Taking our Owners for Granted!

Machiavelli said:
I'm sure they are running around looking for a leaving present for Yaya and the receipt for Sterling. ;-)
I wouldn't necessarily say this forum and the views expressed here are 100% inline with ones shared by blues when you see them and chat at the ground. Bluemoon is hardly unified as far as opinion is concerned - we can't even agree on muffin or barm.
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If decisions reflected the match going fan base then Mancini would never have been sacked!
 
moomba said:
Are people specifically complaining about the owner now?

I wouldnt have thought so. More complaining about certain aspects of how the club has been run, this is something thats happened often on here over the past three or four years.
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The notion of salami slicing our criticisms is wide of the mark. When the other Sheikhs are taking the piss out of Mansour for a £60m expansion when season card holders leave seats empty, our Sheikh will see this as a personal criticism because pride is extremely important in Arabia!
 
Mr HJ said:
Spot on response to the 3 items. I would add that City prior to Soriano were fairly poor in terms of corporate identity and in maximising revenues. It is not his job to engage with fans - but he has elevated us to another level - to be the sixth highest earners in football globally is an amazing achievement and he has led his team well. Garry Cook was polar opposite but in some ways he tried too hard to be one of the boys - entertaining, yes but wholly successful, not really. Access to fans is an odd one and something that Pep will help achieve. I like most am excited to see a fresh approach to footballing matters as the off field matters will take care of themselves. It amazed me how quickly Pellegrini lost a lot of support after a decent start to his City journey. Although dignified to the media, I felt he was poor in his match preparation and his lack of flexibility during poor spells of form - this proved to be the nail in the coffin for me and a lot of fans.

Lastly -To answer the thread topic, I think the owner is fully appreciated by most fans, but I wouldn't lose any sleep about him moving on or for that matter him worrying about opinions - his investment has tripled and will only increase as we progress on the global stage.
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The Sheikh's investment hasn't trebled. As a rough guide, the Club is worth what Mansour has invested!
 
Chippy_boy said:
In many ways. Leeds were one of our biggest rivals for many years and I used to hate it when we (usually) lost to them. What's happened to them over the past 20 years could so very easily have been us.
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That's right! I would just add that a number of owners (Makin and Wardle etc) put in a few million each year that helped us along until the Sheikh arrived. Leeds didn't really have Board members ready to invest much of their own money!
 
manctheknife said:
Agree with hilts et al......when I get a pay rise I don't bow down to the directors every time our paths cross...I assume it is because I'm making them money, not that they have rewarded me out of some sort of largesse to Mrs manctheknife and all the little manctheknives. ..It is a business investment.
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What a strange analogy!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The Chinese investment valued the group at £2bn. Mansour has invested about £1.2bn.
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Thanks PB. I was thinking about our owners investment in the local community too but I guess they might make money on that too eventually as house prices rise etc!

In addition, I have come round to the view that Point of Blue was a worthwhile endeavour!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The Chinese investment valued the group at £2bn. Mansour has invested about £1.2bn.
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Come on mate, as a financial person though you know full well the Chinese paid over the odds for their share! Yes it may be sound investment for the future but right now you know the club isn't worth £2bn! It seems you're trying to downplay our owners financial investment for your own agenda.
 
bugsyblue said:
Come on mate, as a financial person though you know full well the Chinese paid over the odds for their share! Yes it may be sound investment for the future but right now you know the club isn't worth £2bn! It seems you're trying to downplay our owners financial investment for your own agenda.
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It wasn't over-valued. There is another, quite scientific method of valuing football clubs called the Markham Multivariate Model. He did this for all PL clubs at the end of last season but he made a mistake on ours by assuming that the stadium was rented and had no capital value. He was wrong, as we run the stadium under a finance lease and it's therefore effectively a capital asset. When you run the figures on that basis, the valuation is very close to £2bn. And something is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
The Sheikh's investment hasn't trebled. As a rough guide, the Club is worth what Mansour has invested!
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I believe taking into account all global brands you will find that if he were to capitalise his stake (as in the 13% that was sold to the Chinese as a guide) he would make significant gains. The City footballing group is valued at over £2bn, then add the agreements in place with Manchester City Council plus all the spin offs from other clubs in the group and the amounts become staggering. Plus the group was purchased with a specific aim of putting Abu Dhabi on the global football map. The Sheikh and his advisors are very shrewd, and he would never lose out with any of his investments - wish I had a few shares! Bit like the money he made helping out Barclays. Money makes money.
 
Pity helped those bastards at barclays. Only thing I can disagree with him over.
 
Mr HJ said:
I believe taking into account all global brands you will find that if he were to capitalise his stake (as in the 13% that was sold to the Chinese as a guide) he would make significant gains. The City footballing group is valued at over £2bn, then add the agreements in place with Manchester City Council plus all the spin offs from other clubs in the group and the amounts become staggering. Plus the group was purchased with a specific aim of putting Abu Dhabi on the global football map. The Sheikh and his advisors are very shrewd, and he would never lose out with any of his investments - wish I had a few shares! Bit like the money he made helping out Barclays. Money makes money.
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All this may be true but surely we should be thankful as his main goal was to give mancunians a pleasant Saturday afternoon
 
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