Teachers to strike?

[Soulboy]

I simply must laugh at all the posters on here having a pop at the wages being paid to teachers... the outrageous sum of circa £30,000 a year for one of the most important jobs in a civilised society... and the same people are hankering after footbalers on £100,000 a WEEK, and don't see the irony in their stance!

Footballers deserve whatever they are paid, because we are in a free market.

But the same principle applies to teachers.

If the know-nowts on here think it's easy money and too many holidays, then get off your arses and dump that McDonalds cap, and get yourself a job as a teacher.

It's what the free market is all about.

I don't see the average pay as outrageous, nor do I hanker after footballers.
The strike isn't about pay. It's about pension contributions.
However, UK teachers are well payed in global terms yet ofsted states 1/2 UK schools are failing their students. UK academic standards are average in global terms and poor with regard to poorer families.

Teachers pensions are untenable and disproportionate. The unions fear a more competitive market that realistic public sector pensions will bring which is why they are striking on principle. It's their right to do it and it's the publics right to show their feelings. In the end teachers in the public sector are employees of the state and therefore the tax payer and the tax payer's response to the strike will dictate the governments stance.

no it isn't
teachers pension contributions have been steadily rising since 2007 and are set to continue for the next three years
they are striking because the government want to change the conditions of the pension:
when you can claim it, what percentage you'll get and what kind of salary it will be based on


ps when you gonna get me that NUT flyer?
but all of those without consultation

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

So many of them certain of their facts, yet so many of them actually clueless.

Thank fuck I didn't go to the schools they went to... ;-))

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I simply must laugh at all the posters on here having a pop at the wages being paid to teachers... the outrageous sum of circa £30,000 a year for one of the most important jobs in a civilised society... and the same people are hankering after footbalers on £100,000 a WEEK, and don't see the irony in their stance!

Footballers deserve whatever they are paid, because we are in a free market.

But the same principle applies to teachers.

If the know-nowts on here think it's easy money and too many holidays, then get off your arses and dump that McDonalds cap, and get yourself a job as a teacher.

It's what the free market is all about.

I don't see the average pay as outrageous, nor do I hanker after footballers.
The strike isn't about pay. It's about pension contributions.
However, UK teachers are well payed in global terms yet ofsted states 1/2 UK schools are failing their students. UK academic standards are average in global terms and poor with regard to poorer families.

Teachers pensions are untenable and disproportionate. The unions fear a more competitive market that realistic public sector pensions will bring which is why they are striking on principle. It's their right to do it and it's the publics right to show their feelings. In the end teachers in the public sector are employees of the state and therefore the tax payer and the tax payer's response to the strike will dictate the governments stance.

no it isn't
teachers pension contributions have been steadily rising since 2007 and are set to continue for the next three years
they are striking because the government want to change the conditions of the pension:
when you can claim it, what percentage you'll get and what kind of salary it will be based on


ps when you gonna get me that NUT flyer?
but all of those without consultation

http://www.teachers.org.uk/files/nut-news-pensions-may-7411.pdf
Regards,
GD

and for those who don't want to click:

Now is the time
VOTE ‘YES’ IN THE BALLOT!
The NUT’s ballot for strike action against the
Government’s plans to cut your pension is under way.
NUT negotiators are working hard to protect your pension.
The NUT ballot gives you a real opportunity to strengthen
their hand.
NUT members are standing together with other unions –
ATL (the Association of Teachers and Lecturers) is also balloting
members, UCU (the University and College Union) has taken
action already and both ASCL (the Association of School and
College Leaders) and NAHT (the National Association of Head
Teachers) are now considering ballots.
Vote ‘YES’ to change the Government’s mind before it
imposes these unnecessary changes to our pensions.
Christine Blower, General Secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said:
“Our pensions are affordable, fair and have already been reformed. Make
sure your colleagues attend workplace meetings and help build union
activity to secure the biggest possible YES vote. Vote ‘YES’ in the ballot!”
BALLOT HOTLINE AND EMAIL
The ballot opened on Tuesday 17 May 2011 and will close at
midday on Tuesday 14 June 2011.
NUT members who do not receive ballot papers by
Monday 23 May should individually contact the Union’s
ballot hotline which will operate from Monday 23 May until
Tuesday 7 June. Phone the hotline between 9am and
5.15pm on 020 7380 6300 or e-mail action@nut.org.uk.
To help us check your membership, please have your NUT
membership number to hand as well as your home address
and school/workplace address with postcodes.
Pay more
Your contributions could go up by more than half.
Work longer
Don’t accept working until you’re 68 for a full
pension.
Get less in retirement
Lower pensions indexation has already been
imposed and further cuts are threatened through
‘career average’ pensions.
Use the NUT pensions loss calculator at
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.teachers.org.uk/pensionscalc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">www.teachers.org.uk/pensionscalc</a> to see how
much you stand to lose.

I highlighted why you're striking as you seem unaware.

 

[squirtyflower]

I don't see the average pay as outrageous, nor do I hanker after footballers.
The strike isn't about pay. It's about pension contributions.
However, UK teachers are well payed in global terms yet ofsted states 1/2 UK schools are failing their students. UK academic standards are average in global terms and poor with regard to poorer families.

Teachers pensions are untenable and disproportionate. The unions fear a more competitive market that realistic public sector pensions will bring which is why they are striking on principle. It's their right to do it and it's the publics right to show their feelings. In the end teachers in the public sector are employees of the state and therefore the tax payer and the tax payer's response to the strike will dictate the governments stance.

no it isn't
teachers pension contributions have been steadily rising since 2007 and are set to continue for the next three years
they are striking because the government want to change the conditions of the pension:
when you can claim it, what percentage you'll get and what kind of salary it will be based on


ps when you gonna get me that NUT flyer?
but all of those without consultation

http://www.teachers.org.uk/files/nut-news-pensions-may-7411.pdf
Regards,
GD

cheers

i hope they're not six years out of date though!

never had any truck with the NUT

 

[SWP's back]

I don't see the average pay as outrageous, nor do I hanker after footballers.
The strike isn't about pay. It's about pension contributions.
However, UK teachers are well payed in global terms yet ofsted states 1/2 UK schools are failing their students. UK academic standards are average in global terms and poor with regard to poorer families.

Teachers pensions are untenable and disproportionate. The unions fear a more competitive market that realistic public sector pensions will bring which is why they are striking on principle. It's their right to do it and it's the publics right to show their feelings. In the end teachers in the public sector are employees of the state and therefore the tax payer and the tax payer's response to the strike will dictate the governments stance.

no it isn't
teachers pension contributions have been steadily rising since 2007 and are set to continue for the next three years
they are striking because the government want to change the conditions of the pension:
when you can claim it, what percentage you'll get and what kind of salary it will be based on


ps when you gonna get me that NUT flyer?
but all of those without consultation

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

So many of them certain of their facts, yet so many of them actually clueless.

Thank fuck I didn't go to the schools they went to... ;-))

Who's they? I tend to feel the last few pages has included some very sensible debate.

 

[thorpeblue]

I also personally think they should strike, they will find out just how little public support for them there is! The unions started building a war chest before the results of the last election knowing labour were going to lose, and as that fuckwit bob twatting I'll live in a council house whilst earning 100k a year Cnut crow said we will unleash hell if a conservative govt was elected! The teachers are going to be used for the latest showdown between militant line their own pocket union leaders and a democratically elected government, all be it a coalition! Can't wait to see the dibble bouncing his truncheon off my physics teachers bonce, now there is a twat that deserves it!

 

[squirtyflower]

@ Gelson's Dad

I can't quote you as the window for my reply won't scroll down

You have me very wrong! I will not be striking on the 30th of June, and I am not a member of the NUT or any other teacher union/association before you ask

Ps
Some union leaders are as thick as daily mail columnists when it comes to rhetoric.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

@ Gelson's Dad

I can't quote you as the window for my reply won't scroll down

You have me very wrong! I will not be striking on the 30th of June, and I am not a member of the NUT or any other teacher union/association before you ask

Ps
Some union leaders are as thick as daily mail columnists when it comes to rhetoric.

;-)

 

[squirtyflower]

@ Gelson's Dad

I can't quote you as the window for my reply won't scroll down

You have me very wrong! I will not be striking on the 30th of June, and I am not a member of the NUT or any other teacher union/association before you ask

Ps
Some union leaders are as thick as daily mail columnists when it comes to rhetoric.

;-)

And I could be telling them more about their pensions than they could ever tell me!

 

[quiet_riot]

I work with Teachers, hell, I even live with one! I'm not one myself, I hasten to add, I'm far too real-world-grounded to be. Generally, teachers live in their own little bubble of importance, and cannot see past the end of their nose.

 

[Blue Smarties]

30th June :-)