Super League Aftermath.

[domalino]

The shameless money grabbing hypocrisy of FIFA holds no bounds. An expectation the most commercially viable (not best) clubs in the world cram in another 6/8 games into their season to accommodate an event almost certainly to be held (mid-season) in despot shitholes

Another person who is furiously against an idea without actually knowing any of the details.

 

[hammocity]

This competition is in 2025. 2029. 2033.

The Euros are in 2024. 2028. 2032.



It really does seem like you're just opposing this for the sake of it if you haven't found out how they're picking the sides, which is in pretty much every article on it, and you don't even know which year it's happening.

My bad on the first point but regardless UEFA and players already oppose it and an intense tournament before a tough season does the domestic season no good whatsoever. Pep said before this season we only played two games because players needed the rest. According to Sky the first tournament could be in the USA so that could mean schlepping many miles to play 7 games, it’s not necessary and there will be opposition to it, why should European teams line the pockets of FIFA?

As for who would participate, you’re so wrong, attached is a quote from Infantino from just over an hour ago.

 

[domalino]

My bad on the first point but regardless UEFA and players already oppose it and an intense tournament before a tough season does the domestic season no good whatsoever. Pep said before this season we only played two games because players needed the rest. According to Sky the first tournament could be in the USA so that could mean schlepping many miles to play 7 games, it’s not necessary and there will be opposition to it, why should European teams line the pockets of FIFA?

As for who would participate, you’re so wrong, attached is a quote from Infantino from just over an hour ago.

It's not "confirmed" but it's been leaked back in Februay, much in the same way we knew this competition was happening months ago before the official announcement.

4x CL winners
4x Europa

4x Libertadores
4x Copa Sudamericana

4x AFC CL
4x CAF CL
4x CONCACAF CL

And the last 4 are going to involve some combination of host country's current league champion, teams from the OFC and maybe a previous winner.

The biggest issue IMO is what happens when you've got repeat winners. Does the losing finalist go instead (which has worked for the Charity Shield for decades) and whether they do groups or a seeded straight KO.

why should European teams line the pockets of FIFA?

Well for a start, they'll be lining their own pockets.

It's scheduled at a time when there's no other football on. With the biggest teams from North America, South America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Europe. It is an advertisers wet dream - literally the model CFG was built on. Have teams in every market for common sponsorship. It's why the World Cup is one of the biggest advertising events in the world. Sponsoring it gets you seen in every country in the world.

A Hypothetical 2022 competition would have had -

Real Madrid, Liverpool, Bayern, Chelsea.
Sevilla, Atletico, Villarreal, Frankfurt.
Palmeiras, Flamengo, Santos, River Plate.
Sao Paolo, Independiente, Athletico Paranese, Defensa y Justica
Monterrey, Guadalajara, Tigres, Seattle Sounders
Al Ahly, Wydad, Kaizer Chiefs, ES Tunis.
Al-Hilal, Ulsan Hyundai, Urawa Red Diamons, Kahshima Antlers.
Auckland City, LAFC, 2 others.

So teams from The UK, Spain, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, the USA, Egypt, Morrocco, South Africa, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan, New Zealand. You think there might be money in advertising to those markets? TV companies might pay to host the only competitive football during the offseason?

Secondly, it's good for the game, and which is ultimately good for them.

European teams are the ones who benefit from global football. The Premier League makes more money selling TV overseas now than domestically. Julian Alvarez, Yaya Touré, Paulo Wanchope etc. didn't just appear in Europe. They had to be developed in their home countries, and putting some money back into those countries is good for everyone.


And scrapping the confederations cup and old club world cup to not make this effect the calendar more is a really sensible way to go about it.

 

[aguero93:20]

It's not "confirmed" but it's been leaked back in Februay, much in the same way we knew this competition was happening months ago before the official announcement.

4x CL winners
4x Europa

4x Libertadores
4x Copa Sudamericana

4x AFC CL
4x CAF CL
4x CONCACAF CL

And the last 4 are going to involve some combination of host country's current league champion, teams from the OFC and maybe a previous winner.

The biggest issue IMO is what happens when you've got repeat winners. Does the losing finalist go instead (which has worked for the Charity Shield for decades) and whether they do groups or a seeded straight KO.



Well for a start, they'll be lining their own pockets.

It's scheduled at a time when there's no other football on. With the biggest teams from North America, South America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Europe. It is an advertisers wet dream - literally the model CFG was built on. Have teams in every market for common sponsorship. It's why the World Cup is one of the biggest advertising events in the world. Sponsoring it gets you seen in every country in the world.

A Hypothetical 2022 competition would have had -

Real Madrid, Liverpool, Bayern, Chelsea.
Sevilla, Atletico, Villarreal, Frankfurt.
Palmeiras, Flamengo, Santos, River Plate.
Sao Paolo, Independiente, Athletico Paranese, Defensa y Justica
Monterrey, Guadalajara, Tigres, Seattle Sounders
Al Ahly, Wydad, Kaizer Chiefs, ES Tunis.
Al-Hilal, Ulsan Hyundai, Urawa Red Diamons, Kahshima Antlers.
Auckland City, LAFC, 2 others.

So teams from The UK, Spain, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, the USA, Egypt, Morrocco, South Africa, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan, New Zealand. You think there might be money in advertising to those markets? TV companies might pay to host the only competitive football during the offseason?

Secondly, it's good for the game, and which is ultimately good for them.

European teams are the ones who benefit from global football. The Premier League makes more money selling TV overseas now than domestically. Julian Alvarez, Yaya Touré, Paulo Wanchope etc. didn't just appear in Europe. They had to be developed in their home countries, and putting some money back into those countries is good for everyone.


And scrapping the confederations cup and old club world cup to not make this effect the calendar more is a really sensible way to go about it.

Very harsh on Real Madrid making them play 4 times the games every other team plays.

 

[Beaker]

It's not "confirmed" but it's been leaked back in Februay, much in the same way we knew this competition was happening months ago before the official announcement.

4x CL winners
4x Europa

4x Libertadores
4x Copa Sudamericana

4x AFC CL
4x CAF CL
4x CONCACAF CL

And the last 4 are going to involve some combination of host country's current league champion, teams from the OFC and maybe a previous winner.

The biggest issue IMO is what happens when you've got repeat winners. Does the losing finalist go instead (which has worked for the Charity Shield for decades) and whether they do groups or a seeded straight KO.



Well for a start, they'll be lining their own pockets.

It's scheduled at a time when there's no other football on. With the biggest teams from North America, South America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Europe. It is an advertisers wet dream - literally the model CFG was built on. Have teams in every market for common sponsorship. It's why the World Cup is one of the biggest advertising events in the world. Sponsoring it gets you seen in every country in the world.

A Hypothetical 2022 competition would have had -

Real Madrid, Liverpool, Bayern, Chelsea.
Sevilla, Atletico, Villarreal, Frankfurt.
Palmeiras, Flamengo, Santos, River Plate.
Sao Paolo, Independiente, Athletico Paranese, Defensa y Justica
Monterrey, Guadalajara, Tigres, Seattle Sounders
Al Ahly, Wydad, Kaizer Chiefs, ES Tunis.
Al-Hilal, Ulsan Hyundai, Urawa Red Diamons, Kahshima Antlers.
Auckland City, LAFC, 2 others.

So teams from The UK, Spain, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, the USA, Egypt, Morrocco, South Africa, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan, New Zealand. You think there might be money in advertising to those markets? TV companies might pay to host the only competitive football during the offseason?

Secondly, it's good for the game, and which is ultimately good for them.

European teams are the ones who benefit from global football. The Premier League makes more money selling TV overseas now than domestically. Julian Alvarez, Yaya Touré, Paulo Wanchope etc. didn't just appear in Europe. They had to be developed in their home countries, and putting some money back into those countries is good for everyone.


And scrapping the confederations cup and old club world cup to not make this effect the calendar more is a really sensible way to go about it.

I think I’m in your camp on this one. Normally anything that FIFA, UEFA et al propose, I’d be furiously against, a World Cup every two years was a joke of an idea for example and it was uncomfortable seeing UEFA portrayed as the good guys during the Super League debacle, but with regards to this I think it could have legs. I’d be interested to read their plans for revenue distribution and qualification for this competition. If it’s just a way of entrenching the already wealthy elite in their positions but to line FIFA’s pockets rather than UEFA as well then I’d be against it. If however there is to be a more proportional revenue distribution mechanism and genuine competition to qualify then it could be better than the Champions League.

I guess I’m saying I’d be willing to hear them out on this.

 

[dublinblue12]

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It's not "confirmed" but it's been leaked back in Februay, much in the same way we knew this competition was happening months ago before the official announcement.

4x CL winners
4x Europa

4x Libertadores
4x Copa Sudamericana

4x AFC CL
4x CAF CL
4x CONCACAF CL

And the last 4 are going to involve some combination of host country's current league champion, teams from the OFC and maybe a previous winner.

The biggest issue IMO is what happens when you've got repeat winners. Does the losing finalist go instead (which has worked for the Charity Shield for decades) and whether they do groups or a seeded straight KO.



Well for a start, they'll be lining their own pockets.

It's scheduled at a time when there's no other football on. With the biggest teams from North America, South America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Europe. It is an advertisers wet dream - literally the model CFG was built on. Have teams in every market for common sponsorship. It's why the World Cup is one of the biggest advertising events in the world. Sponsoring it gets you seen in every country in the world.

A Hypothetical 2022 competition would have had -

Real Madrid, Liverpool, Bayern, Chelsea.
Sevilla, Atletico, Villarreal, Frankfurt.
Palmeiras, Flamengo, Santos, River Plate.
Sao Paolo, Independiente, Athletico Paranese, Defensa y Justica
Monterrey, Guadalajara, Tigres, Seattle Sounders
Al Ahly, Wydad, Kaizer Chiefs, ES Tunis.
Al-Hilal, Ulsan Hyundai, Urawa Red Diamons, Kahshima Antlers.
Auckland City, LAFC, 2 others.

So teams from The UK, Spain, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, the USA, Egypt, Morrocco, South Africa, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan, New Zealand. You think there might be money in advertising to those markets? TV companies might pay to host the only competitive football during the offseason?

Secondly, it's good for the game, and which is ultimately good for them.

European teams are the ones who benefit from global football. The Premier League makes more money selling TV overseas now than domestically. Julian Alvarez, Yaya Touré, Paulo Wanchope etc. didn't just appear in Europe. They had to be developed in their home countries, and putting some money back into those countries is good for everyone.


And scrapping the confederations cup and old club world cup to not make this effect the calendar more is a really sensible way to go about it.

A couple of games might be good fun to watch but will anyone give a fuck outside of their respective continents if it ends up a final of Seattle Sounders vs Wydad

What a load of bollocks

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

It's not "confirmed" but it's been leaked back in Februay, much in the same way we knew this competition was happening months ago before the official announcement.

4x CL winners
4x Europa

4x Libertadores
4x Copa Sudamericana

4x AFC CL
4x CAF CL
4x CONCACAF CL

And the last 4 are going to involve some combination of host country's current league champion, teams from the OFC and maybe a previous winner.

The biggest issue IMO is what happens when you've got repeat winners. Does the losing finalist go instead (which has worked for the Charity Shield for decades) and whether they do groups or a seeded straight KO.



Well for a start, they'll be lining their own pockets.

It's scheduled at a time when there's no other football on. With the biggest teams from North America, South America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Europe. It is an advertisers wet dream - literally the model CFG was built on. Have teams in every market for common sponsorship. It's why the World Cup is one of the biggest advertising events in the world. Sponsoring it gets you seen in every country in the world.

A Hypothetical 2022 competition would have had -

Real Madrid, Liverpool, Bayern, Chelsea.
Sevilla, Atletico, Villarreal, Frankfurt.
Palmeiras, Flamengo, Santos, River Plate.
Sao Paolo, Independiente, Athletico Paranese, Defensa y Justica
Monterrey, Guadalajara, Tigres, Seattle Sounders
Al Ahly, Wydad, Kaizer Chiefs, ES Tunis.
Al-Hilal, Ulsan Hyundai, Urawa Red Diamons, Kahshima Antlers.
Auckland City, LAFC, 2 others.

So teams from The UK, Spain, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Mexico, the USA, Egypt, Morrocco, South Africa, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Japan, New Zealand. You think there might be money in advertising to those markets? TV companies might pay to host the only competitive football during the offseason?

Secondly, it's good for the game, and which is ultimately good for them.

European teams are the ones who benefit from global football. The Premier League makes more money selling TV overseas now than domestically. Julian Alvarez, Yaya Touré, Paulo Wanchope etc. didn't just appear in Europe. They had to be developed in their home countries, and putting some money back into those countries is good for everyone.


And scrapping the confederations cup and old club world cup to not make this effect the calendar more is a really sensible way to go about it.

Clearly there is no time in the football calendar for this. And if there was, why would anyone let FIFA run it.

A no on principle from me. FIFA are the worst. Clubs should just agree collectively to say no. (I suspect the dangling of cash will mean this won't happen).

 

[domalino]

Clearly there is no time in the football calendar for this. And if there was, why would anyone let FIFA run it.

A no on principle from me. FIFA are the worst. Clubs should just agree collectively to say no. (I suspect the dangling of cash will mean this won't happen).

This takes up less time in the calendar the the current club world cup and confederations cup which they're binning to create this, so there is time. That's just not an argument.

 

[domalino]

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A couple of games might be good fun to watch but will anyone give a fuck outside of their respective continents if it ends up a final of Seattle Sounders vs Wydad

What a load of bollocks

If Seattle Sounders and Wydad managed to knock out Real Madrid, Chelsea, Liverpool, Bayern, Atletico, Sao Paolo, Pameiras etc on their way to the final I would watch the hell out of it.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

This takes up less time in the calendar the the current club world cup and confederations cup which they're binning to create this, so there is time. That's just not an argument.

How can that be true? Currently the club WC is one European team and they have to make up the time. If this is out of season then it's adding to the calendar. It's a shit load of extra games.

It's an absolute no from me. FIFA are corrupt to the core. Just no.