Teachers to strike?

[SWP's back]

30th June :-)

You see, there's a really good discussion going on and what that post does it let people know you only care about civil disobedience.

For te record, I also support the strike but feel the public won't.

 

[Blue Smarties]

30th June :-)

You see, there's a really good discussion going on and what that post does it let people know you only care about civil disobedience.

For te record, I also support the strike but feel the public won't.

No it doesn't, what it does is shows you read too much into a simple little post.

 

[SWP's back]

30th June :-)

You see, there's a really good discussion going on and what that post does it let people know you only care about civil disobedience.

For te record, I also support the strike but feel the public won't.

No it doesn't, what it does is shows you read too much into a simple little post.

So you just enjoy the height of summer? Fair enough

 

[Blue Smarties]

You see, there's a really good discussion going on and what that post does it let people know you only care about civil disobedience.

For te record, I also support the strike but feel the public won't.

No it doesn't, what it does is shows you read too much into a simple little post.

So you just enjoy the height of summer? Fair enough

I enjoy that people are taking a stance against the Government. I also like the nice weather summer sometimes brings, yes.

 

[JuniorBlue]

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[Ducado]

Francis Maude has been saying this will hurt working single mothers. Cecil Parkinson was unavailable for comment.

Seriously, you can't make pension promises to police officers, teachers, nurses and other civil servants then rip them up when you want to save money. And as for laying people off then asking for volunteers to do the work, they can kiss my arse.

Enjoy while it lasts Cameron. Your party will not see power again for a generation.

I do wonder why you think the Tories won't see power for a generation? They are going about it the right way, front loading the pain in order to reap the gains by the next election, even Ed Balls has realised that, they will get another two terms (on their own) teachers and other public sector workers going on strike for something the rest of the population has been denied (thanks to a huge tax grab by Brown) plays right in to their hands, they are almost inviting them to strike

very perceptive Ducado
i met a minister back in June last year and was privvy to him telling the group that basically went along the lines of they wanted a 'major confrontation' with the teachers

Of course they do, and the rest of the public sector, because they know it's a battle they can't lose in terms of support from the voting public, I do sometimes wonder if the the stories about Union leaders been tory plants are true, they certainley act like it.

I don't actually agree with cutting the pensions of existing members, however there is a problem with public sector pensions, and that is the pot is empty and has been for a long time, more outgoings than income, and who makes up the short fall?

Joe Public! Part of your council tax goes towards local authority pension liabilities, which is not fair by any way shape or means

 

[kronkonite]

peddling crap again- for fuck s sake thepublic pension pots are properly funded and healthy

 

[metalblue]

peddling crap again- for fuck s sake thepublic pension pots are properly funded and healthy

When you say they are "funded" do you mean the pensions have had the forecast liability costed? By healthy are you saying they are affordable to current and future tax payers?

 

[SWP's back]

peddling crap again- for fuck s sake thepublic pension pots are properly funded and healthy

You keep saying this but it is simply not true. Care to put forward a source?

 

[foxy]

@foxy

Yes teachers do earn higher than the average wage
But then again they do have a degree and a post grad qualification, therefore a minimum of four years at a higher education establishment

At least we have got somewhere now, you accepting that the lies you spouted were your opinion
I agree, you are fully entitled to an opinion on any matter, but you dressed up them up as facts, hence the abuse as your 'facts' are plainly incorrect bollocks, but your true opinion

I can live with your opinions, just can't stand your twisted logic

PS my b(w)anker crack was aimed at the bankers who fucked up, not all workers
Either it was too subtle or you are a banker

And you've shown your true feelings today, it's all personal as all teachers you know are 'well off', so fucking what? All the doctors and dentists I know are well off, and quite rightly too. Don't be so jealous of others, instead, if the job's so easy, become a teacher and be well of with billions of weeks holiday
I know of very few workers who are not allowed to take leave if they desire it

It wasn't bollocks I was spouting, if it was then the pensions reforms wouldn't be going ahead.

Teaching isn't the only profession where you have to attend university for 4 years. I was at university for four years and have a good degree but I don't see it as a right to be earning a lot of money. I have learnt that work experience has become a lot more valuable than just having a degree. Also teachers receive some form of grant when working during their degree, I'm pretty certain they recieve payment whilst on their placements and for certain subjects they receive a 'golden hello'. I believe 30k is more than enough to live off up north especially after attending university. Teaching isn't the only profession where workers work hard for their salary.

I am not jelous of others what so ever. Doctors and Dentists should be well off as should those in the forces, police and fire brigade as they do a good job and have put the work in.

I just think the actions of the TUC is totally uneccessary to strike before discussions have even ended. I couldn't give a fuck how other teachers are doing I went to school with, I am just stating what's right based on fact and that is that is teachers receive better pensions than many private sector workers. The strike action will lose a lot of support for teachers from the public. It's a slight taste of the real world for many in the public sector as they have been immune to financial worry and hardship which the self employed and retail workers have had to put up with.

And where are your facts?! Prove to me that the teachers pensions under the new reform aren't going to be generous compared to other schemes.

It's a fact that the pensions schemes teachers have are more generous than pensions and everybody knows that. They still will be with the reforms in place. All pension benefits that were earned before any reforms are introduced, including retirement ages and final salary benefits, will be protected. As for upping the retirement age, why should teachers be exempt from that?! The population is ageing due to improved healthcare and better living standards. So the pension age HAS to be put up. Danny Alexander said..

"That case is simple. People are living much longer - the average 60 year old is living ten years longer now than they did in the 70s. This advance comes at a price. It is unjustifiable to ask the taxpayer to work longer and pay more so that public sector workers can retire earlier and receive more themselves."

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I just don't believe that figure is accurate. The info I've found from the ONS is that the average wage for a male in the UK is about 27K. The average wage for a teacher is about 30K.

he's right
The starting salary for a teacher is about £21000, so he would start below the national average and be so for a number of years

You have to start on a low salary in most professions, it isn't just teachers. I was only much lower when I started out, and it was easy to live off.