Superbia Membership

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

I am probably going full circle but the farce with this scheme is:
The majority of those who have been offered it 6k plus points could get a ticket for any away game with out this scheme so why introduce it?
Yes add added incentives for people to increase there points but only by offering more points for the less attractive games (Brum away during the week) Fulham away on a sunday when live on sky etc

if you went to every game this season, which included 21 cup games, you would have spent 1800 quid approx, city are looking to cash in on the balance.

there is no reward, just an angle to get even more cash out of loyal fans.

it will backfire, because they are in very real danger of actually alienating the most committed supporters.

city have been blinkered by pound signs, and forgot what loyalty is about, all our group think it is dreadful and every one i have spoken to thinks it is dreadful.

If they are making about 700 quid on a thousand superbia tickets what difference is £700,000 going to make in the big scheme of things when they are in the market for £30,000,000 players? I just dont see it as "cashing in" - I cannot see what they hope to gain by doing it but it is not cashing in - QPR is cashing in.

Of course, you are correct.

The scale of the losses currently being made at City and the out goings over the last two years make meeting the FFP regulations through purely traditional means (ie: fan revenue) or the owners making a return through traditional means virtually impossible.

(Not that that sto[s loads of City fans mindlessly using either of those two reasons as excuses for milking the fans of every penny possible until the pips squeak)

Imo, the reason for this drive over the last two seasons is that certain people near the top of the club cannot justify their position if they cannot significantly increase the revenue that they get from the fans. Or in other words, milk the fans dry.

Forget it being about FFP or the club being "a business" that needs to make returns (no serious business, interested in serious profit) would entertain the traditional football model on offer at MCFC).

Both of those are virtually unrelated to season ticket prices. The season ticket prices at City could be £200 each or £900 each and it would barely make a dent in FFP or the owners prospects in making a return on their investment.

It is all about the club, and certain people at the club, being able to say that they are maximising the money they can extract from the fanbase. For little reason other than being able to show that they can.

It wouldn't be so bad if the people at the centre of it were not the same people who are on a sustained PR drive to make out that they are "fan's men"

 

[Uwes Grandad]

Did anyone on here end up getting one of these?

 

[Dubai Blue]

It's remarkable just how badly this whole thing was thought out. Would it really be too much to ask for the suits to run barmy ideas such of this past a few seasoned supporters before publicly making complete arses out of themselves?

 

[awaydayblue]

know a couple of Blues who said they were buyin em, also a Blue who's missus went down to buy it him as a present, but he politely declined it because he didn't agree with the way its been done, and the direction in which the club (and Mr.Cook in particular) are trying to take this. It is a form of corporate ticket when all is said and done, and if they can sell enough, it will severely restrict tickets going to fans where the allocation is less than 1,000. As a fan who attends every competitive game, I just hope common sense prevails and we dont have a situation whereby fat cats buy them up, with no intention of doing all the games, and we are left with gaps of empty seats at certain away games (note Club Wembley - how it is rarely, if ever, filled, whatever the occasion).

 

[Project]

if you went to every game this season, which included 21 cup games, you would have spent 1800 quid approx, city are looking to cash in on the balance.

there is no reward, just an angle to get even more cash out of loyal fans.

it will backfire, because they are in very real danger of actually alienating the most committed supporters.

city have been blinkered by pound signs, and forgot what loyalty is about, all our group think it is dreadful and every one i have spoken to thinks it is dreadful.

If they are making about 700 quid on a thousand superbia tickets what difference is £700,000 going to make in the big scheme of things when they are in the market for £30,000,000 players? I just dont see it as "cashing in" - I cannot see what they hope to gain by doing it but it is not cashing in - QPR is cashing in.

Of course, you are correct.

The scale of the losses currently being made at City and the out goings over the last two years make meeting the FFP regulations through purely traditional means (ie: fan revenue) or the owners making a return through traditional means virtually impossible.

(Not that that sto[s loads of City fans mindlessly using either of those two reasons as excuses for milking the fans of every penny possible until the pips squeak)

Imo, the reason for this drive over the last two seasons is that certain people near the top of the club cannot justify their position if they cannot significantly increase the revenue that they get from the fans. Or in other words, milk the fans dry.

Forget it being about FFP or the club being "a business" that needs to make returns (no serious business, interested in serious profit) would entertain the traditional football model on offer at MCFC).

Both of those are virtually unrelated to season ticket prices. The season ticket prices at City could be £200 each or £900 each and it would barely make a dent in FFP or the owners prospects in making a return on their investment.

It is all about the club, and certain people at the club, being able to say that they are maximising the money they can extract from the fanbase. For little reason other than being able to show that they can.

It wouldn't be so bad if the people at the centre of it were not the same people who are on a sustained PR drive to make out that they are "fan's men"

Did you actually work out the numbers before you posted this nonsense?

£200 * 47,000 = £9.4m
£900 * 47,000 = £42.m

£30m+ in extra match day revenue makes a huge impact in our ability to be compliant with the FFPR.

Our losses last year after a huge spending spree was £120m. We aren't going to need to spend so big on players in the coming 3 years, so you can assume that at some point that loss after normal operations will decline significantly. Perhaps to half that amount.

Add in a couple of friendly deals for the naming of the stadium and perhaps the leisure attraction. Let's say, £30m? All of a sudden that extra £30m in match day income you laugh off as insignificant covers the remaining loss.

Uniteds match day revenue is £100m. Now there is no way we can get to that with our current fan base, both from a numbers perspective and affluence. Long term who knows? But what it does show is that we are miles behind on this type of revenue, and I can't blame the top brass at the club for looking to maximise what we currently bring in. Their job is to make the club competitive whilst adhering to FFPR. We will be neither if we continue to only bring in £18m a year at the gate.

 

[tonycoleman]

Who on here has been offered this and how many points do you have and will you be taking up the invite??

I have and have 7720 points and have not missed a competitive game since Gillingham Away in April 2002 but i will not be taking up the Superbia invite but will be doing the Platinum Membership

Go for a Disturbia Membership instead - you get to see every Rhiannah concert home or away?

 

[VOOMER]

I reckon it will be £3000 next year, so I have already allocated £252 a month from now onwards.

 

[MCFC-alan88]

I love City as much as anyone, but I just can't justify spending that amount of money on football, it's ludicrous.

 

[M18CTID]

If they are making about 700 quid on a thousand superbia tickets what difference is £700,000 going to make in the big scheme of things when they are in the market for £30,000,000 players? I just dont see it as "cashing in" - I cannot see what they hope to gain by doing it but it is not cashing in - QPR is cashing in.

Of course, you are correct.

The scale of the losses currently being made at City and the out goings over the last two years make meeting the FFP regulations through purely traditional means (ie: fan revenue) or the owners making a return through traditional means virtually impossible.

(Not that that sto[s loads of City fans mindlessly using either of those two reasons as excuses for milking the fans of every penny possible until the pips squeak)

Imo, the reason for this drive over the last two seasons is that certain people near the top of the club cannot justify their position if they cannot significantly increase the revenue that they get from the fans. Or in other words, milk the fans dry.

Forget it being about FFP or the club being "a business" that needs to make returns (no serious business, interested in serious profit) would entertain the traditional football model on offer at MCFC).

Both of those are virtually unrelated to season ticket prices. The season ticket prices at City could be £200 each or £900 each and it would barely make a dent in FFP or the owners prospects in making a return on their investment.

It is all about the club, and certain people at the club, being able to say that they are maximising the money they can extract from the fanbase. For little reason other than being able to show that they can.

It wouldn't be so bad if the people at the centre of it were not the same people who are on a sustained PR drive to make out that they are "fan's men"

Did you actually work out the numbers before you posted this nonsense?

£200 * 47,000 = £9.4m
£900 * 47,000 = £42.m

£30m+ in extra match day revenue makes a huge impact in our ability to be compliant with the FFPR.

Our losses last year after a huge spending spree was £120m. We aren't going to need to spend so big on players in the coming 3 years, so you can assume that at some point that loss after normal operations will decline significantly. Perhaps to half that amount.

Add in a couple of friendly deals for the naming of the stadium and perhaps the leisure attraction. Let's say, £30m? All of a sudden that extra £30m in match day income you laugh off as insignificant covers the remaining loss.

Uniteds match day revenue is £100m. Now there is no way we can get to that with our current fan base, both from a numbers perspective and affluence. Long term who knows? But what it does show is that we are miles behind on this type of revenue, and I can't blame the top brass at the club for looking to maximise what we currently bring in. Their job is to make the club competitive whilst adhering to FFPR. We will be neither if we continue to only bring in £18m a year at the gate.

Great post and bang on the money IMO.

It's a shame that clowns like JMA don't seem remotely capable of grasping any of this, and while I accept that the Superbia membership is somewhat ill thought out what can't be dismissed is that with the onset of the FFPR the club are going to have to come up with all manner of ideas in order to comply with the regs. Contrary to what some fans think, I don't believe the club is hell-bent on pricing out/forcing out the core support base - more a case that they're trying to maximise revenue from all factions of our support without bankrupting them in the process.

If the club didn't care for the less well-off amongst our support then why have they again offered value seasoncards at £260 a pop? In fact, if the stadium is to be expanded my guess is that a greater number of these types of value seasoncards will become available while at the other end of the spectrum there will be more corporate facilities and hence more income from that side of things.

 

[CC1]

Of course, you are correct.

The scale of the losses currently being made at City and the out goings over the last two years make meeting the FFP regulations through purely traditional means (ie: fan revenue) or the owners making a return through traditional means virtually impossible.

(Not that that sto[s loads of City fans mindlessly using either of those two reasons as excuses for milking the fans of every penny possible until the pips squeak)

Imo, the reason for this drive over the last two seasons is that certain people near the top of the club cannot justify their position if they cannot significantly increase the revenue that they get from the fans. Or in other words, milk the fans dry.

Forget it being about FFP or the club being "a business" that needs to make returns (no serious business, interested in serious profit) would entertain the traditional football model on offer at MCFC).

Both of those are virtually unrelated to season ticket prices. The season ticket prices at City could be £200 each or £900 each and it would barely make a dent in FFP or the owners prospects in making a return on their investment.

It is all about the club, and certain people at the club, being able to say that they are maximising the money they can extract from the fanbase. For little reason other than being able to show that they can.

It wouldn't be so bad if the people at the centre of it were not the same people who are on a sustained PR drive to make out that they are "fan's men"

Did you actually work out the numbers before you posted this nonsense?

£200 * 47,000 = £9.4m
£900 * 47,000 = £42.m

£30m+ in extra match day revenue makes a huge impact in our ability to be compliant with the FFPR.

Our losses last year after a huge spending spree was £120m. We aren't going to need to spend so big on players in the coming 3 years, so you can assume that at some point that loss after normal operations will decline significantly. Perhaps to half that amount.

Add in a couple of friendly deals for the naming of the stadium and perhaps the leisure attraction. Let's say, £30m? All of a sudden that extra £30m in match day income you laugh off as insignificant covers the remaining loss.

Uniteds match day revenue is £100m. Now there is no way we can get to that with our current fan base, both from a numbers perspective and affluence. Long term who knows? But what it does show is that we are miles behind on this type of revenue, and I can't blame the top brass at the club for looking to maximise what we currently bring in. Their job is to make the club competitive whilst adhering to FFPR. We will be neither if we continue to only bring in £18m a year at the gate.

Great post and bang on the money IMO.

It's a shame that clowns like JMA don't seem remotely capable of grasping any of this, and while I accept that the Superbia membership is somewhat ill thought out what can't be dismissed is that with the onset of the FFPR the club are going to have to come up with all manner of ideas in order to comply with the regs. Contrary to what some fans think, I don't believe the club is hell-bent on pricing out/forcing out the core support base - more a case that they're trying to maximise revenue from all factions of our support without bankrupting them in the process.

If the club didn't care for the less well-off amongst our support then why have they again offered value seasoncards at £260 a pop? In fact, if the stadium is to be expanded my guess is that a greater number of these types of value seasoncards will become available while at the other end of the spectrum there will be more corporate facilities and hence more income from that side of things.

So good to read some sensible posts on this thread. Why do some fans have this persection complex re any initiatives taken by the Club? It is normal to try and improve both ends of the income range - and as stated above, this is what the club is doing by offering the £250 tickets and the Superbia membership.

We are not being forced to buy anything - it's just an offer and frankly, some people might like to 'be part of' the Superbia Membership and good luck to them. If we continue to think along the lines that we can only do things for the less well off fans, then we'll sink to the Wigan and Bolton mentality and I for one don't want that. If the more 'well off' fans (and I am not one of them) can help the clubs income then let them....it helps everyone in the long run.

We need to get to the stage where tickets are hard to get hold of - it means we've made it into being one of the top clubs in the World....

-- Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:24 pm --

2 invites, 2 in the dustbin.

great to know 10 years of loyalty, going everywhere, will be rewarded by city giving 1st refusal on away tickets to those with money.

also if you get a ticket for every home game, the cost os different say from someone getting an invite in the family stand compared to colin bell level 2.

season tickets havnt been thought though enough at all, if city get to a cup final next year will juniors be entitled to go on their parent points, if so, little point in getting a kid a platinum ticket.

people with kids cannot get value cards, so the cheap offer isn't extended to those who need the most help.

single blokes snap up the value cards, the people with the most disposable income.

double loyalty points for watching the same thing, whats that all about.

as you can tell i think it is all bullshit.

So short sighted some people.....the club has got to sell more tickets....did you see how many empty seats there were at most of the cup games? Tell me why the Superbia package will stop you getting cup tickets??<br /><br />-- Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:28 pm --<br /><br />

2 invites, 2 in the dustbin.

great to know 10 years of loyalty, going everywhere, will be rewarded by city giving 1st refusal on away tickets to those with money.

also if you get a ticket for every home game, the cost os different say from someone getting an invite in the family stand compared to colin bell level 2.

season tickets havnt been thought though enough at all, if city get to a cup final next year will juniors be entitled to go on their parent points, if so, little point in getting a kid a platinum ticket.

people with kids cannot get value cards, so the cheap offer isn't extended to those who need the most help.

single blokes snap up the value cards, the people with the most disposable income.

double loyalty points for watching the same thing, whats that all about.

as you can tell i think it is all bullshit.

I don't understand this argument.

Surely by definition if you have enough loyalty points to be offered this package, you're not exactly skint in the first place and hence can afford to pay for the package? Or do you devote your life solely to living hand-to-mouth to afford your city away days [and if this is the case, fair play to you but I personally think that's an odd decision to take].

In summary. No one with 7000+ loyalty points should be able to play the "city are pricing us out" card, because by definition you spend many thousands of pounds supporting city anyway.

Exactly - good post... some 'loyal' fans moaning for moaning's sake. What's your definition of loyal? Someone who goes to the games and is always criticising the club or someone who goes to the games and isn't constantly barracking every move the club makes to improve itself