQs in single figures, I would suggest there are none.
So what do you think the headline writer's motivation was? Do you think he sat there, at his keyboard - on a Saturday teatime, when sports stories are coming at him from all angles - and chewed a pen, and thought "I wonder how I can make it sound like United actually scored more than they did, or that City didn;t actually score seven after all".
Or do you think it more likely that he wrote a quick piece, slammed a quick, cover-all headline on it, and moved on?
I am 100 per cent sure I know which of those two versions is accurate.

I'd be a little embarrassed by that headline if I was a red

 

[Danamy]

fair play for fighting your corner stuart but there's no way you can keep all supporters of the same club happy, let alone supporters of two different clubs who genuinely hate each other

our expectations of a manchester paper are probably higher, not because we see ourselves as manchester's team but because finding pro-city articles in the dailys is a needle in a haystack job - we expect a manchester paper to fight our corner and that isn't always evident

this isn't a reflection on you, its often about editorial decisions/headlines etc

Well, I'm not quite sure what else I can do on that score, because I frequently fight City's corner on all kinds of issues.
The trouble is that if I write a dozen positive articles, it barely makes a ripple. Then Dianne Bourne has a bit of fun with a diary story, and the vengeful hounds of Blue hell are let loose!
That can only be because there are some people who, either consciously or subconsciously, dismiss anything that does not back up their entrenched viewpoint, and leap on anything, however insignificant, that does.

Hence the reason why I don't buy the rag, I can make my own mind up and i'm not interested what happens across the City.

Some people get too wrapped up in all the bullshit, the easy way out is to not buy it or get drawn to it in the first place, it's certainly on my foe list.

 

[Deleted member 13905]

However, regardless of that, I am entitled to my opinion that a newspaper should report the news and not churlish and childish opinion, something that you have then tried to defend by belittling me
I may be old fashioned but i don't deserve to have my opinion rubbished in such a manner because i disagree with your assessment of Dianne Burke

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine, it is just that mine holds more weight because I actually understand the business in which I work, and you clearly don't.
If I was to proffer an opinion on your profession, I am certain it would not be as knowledgeable or pertinent as yours.
What is your profession, by the way?
I happen to agree with you that newspapers contain too much nonsense, but these things are the fault of the readership, not the newspapers - drivel sells.

quality
so it's our fault your paper is shit?

 

[stuart brennan]

Reds use the M.E.N in the argument "is Manchester more blue or red?" By saying that Manchester's main newspaper prefers them. I've had that said to me on a few occasions so it isn't just crazy City fans..

Do they? I have never heard a single Red use that argument, and I have lived my whole life in and around them, including 95 per cent of my family.
However, I have heard, on a million occasions, Utd fans berating us for being pro-City and anti-United.
Have you ever considered the idea that perhaps both you and they are suffering from the same affliction, that you only see the stuff that backs up your opinion?<br /><br />-- Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:44 pm --<br /><br />

"I happen to agree with you that newspapers contain too much nonsense, but these things are the fault of the readership, not the newspapers - drivel sells."

Not sure I can get my head around that comment from Stuart. Is it really true that if the readers by a publication which contains a lot of drivel then it's the readers fault.

TV is another example though I suppose.There is so much garbage on there under the reality show heading which seems to appeal to a lot of folk but it really is garbage.

Same argument. Do you think TV companies put on the X factor, or Big Brother, or any of the rest of the shite, to shape people's lives, or do you think they simply provide what the masses want?
Unfortunately, soaps and reality TV are big draws, and so bring in big advertisers.
Newspapers have gone the same way, they have to print what sells, and what draws in adverts.