Teachers to strike?

[117 M34]

@foxy

Yes teachers do earn higher than the average wage
But then again they do have a degree and a post grad qualification, therefore a minimum of four years at a higher education establishment

At least we have got somewhere now, you accepting that the lies you spouted were your opinion
I agree, you are fully entitled to an opinion on any matter, but you dressed up them up as facts, hence the abuse as your 'facts' are plainly incorrect bollocks, but your true opinion

I can live with your opinions, just can't stand your twisted logic

PS my b(w)anker crack was aimed at the bankers who fucked up, not all workers
Either it was too subtle or you are a banker

And you've shown your true feelings today, it's all personal as all teachers you know are 'well off', so fucking what? All the doctors and dentists I know are well off, and quite rightly too. Don't be so jealous of others, instead, if the job's so easy, become a teacher and be well of with billions of weeks holiday
I know of very few workers who are not allowed to take leave if they desire it

It wasn't bollocks I was spouting, if it was then the pensions reforms wouldn't be going ahead.

Teaching isn't the only profession where you have to attend university for 4 years. I was at university for four years and have a good degree but I don't see it as a right to be earning a lot of money. I have learnt that work experience has become a lot more valuable than just having a degree. Also teachers receive some form of grant when working during their degree, I'm pretty certain they recieve payment whilst on their placements and for certain subjects they receive a 'golden hello'. I believe 30k is more than enough to live off up north especially after attending university. Teaching isn't the only profession where workers work hard for their salary.

I am not jelous of others what so ever. Doctors and Dentists should be well off as should those in the forces, police and fire brigade as they do a good job and have put the work in.

I just think the actions of the TUC is totally uneccessary to strike before discussions have even ended. I couldn't give a fuck how other teachers are doing I went to school with, I am just stating what's right based on fact and that is that is teachers receive better pensions than many private sector workers. The strike action will lose a lot of support for teachers from the public. It's a slight taste of the real world for many in the public sector as they have been immune to financial worry and hardship which the self employed and retail workers have had to put up with.

And where are your facts?! Prove to me that the teachers pensions under the new reform aren't going to be generous compared to other schemes.

It's a fact that the pensions schemes teachers have are more generous than pensions and everybody knows that. They still will be with the reforms in place. All pension benefits that were earned before any reforms are introduced, including retirement ages and final salary benefits, will be protected. As for upping the retirement age, why should teachers be exempt from that?! The population is ageing due to improved healthcare and better living standards. So the pension age HAS to be put up. Danny Alexander said..

"That case is simple. People are living much longer - the average 60 year old is living ten years longer now than they did in the 70s. This advance comes at a price. It is unjustifiable to ask the taxpayer to work longer and pay more so that public sector workers can retire earlier and receive more themselves."

-- Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:47 am --

I just don't believe that figure is accurate. The info I've found from the ONS is that the average wage for a male in the UK is about 27K. The average wage for a teacher is about 30K.

he's right
The starting salary for a teacher is about £21000, so he would start below the national average and be so for a number of years

You have to start on a low salary in most professions, it isn't just teachers. I was only much lower when I started out, and it was easy to live off.

I didn't revieve a penny when on placement or as a golden hello.

Just out of interest, if your bosses decided to make your pension scheme less valuable and you had to pay more into it, would you just accept that without questioning it?

 

[Cheesy]

@foxy

Yes teachers do earn higher than the average wage
But then again they do have a degree and a post grad qualification, therefore a minimum of four years at a higher education establishment

At least we have got somewhere now, you accepting that the lies you spouted were your opinion
I agree, you are fully entitled to an opinion on any matter, but you dressed up them up as facts, hence the abuse as your 'facts' are plainly incorrect bollocks, but your true opinion

I can live with your opinions, just can't stand your twisted logic

PS my b(w)anker crack was aimed at the bankers who fucked up, not all workers
Either it was too subtle or you are a banker

And you've shown your true feelings today, it's all personal as all teachers you know are 'well off', so fucking what? All the doctors and dentists I know are well off, and quite rightly too. Don't be so jealous of others, instead, if the job's so easy, become a teacher and be well of with billions of weeks holiday
I know of very few workers who are not allowed to take leave if they desire it

It wasn't bollocks I was spouting, if it was then the pensions reforms wouldn't be going ahead.

Teaching isn't the only profession where you have to attend university for 4 years. I was at university for four years and have a good degree but I don't see it as a right to be earning a lot of money. I have learnt that work experience has become a lot more valuable than just having a degree. Also teachers receive some form of grant when working during their degree, I'm pretty certain they recieve payment whilst on their placements and for certain subjects they receive a 'golden hello'. I believe 30k is more than enough to live off up north especially after attending university. Teaching isn't the only profession where workers work hard for their salary.

I am not jelous of others what so ever. Doctors and Dentists should be well off as should those in the forces, police and fire brigade as they do a good job and have put the work in.

I just think the actions of the TUC is totally uneccessary to strike before discussions have even ended. I couldn't give a fuck how other teachers are doing I went to school with, I am just stating what's right based on fact and that is that is teachers receive better pensions than many private sector workers. The strike action will lose a lot of support for teachers from the public. It's a slight taste of the real world for many in the public sector as they have been immune to financial worry and hardship which the self employed and retail workers have had to put up with.

And where are your facts?! Prove to me that the teachers pensions under the new reform aren't going to be generous compared to other schemes.

It's a fact that the pensions schemes teachers have are more generous than pensions and everybody knows that. They still will be with the reforms in place. All pension benefits that were earned before any reforms are introduced, including retirement ages and final salary benefits, will be protected. As for upping the retirement age, why should teachers be exempt from that?! The population is ageing due to improved healthcare and better living standards. So the pension age HAS to be put up. Danny Alexander said..

"That case is simple. People are living much longer - the average 60 year old is living ten years longer now than they did in the 70s. This advance comes at a price. It is unjustifiable to ask the taxpayer to work longer and pay more so that public sector workers can retire earlier and receive more themselves."

-- Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:47 am --

he's right
The starting salary for a teacher is about £21000, so he would start below the national average and be so for a number of years

You have to start on a low salary in most professions, it isn't just teachers. I was only much lower when I started out, and it was easy to live off.

I didn't revieve a penny when on placement or as a golden hello.

Just out of interest, if your bosses decided to make your pension scheme less valuable and you had to pay more into it, would you just accept that without questioning it?

That's exactly what much of the private sector has been having to do for years.

 

[Blue Maverick]

@tueartsboots I'm not too sure on those facts tbh mate, I would find it unusual if they did but as in previous strikes if a call came through and it's a definite cert to be life threatening then lads did turn out, I think you maybe be right on the leasing of vehicles in London and a few 'scabs' manned them.

Found the story
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11663993" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11663993</a>

Cover during the strike was supplied by private firm AssetCo, which signed a £9m seven-year deal with LFB last year.

It was using 27 fire engines and 170 contract workers.

LFB said protesters stopped fire engines entering some fire stations, but this did not affect the stand-in crews' handling of 999 calls.

Thanks for that trouble is those contract workers will be firefighters on strike I presume, others wise they wouldn't be able to keep their skills up to standard, also the strike they did stopped what the management were trying to do, so strikes do work, GMC are currently in same situation at the moment, so don't be surprised if the same goes on up here shortly, only up here there is no cover.

 

[tueartsboots]

@tueartsboots I'm not too sure on those facts tbh mate, I would find it unusual if they did but as in previous strikes if a call came through and it's a definite cert to be life threatening then lads did turn out, I think you maybe be right on the leasing of vehicles in London and a few 'scabs' manned them.

Found the story
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11663993" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11663993</a>

Cover during the strike was supplied by private firm AssetCo, which signed a £9m seven-year deal with LFB last year.

It was using 27 fire engines and 170 contract workers.

LFB said protesters stopped fire engines entering some fire stations, but this did not affect the stand-in crews' handling of 999 calls.

Thanks for that trouble is those contract workers will be firefighters on strike I presume, others wise they wouldn't be able to keep their skills up to standard, also the strike they did stopped what the management were trying to do, so strikes do work, GMC are currently in same situation at the moment, so don't be surprised if the same goes on up here shortly, only up here there is no cover.

Found their website
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.assetco.com/careers.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.assetco.com/careers.aspx</a>

AssetCo Fire and Rescue would be pleased to hear from experienced fire and rescue service personnel who would be interested in working with us in support of our International Fire and Rescue Services business.

We are particularly interested in hearing from those individuals who have achieved the role of station manager or above, and we would welcome interest from those with operational or training experience in Local Authority, Aviation or Defence Fire and Rescue Service Provision.

 

[mancitymick]

Next time you go on strike please thank all the members of the Armed Forces who did their best to cover your jobs. For me it cost me about 4k through missing a promotional course. As long as you lot think it is OK i am happy..HONEST. And reference MOANING in the forces you are correct. if someone in the forces is not moaning we know there is a problem. 12 years in the RAF, spent more time in a bath :)

Ye but you wouldn't have done it if you weren't ordered to, next time we go on strike there won't be any cover anyway I already know this from my mates in the RAF also Green Goddesses have been sold/scrapped. And don't believe all the bull about forces people saving people on the strikes, firefighters broke picket lines to do that. And as regards spending more time in the bath, it's nice to see how they are treating the guys now, no re engagements, redundancy etc, nothing like loyalty is there, I saw it coming in 2000 cutbacks etc more overseas detachments been used and abused and that's why I got out, now I have a chance to stand up for myself and if that means strike action so be it.

If I remember correctly, the last time LFB took strike action, they still maintained the pumps and had a crew ready at all times in case of major incidents. The only things that were affected were home checks, school visits ie non-urgent scheduled tasks. Also heard the LFB don't OWN any engines, they are leased from a private company.

But it still cost me 4K, Hence my love of Fire Fighters!!

 

[squirtyflower]

@foxy
I'm no longer replying to your posts as they are inaccurate, lacking in coherence and not following any logical pattern from anything put to you

But quoting complete dickheads and reposting shite as truth is so jejune

 

[kronkonite]

sustainable affordable properly funded

Antagonistic tory lies in a blizzard of bullshit keep on coming to befuddle the masses.

 

[SWP's back]

sustainable affordable properly funded

Antagonistic tory lies in a blizzard of bullshit keep on coming to befuddle the masses.

Now I know you're on the wind up.

Still nothing to back up your ramblings in 3 days of posting

 

[kronkonite]

as opposed to tons of crap from years of posting?

sustainable affordable properly managed

 

[law74]

I also personally think they should strike, they will find out just how little public support for them there is! The unions started building a war chest before the results of the last election knowing labour were going to lose, and as that fuckwit bob twatting I'll live in a council house whilst earning 100k a year Cnut crow said we will unleash hell if a conservative govt was elected! The teachers are going to be used for the latest showdown between militant line their own pocket union leaders and a democratically elected government, all be it a coalition! Can't wait to see the dibble bouncing his truncheon off my physics teachers bonce, now there is a twat that deserves it!

So you think that the Police, that are being forced to work longer, pay more and receive less, are going to attack those that are trying to protect their wishes?
This thread is about the Teachers, but it will affect every person in this country as the entire public sector comes to a halt in the autumn unless this comdem alliance see the error of their ways (much like they have done in almost all of their previous ill advised, ill thought out and totally unworkable ploys to sell off public services to their friends in the already rich elite).