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[Pigeonho]

unless he qualified it with something like "in recent history", then it just sounds like a typical ignorant comment served up by a clueless arsenal fan - in which case it is bollocks

Okeedoke.

Nice one.

Did we not rival for trophies in the 50/60/70's?

You're just digging now. Why would he talk about that when the point he's making is that we have only recently become rivals for trophies now, or rivals for trophies again then if that makes it easier to understand? Challenging for things in the 50's, 60's and 70's means zilch in what we are challenging for now.

 

[Rammyblues]

I have not heard it, but from what I can see off here it is yet another example of a presenter believing that football began with the premiership. Easy mistake to make for those under the age of 30. :-)

 

[Groke]

Okeedoke.

Nice one.

Did we not rival for trophies in the 50/60/70's?

You're just digging now. Why would he talk about that when the point he's making is that we have only recently become rivals for trophies now, or rivals for trophies again then if that makes it easier to understand? Challenging for things in the 50's, 60's and 70's means zilch in what we are challenging for now.

The key part that was missed and the point I am making - typical of the "no history" remarks of your average scouse, arse, spurs etc fans.

 

[Lucky13]

I heard Parlour say it and didn't think anything of it.

 

[Pigeonho]

Nice one.

Did we not rival for trophies in the 50/60/70's?

You're just digging now. Why would he talk about that when the point he's making is that we have only recently become rivals for trophies now, or rivals for trophies again then if that makes it easier to understand? Challenging for things in the 50's, 60's and 70's means zilch in what we are challenging for now.

The key part that was missed and the point I am making - typical of the "no history" remarks of your average scouse, arse, spurs etc fans.

You're taking it too literal. If you went on radio and got into a discussion, there is every chance you might say something that is interpreted the way you have interpreted what Parlour said. It was crystal clear what he meant, if you didn't look into it word for word.

 

[marcoboogers]

Honest question to the people that listen, have a gripe, then listen again, why do it? This isn't me having a pop, its a genuine question.

 

[manchester blue]

You're just digging now. Why would he talk about that when the point he's making is that we have only recently become rivals for trophies now, or rivals for trophies again then if that makes it easier to understand? Challenging for things in the 50's, 60's and 70's means zilch in what we are challenging for now.

The key part that was missed and the point I am making - typical of the "no history" remarks of your average scouse, arse, spurs etc fans.

You're taking it too literal. If you went on radio and got into a discussion, there is every chance you might say something that is interpreted the way you have interpreted what Parlour said. It was crystal clear what he meant, if you didn't look into it word for word.

Exactly. Arguing over minor semantics is quite silly. In any 24 hour talk radio station someone will say something whilst not meaning it literally most reasonable people would understand the point.

 

[chesterguy]

The issue is there are a lot of "mistakes" made by so called experts and pundits when it comes to City. I believe there is a general view of down playing City and at the same time bigging up our rivals. I can understand it as our rivals have more established fanbases and so are more likely to tune in or phone in than those of us who support City

To deny that these things don't exist though is naïve in my opinion. Until City have established themselves over a number of years it will be the way and I don't think Sky will ever change as they make too much money on their tie in with United.

It has been shown that no recent City player or anyone that would be thought of as City through and through is used as a pundit whereas other teams have plenty as been seen in other threads

Is it important to us fans...no is it important to the club then I would say yes as they are trying to change perceptions and attitudes and the stereotypical comments like those of Parlour reinforce those attitudes

 

[Pigeonho]

The issue is there are a lot of "mistakes" made by so called experts and pundits when it comes to City. I believe there is a general view of down playing City and at the same time bigging up our rivals. I can understand it as our rivals have more established fanbases and so are more likely to tune in or phone in than those of us who support City

To deny that these things don't exist though is naïve in my opinion. Until City have established themselves over a number of years it will be the way and I don't think Sky will ever change as they make too much money on their tie in with United.

It has been shown that no recent City player or anyone that would be thought of as City through and through is used as a pundit whereas other teams have plenty as been seen in other threads

Is it important to us fans...no is it important to the club then I would say yes as they are trying to change perceptions and attitudes and the stereotypical comments like those of Parlour reinforce those attitudes

Do you think Parlour was given instructions to say 'recently challenging with United' instead of 'recently challenging for trophies again with United'? Or do you think it was just a general way of him saying what his point was? I got his point because it's clear as day what he meant. He meant we have only recently been challenging United for trophies, with the 'again' being missed out. It can't even be a slip of the tongue as it's that much of a nothing. If people think he was trying to do City down then I would say that people are vvery thin-skinned and that the paranoia is alive and well.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The issue is there are a lot of "mistakes" made by so called experts and pundits when it comes to City. I believe there is a general view of down playing City and at the same time bigging up our rivals. I can understand it as our rivals have more established fanbases and so are more likely to tune in or phone in than those of us who support City

To deny that these things don't exist though is naïve in my opinion. Until City have established themselves over a number of years it will be the way and I don't think Sky will ever change as they make too much money on their tie in with United.

It has been shown that no recent City player or anyone that would be thought of as City through and through is used as a pundit whereas other teams have plenty as been seen in other threads

Is it important to us fans...no is it important to the club then I would say yes as they are trying to change perceptions and attitudes and the stereotypical comments like those of Parlour reinforce those attitudes

Well said mate.

 

[The Future's Blue]

I think the point here is that a presenter who has access to a wide audience dismissed our history out of hand. A very flippant comment that showed his own personal viewing of us. As a player, he probably had this view, that City are a nothing in the big scheme of things and could be brushed aside, as nobody cared.

In this current climate, the view is completely different and it's the player who is living in the past and has not brought his view up to date.

The fact that he's given a mass audience to spout his nonsense is all down to TS whereas the player is just another of the long line of no-nothings brought in to please the majority listener. They no little outside their own era.

 

[Pigeonho]

I think the point here is that a presenter who has access to a wide audience dismissed our history out of hand. A very flippant comment that showed his own personal viewing of us. As a player, he probably had this view, that City are a nothing in the big scheme of things and could be brushed aside, as nobody cared.

In this current climate, the view is completely different and it's the player who is living in the past and has not brought his view up to date.

The fact that he's given a mass audience to spout his nonsense is all down to TS whereas the player is just another of the long line of no-nothings brought in to please the majority listener. They no little outside their own era.

How many people in the predictions threads have said this:
'Spurs are now a genuine contender for top 4', or something along those lines? Does the fact that nobody has said 'Spurs are now a genuine contender for top 4 again' mean that they are ignoring the fact they were there 3 seasons ago, or is it just because they are talking about the here and now with absolutely no intentions of dismissing that recent top 4 finish?
That is what Parlour did this morning, and I would say this is the only forum on the planet where people would have such a moan about something so trivial. It is an innocent a comment as you will ever hear and I doubt for one second that Parlour actually was dismissing any history we have, because the conversation isn't about then it's actually about now, and what we are doing now is challenging United for trophies. That is all it is.

 

[The Future's Blue]

I think the point here is that a presenter who has access to a wide audience dismissed our history out of hand. A very flippant comment that showed his own personal viewing of us. As a player, he probably had this view, that City are a nothing in the big scheme of things and could be brushed aside, as nobody cared.

In this current climate, the view is completely different and it's the player who is living in the past and has not brought his view up to date.

The fact that he's given a mass audience to spout his nonsense is all down to TS whereas the player is just another of the long line of no-nothings brought in to please the majority listener. They no little outside their own era.

How many people in the predictions threads have said this:
'Spurs are now a genuine contender for top 4', or something along those lines? Does the fact that nobody has said 'Spurs are now a genuine contender for top 4 again' mean that they are ignoring the fact they were there 3 seasons ago, or is it just because they are talking about the here and now with absolutely no intentions of dismissing that recent top 4 finish?
That is what Parlour did this morning, and I would say this is the only forum on the planet where people would have such a moan about something so trivial. It is an innocent a comment as you will ever hear and I doubt for one second that Parlour actually was dismissing any history we have, because the conversation isn't about then it's actually about now, and what we are doing now is challenging United for trophies. That is all it is.

Why are you getting so hooked up on protecting an ex-Arsenal players views and how do you know what he actually meant? You sound as though you need help mate, you seem to be defending anything and everything that is said against City.

As for your analogy, how many people have said Spurs were always in the lower divisions?

No need to answer, it's no good debating an issue without any give or take, it just comes across as people butting heads.

 

[chesterguy]

Pigeonho you have made it very clear in a number of threads that you do not feel that there is a "witch-hunt" or "conspiracy" or called it what you will against the club and I respect your view and that you think that those who do are "paranoid"

I think that the media is a powerful weapon that can be used to strongly influence hearts, minds and souls. You only have to read the viewpoint from the Newcastle fan in the preview of the match to understand the misconception and misunderstanding of what the club is doing and what it is trying to achieve

The negative stereotypical posing of pundits and journalists reach a nationwide audience and do nothing to help the cause of the club. As I say as fans it doesn't matter as we support the club anyway but for the club I do believe it doesn't help position the club where it would like to be

 

[Pigeonho]

I think the point here is that a presenter who has access to a wide audience dismissed our history out of hand. A very flippant comment that showed his own personal viewing of us. As a player, he probably had this view, that City are a nothing in the big scheme of things and could be brushed aside, as nobody cared.

In this current climate, the view is completely different and it's the player who is living in the past and has not brought his view up to date.

The fact that he's given a mass audience to spout his nonsense is all down to TS whereas the player is just another of the long line of no-nothings brought in to please the majority listener. They no little outside their own era.

How many people in the predictions threads have said this:
'Spurs are now a genuine contender for top 4', or something along those lines? Does the fact that nobody has said 'Spurs are now a genuine contender for top 4 again' mean that they are ignoring the fact they were there 3 seasons ago, or is it just because they are talking about the here and now with absolutely no intentions of dismissing that recent top 4 finish?
That is what Parlour did this morning, and I would say this is the only forum on the planet where people would have such a moan about something so trivial. It is an innocent a comment as you will ever hear and I doubt for one second that Parlour actually was dismissing any history we have, because the conversation isn't about then it's actually about now, and what we are doing now is challenging United for trophies. That is all it is.

Why are you getting so hooked up on protecting an ex-Arsenal players views and how do you know what he actually meant? You sound as though you need help mate, you seem to be defending anything and everything that is said against City.

As for your analogy, how many people have said Spurs were always in the lower divisions?

No need to answer, it's no good debating an issue without any give or take, it just comes across as people butting heads.

As many posts as I put like I do, there are a hundred more which counter my opinion. That is the point of the forum, isn't it? To discuss? You notice mine because they stand out more because i'm in the minority of believing there is no huge conspiracy, but that doesn't make the majority or the minority right, it just means we're discussing it. Now is that ok with you?
Also, it's nothing to do with defending an ex Arsenal player as I couldn't care less who it is or who he played for, the fact as far as I can see it is that he said what he said with no intentional malice to discredit our history, he was merely talking about the here and now and if the poodle-haired one was on this forum i'm sure he would say that was the case. That still wouldn't be enough for some though. Now, is it ok if I carry on discussing such things?<br /><br />-- Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:52 pm --<br /><br />

Pigeonho you have made it very clear in a number of threads that you do not feel that there is a "witch-hunt" or "conspiracy" or called it what you will against the club and I respect your view and that you think that those who do are "paranoid"

I think that the media is a powerful weapon that can be used to strongly influence hearts, minds and souls. You only have to read the viewpoint from the Newcastle fan in the preview of the match to understand the misconception and misunderstanding of what the club is doing and what it is trying to achieve

The negative stereotypical posing of pundits and journalists reach a nationwide audience and do nothing to help the cause of the club. As I say as fans it doesn't matter as we support the club anyway but for the club I do believe it doesn't help position the club where it would like to be

A PL title, an FA Cup, a Charity Shield, 1 great manager and the ability to attract another, as well as brilliant players from far and wide - I would say the club is in an excellent position, and that's not even including the recent sponsors who have come on-board. If there is some great conspiracy out there, it's not really doing it's job, is it?

 

[west didsblue]

I don't think there is a conspiracy amongst pundits to belittle us. I only mentioned Parlour's comment in the first place as I thought it was a particularly dopy thing to say that we were always in lower divisions until recently, when in fact we've been in the top flight for 84 out of 110 years and never been out for more than 4 consecutive years. Following this comment he went on to tip us for the title and praised the team and manager.

 

[Uwes Grandad]

I heard what was said by Ray Parlour and didnt for one minute think that he was having a go at us the fans or the club in general.
Like it or not, we have not been anywhere near United until recently and we haven't challenged for trophies whereas they have won everything there is to win.
When Wolves, Blackpool and Preston are being discussed, should it always be mentioned that they used to challenge for honours?
A lot of blues want to find fault with the media whenever and wherever when they should be just getting behind the team.
If there is a blatant witch hunt then flag it up by all means but lets be honest, what was said on TalkSPORT was nothing and the response has been a major overreaction yet again.

 

[chesterguy]

How many people in the predictions threads have said this:
'Spurs are now a genuine contender for top 4', or something along those lines? Does the fact that nobody has said 'Spurs are now a genuine contender for top 4 again' mean that they are ignoring the fact they were there 3 seasons ago, or is it just because they are talking about the here and now with absolutely no intentions of dismissing that recent top 4 finish?
That is what Parlour did this morning, and I would say this is the only forum on the planet where people would have such a moan about something so trivial. It is an innocent a comment as you will ever hear and I doubt for one second that Parlour actually was dismissing any history we have, because the conversation isn't about then it's actually about now, and what we are doing now is challenging United for trophies. That is all it is.

Why are you getting so hooked up on protecting an ex-Arsenal players views and how do you know what he actually meant? You sound as though you need help mate, you seem to be defending anything and everything that is said against City.

As for your analogy, how many people have said Spurs were always in the lower divisions?

No need to answer, it's no good debating an issue without any give or take, it just comes across as people butting heads.

As many posts as I put like I do, there are a hundred more which counter my opinion. That is the point of the forum, isn't it? To discuss? You notice mine because they stand out more because i'm in the minority of believing there is no huge conspiracy, but that doesn't make the majority or the minority right, it just means we're discussing it. Now is that ok with you?
Also, it's nothing to do with defending an ex Arsenal player as I couldn't care less who it is or who he played for, the fact as far as I can see it is that he said what he said with no intentional malice to discredit our history, he was merely talking about the here and now and if the poodle-haired one was on this forum i'm sure he would say that was the case. That still wouldn't be enough for some though. Now, is it ok if I carry on discussing such things?

-- Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:52 pm --

Pigeonho you have made it very clear in a number of threads that you do not feel that there is a "witch-hunt" or "conspiracy" or called it what you will against the club and I respect your view and that you think that those who do are "paranoid"

I think that the media is a powerful weapon that can be used to strongly influence hearts, minds and souls. You only have to read the viewpoint from the Newcastle fan in the preview of the match to understand the misconception and misunderstanding of what the club is doing and what it is trying to achieve

The negative stereotypical posing of pundits and journalists reach a nationwide audience and do nothing to help the cause of the club. As I say as fans it doesn't matter as we support the club anyway but for the club I do believe it doesn't help position the club where it would like to be

A PL title, an FA Cup, a Charity Shield, 1 great manager and the ability to attract another, as well as brilliant players from far and wide - I would say the club is in an excellent position, and that's not even including the recent sponsors who have come on-board. If there is some great conspiracy out there, it's not really doing it's job, is it?

I have never said there is a "conspiracy" nor for the record am I "paranoid" What I have stated is that the media constantly reinforce a negative stereotypical image of "moneybags" City

How many times have we read about Liverpool doing things "the Liverpool way" implying the right way how many times have we heard about United and there wonderful "youth system"

Now I realise that does not affect us as fans and of course it will not affect professionals within football such as players managers and corporate sponsors but the media is not trying to influence those people it is trying to influence the masses and this does affect City. The reason is that if we had a much more positive image of City portrayed about City in the media it would help to accelerate the worldwide appeal of City to fans

Now I know many "die-hard loyal true blue I was at York away" City fans may not like it but the club is trying to grow its fan-base worldwide and the negative perceptions reinforced and propagated within the media will not help that growth. I am not saying we wont get there because we will it just could be made quicker and easier

What one presenter, pundit or journalist writes in itself will not harm City its the drip drip constant stereotyping of the club that is not helping City. If anyone thinks that any publicity is better than none needs to do a google search of Ratners

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If anyone thinks that any publicity is better than none needs to do a google search of Ratners

Crap!

 

[Pigeonho]

Why are you getting so hooked up on protecting an ex-Arsenal players views and how do you know what he actually meant? You sound as though you need help mate, you seem to be defending anything and everything that is said against City.

As for your analogy, how many people have said Spurs were always in the lower divisions?

No need to answer, it's no good debating an issue without any give or take, it just comes across as people butting heads.

As many posts as I put like I do, there are a hundred more which counter my opinion. That is the point of the forum, isn't it? To discuss? You notice mine because they stand out more because i'm in the minority of believing there is no huge conspiracy, but that doesn't make the majority or the minority right, it just means we're discussing it. Now is that ok with you?
Also, it's nothing to do with defending an ex Arsenal player as I couldn't care less who it is or who he played for, the fact as far as I can see it is that he said what he said with no intentional malice to discredit our history, he was merely talking about the here and now and if the poodle-haired one was on this forum i'm sure he would say that was the case. That still wouldn't be enough for some though. Now, is it ok if I carry on discussing such things?

-- Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:52 pm --

Pigeonho you have made it very clear in a number of threads that you do not feel that there is a "witch-hunt" or "conspiracy" or called it what you will against the club and I respect your view and that you think that those who do are "paranoid"

I think that the media is a powerful weapon that can be used to strongly influence hearts, minds and souls. You only have to read the viewpoint from the Newcastle fan in the preview of the match to understand the misconception and misunderstanding of what the club is doing and what it is trying to achieve

The negative stereotypical posing of pundits and journalists reach a nationwide audience and do nothing to help the cause of the club. As I say as fans it doesn't matter as we support the club anyway but for the club I do believe it doesn't help position the club where it would like to be

A PL title, an FA Cup, a Charity Shield, 1 great manager and the ability to attract another, as well as brilliant players from far and wide - I would say the club is in an excellent position, and that's not even including the recent sponsors who have come on-board. If there is some great conspiracy out there, it's not really doing it's job, is it?

I have never said there is a "conspiracy" nor for the record am I "paranoid" What I have stated is that the media constantly reinforce a negative stereotypical image of "moneybags" City

How many times have we read about Liverpool doing things "the Liverpool way" implying the right way how many times have we heard about United and there wonderful "youth system"

Now I realise that does not affect us as fans and of course it will not affect professionals within football such as players managers and corporate sponsors but the media is not trying to influence those people it is trying to influence the masses and this does affect City. The reason is that if we had a much more positive image of City portrayed about City in the media it would help to accelerate the worldwide appeal of City to fans

Now I know many "die-hard loyal true blue I was at York away" City fans may not like it but the club is trying to grow its fan-base worldwide and the negative perceptions reinforced and propagated within the media will not help that growth. I am not saying we wont get there because we will it just could be made quicker and easier

What one presenter, pundit or journalist writes in itself will not harm City its the drip drip constant stereotyping of the club that is not helping City. If anyone thinks that any publicity is better than none needs to do a google search of Ratners

Ha, yet just a few threads down people are moaning about the influx of such global fans.
All I would say if it is going on is, do we want fans who are swayed by such nonsense? I would say no. For every person who would read or listen to such bollocks and turn away, there will be plenty more who decide to follow us for whatever reason they choose.