Tevez to return (Merged)

Here's a question.

Win the title with Tevez playing

or

Come second with him nowhere near the First team???

Not saying we cant win it without him, nor am I saying we will deffo win it with him in the team. But think a lot of people are not focussing on the bigger picture - WINNING THE LEAGUE
As DeNiro puts it - I want this title so much!!!!
 
summer of 69 said:
Balti said:
Tevez City said:
Exactly.
The mourning for all U*shited fans started two days ago in Rag Cafe when Mancini said Carlos is coming.

'Carlos' my arse
fuck off tevez

You won't be saying that when he destroys United at The Etihad to win us the title. Or would you prefer Dzeko nice but shite for the rest of the season - cos he's really going to win us the league isn't he !!

Well of course Mario is second choice but lets assume hypothetically that the choice was between the Toxic Twat tevez and Edin for a moment:

Hmmmm. Let me see.....

The out of form Edin who has scored in 3 of the last 5 Premier League games including the valuable winner against Wigan; the one that is City's second highest goalscorer; the one that is the Premier League's sixth highest goalscorer; the one that destroyed spurs away; the one that scored two in twenty minutes against the rags at the swamp; the one that scored in the other game he played in against the rags this season.....

OR

the out of the country till today tevez; the tevez who refused to play; the tevez who has handed in multiple transfer requests; the tevez with the never ending wage demands; the tevez who fucked off on holiday with his girlfriend when given dispensation to see his 'much missed' family; the tevez that fucked off to Argentina instead of fulfilling his professional obligations; the tevez that dissed City on national television; the tevez filmed taking the piss out of City with his big fat disco buddy; the tevez that proclaims respect for the rag manager and the old fogies in the rags side; the tevez that put in no effort this season; the tevez that scored no goals at all in 5 games this season; the tevez that has literally been forced to make an appearance at our beloved club; the tevez with the manipulative **** of an agent; the tevez that showed disdain for our club at wembley; the tevez that thankfully will be gone in the summer; the tevez who has completely disrespected our club MCFC

hmmmmmm tough one.......

Dzeko over Tevez every time. Mario x 2. Sergio x 3.

and fuck tevez the toxic little bastard
 
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Always with the scoops, pegamequemegusta. Indeed. Yet we needed a reason to return and the latest instalment to the latest Tevez truth-respect-don’t-ask-me tale, despite being covered in great detail by our compinche Seba García, would be incomplete without our standard yes-but-no-English-media-argh response. Plus it has a video. With subtitles. So bear with us.

Tevez’s account of what happened in Munich reminds us of some of the reasons he’s so loveable. He tells his story well, showing a comic’s sense of timing and, occasionally, the studiously arched brow of a mime. He also displays a Johnny Giles-style totall recall of the events, which boosts his credibility considerably. Few players in recent years combine both his success as a player and his skills as a raconteur. (Messi? Iniesta? Ibrahimovic? Mr Lowe got a good flow out of Xavi alright, but he’s still too nice). This, however, later found us lamenting that we don’t get to hear Carlitos talk much about football anymore.

That is down, of course, to the never-satisfactorily resolved question of his ownership/representation. It’s unquestionable that his career has been messed up by his continued alliance with the snake Joorabchian, whose tendency to hiss in the ear of the directors of whatever club he’s at inevitably brings dudgeon of the highest order. His blindness in this regard over such an extended period, however, means that Tevez himself is responsible. His circle of advisors even seems to be expanding, new ones briefing the media every month. These tend to stand in direct proportion to the sanity of the advised.

(We wonder how things might have been if Tevez had had Jorge Mendez as an agent. Manchester United would almost surely have seen less of a problem with the fee to ‘sign him up’. Similarly, if Liverpool had pegamequemegusta as a scout, they might have Maxi Moralez on the left wing instead of the Downer; Suarez and Evra would probably never have fallen out, two popular South Americans there to mediate – ay but the world would be a happier place).

Nevertheless, the world does not seem a particularly dark place in this interview. Indeed, the Man City bench sounds like an unruly classroom. An unruly classroom, arguably, with an inexperienced teacher quickly losing the rag and lashing out. Tevez’s maturity and professionalism may not be what they should be but his account of Mancini’s behaviour on the sidelines is certainly convincing. Neither behave very well but, we must say, we ended up liking both more.

While Carlitos’ initial list of grievances is petty and somewhat disingenuous, there comes through an image of Mancini as being particularly vindictive. As Tevez says in another part of the interview, the manager is in a stronger position now following the signings of Aguero and Balotelli, and he’s content to have Tevez warm up all season long. Carlitos doesn’t seem to resent it, though. Far from the brooding, ‘bashing’, ‘swiping’ Tevez presented in many quarters, we get the impression that he actually respects (key Tevez term) the fact that Mancini is such a hardass. His smile when recounting the Dzeko-Mancini Bust Up bespeaks genuine fondness for a bit of an auld ruckus. In the Guardian today, however, – never mind the cutting and pasting of quotes to change their order – he is presented as a baby: “Mancini said some horrible things to me”, he said before taking out a hanky. Almost coming to blows with the manager last season he regards as perfectly normal in a dressing room. Mancini is not his teacher after all, and there are few things as retarded as a media apology. Things only get messy, he says, when they’re out in public. That’s when image and standing come into things, stories get twisted, spin spun, and players run.

Saying things in public, hmm. It’s hard to know what Carlitos was thinking exactly when he decided to do this interview, for it clearly wasn’t to make an apology. Even if it was, why would he do so in Argentina? At least one of his 50 representatives surely must have pointed out the English media’s tendency to twist and deform the message and the tone, when their errors don’t just stem from laziness and incompetence. (The supposedly highbrow, high standard, noble Guardian is arguably the worst in this regard; they should know better).

No, Tevez most likely decided on his own, aslways, that he wanted to ‘tell the truth’, be honest in his usual hands-up, bemused manner. Even if he’s not particularly contrite, shall we say, neither do we think the interview contains as much scandal as some have claimed. More than anything else, it gives us an intriguing insight into the relationship between Tevez and Mancini, one that, given the character of each, we reckon could really work if given a(nother) chance. Neither are PR men.

The interview is arguably as interesting for what is not said as it is for Carlitos’ colourful account of events that night in Munich on the world’s most expensive bench. There are aspects to Tevez’s frankly silly career of the last few years, however, which go far beyond this sordid affair and which are never probed by anyone. Fernando Niembro, the interviewer, does a fine job here keeping him on track, coaching him through the story and, strangely enough, even trying to get a tamer version at times (“You were surprised?” instead of “You were pissed off?”). He’s a chummy, jocular fellow is our Niembro; he likes to be mates with his interviewees (we recall a memorable pre-WC interview with el Diego where the two are strolling around a pitch, with cones and everything). He does not press much, however. He does not seek to get to the bottom of Tevez’s problems. These, in our opinion, besides the Joorabchian stuff, appear to have gotten worse.

Carlitos has clearly never ‘adapted’ to life in England, repeatedly stating his desire to leave over the last year and a half. We struggle to have sympathy in that regard, however, and his new baby’s illness last year notwithstanding, most of his problems (such as breaking up with his missus) seem to be of his own making. Yet his revelation last August that in the Copa América (where played prett-ty badly and missed the penalty that saw Argentina knocked out) he had gone on a binge where he was so anxious he could not stop eating must give pause for thought. He gained five kilos in a few weeks – not the behaviour of a man in his right mind. Again, his own problem, but it seems rather foolish on the part of City if, buoyed by new signings, spiteful perhaps at perceived slights past and eager to assert themselves after several years of not being taken seriously at all and even suffering a few humiliations (Kaká, Robinho, etc.), they neglected him because, as he says, he was no longer indispensable. No doubt the changes in the club’s hierarchy had something to do with it, but it was arguably a inopportune time to start getting tough.

Too often with Tevez, the narrative is that of the charming wisecracker from the hood (over here) or the brooding, egotistical simpleton (over there). In this interview we get a fine example of the former but Niembro doesn’t try to go any deeper. It’s a shame as pegamequemegusta reckons that a different interviewer – an Andy Kusnetzoff, for example – could have done a lot more for Tevez. The inane, PR-orientated question of an apology would never have arisen. We might have got a real insight into what this guy’s all about and the root of his destructive tendencies. Such are the limits of sports journalism, however, never mind the bollocks the newspapers print.

Here’s the most interesting part of the interview. Let us know what you think. And try to find the part where he says Mancini treated him as a dog…

Part 2:

Dear handsome, oh so lonely fellows, welcome back on this VD day. After spending the post earlier today complaining about meeja laziness and sloppiness, it was brought to our attention that one of our barbs at the Guardian was incorrect: we had accused them of fabricating a quote by paraphrasing the gist of what Tevez had said, which we’ve caught them doing before. The line in question, which we have since removed, was “The club statement protected the manager.” The quote originally came from the on-the-fly translation of our esteemed colleague @MundoAlbicelest. He did not enjoy the comfort – and, indeed, the shocking indolence – that allowed us to listen back a few times.

The difference is minimal but important; it’s a subtle difference. We were convinced the original quote was not accurate as it seemed surlier than his demeanour in the rest of the interview. It turned out it appears right after the video we put subtitles to, so lovingly, ended. So what could we do to rectify the situation? Simply remove the line after a whopping pub-at-eleven-in-the-morning-ful of people had read it? No, a retraction was necessary, a retraction and a clarification. So, wallowing in our own free time, we found the audio in question and scribbled out the transcript for you. An act of love.

- So after that, they decide to fine you and you make a certain decision, no?

- Yeah, well I was okay with the fine but we still had to sort out how I was going to come back to the club. ‘Cause the manager wouldn’t even look at me. And I was worried, too, about how I looked in all this, as I was getting knocked around by everyone, everyone was having a go. In England, In Argentina, even in China, for jaysus’ sake. So I said: ‘Look i’m an employee of the club, just as Mancini is. You have to look after me just as much as you do him, as another employee of the club.’ But Mancini had said something that wasn’t true so the club was between a rock and a hard place. “If we go and say that Mancini lied, he might have to step aside.” That’s when I fell out with the directors, with the club management, ’cause they were saying that they weren’t going to put that in the statement. The thing about the statement was it had to find a way of saying that I hadn’t refused to play but that I had refused to warm up, all the while protecting the manager, without saying straight out ‘No, Carlitos didn’t refuse to play’.

- Now, Carlitos, you’re a guy who’s been playing football your whole life, who’s always wanted to play, so I imagine what was bothering you was - whatever about the personalities involved or the club – was that there was this unresolved conflict. It looked as if you had refused to play but what you were really annoyed about was this situation which hadn’t been cleared up properly.

- Yeah, that’s what I was annoyed about. The fine didn’t matter, nor did the suspension. I don’t care about two weeks wages. Just tell people the truth. Nothing else. But they weren’t able to do that.

- That’s when you decide to come back to Argentina. You think about your family, your loved ones. Just like all the players abroad who want to play there but are always thinking about Argentina. And apart from everything else, you surely wanted your people here to know what had really happened.

- Yeah, and besides that, just leaving the house in Manchester, to bring Flor to school, meant having five journalists following me. I’d go for a round of golf and there were ten more in every hole. I couldn’t live a normal life as it was all ‘Where’s Carlos Tevez? What’s Tevez up to?’ And then training 20 or 30 days with the reserves, with the youth players, 14 and 15 year olds. The kids were looking at me and they couldn’t believe what was going on.

- More autographs than training, I imagine.

- The team would train in the morning and when they were leaving at one i’d just be arriving. It’d be uncomfortable for anyone, no? So all that stuff, plus the fact I wasn’t in a good way, meant I came back here.

- So you came back here to get away from the situation over there and spend time with your family here.

- Yeah, but imagine I left without even telling anyone from the club. I was getting different legal papers, summonses, every day. I still am, asking me what’s wrong, why won’t I come back, saying I have to go for a medical…

- With Manchester City’s doctors?

- Yeah. The whole thing was really draining, exhausting, and I needed to get some solace with my family… Though they were saying I was fine and nothing was stopping me from going back to training with the club.

That’s enough of that. You get the drift.
 
Balti said:
summer of 69 said:
Balti said:
'Carlos' my arse
fuck off tevez

You won't be saying that when he destroys United at The Etihad to win us the title. Or would you prefer Dzeko nice but shite for the rest of the season - cos he's really going to win us the league isn't he !!

Well of course Mario is second choice but lets assume hypothetically that the choice was between the Toxic Twat tevez and Edin for a moment:

Hmmmm. Let me see.....

The out of form Edin who has scored in 3 of the last 5 Premier League games including the valuable winner against Wigan; the one that is City's second highest goalscorer; the one that is the Premier League's sixth highest goalscorer; the one that destroyed spurs away; the one that scored two in twenty minutes against the rags at the swamp; the one that scored in the other game he played in against the rags this season.....

OR

the out of the country till today tevez; the tevez who refused to play; the tevez who has handed in multiple transfer requests; the tevez with the never ending wage demands; the tevez who fucked off on holiday with his girlfriend when given dispensation to see his 'much missed' family; the tevez that fucked off to Argentina instead of fulfilling his professional obligations; the tevez that dissed City on national television; the tevez filmed taking the piss out of City with his big fat disco buddy; the tevez that proclaims respect for the rag manager and the old fogies in the rags side; the tevez that put in no effort this season; the tevez that scored no goals at all in 5 games this season; the tevez that has literally been forced to make an appearance at our beloved club; the tevez with the manipulative **** of an agent; the tevez that showed disdain for our club at wembley; the tevez that thankfully will be gone in the summer; the tevez who has completely disrespected our club MCFC

hmmmmmm tough one.......

Dzeko over Tevez every time. Mario x 2. Sergio x 3.

and fuck tevez the toxic little bastard




last time we played them twats 11 V 11 we just managed to scrap a win. and yes you guessed it with the poison dwarf
 
jimbo101 said:
Here's a question.

Win the title with Tevez playing

or

Come second with him nowhere near the First team???

Not saying we cant win it without him, nor am I saying we will deffo win it with him in the team. But think a lot of people are not focussing on the bigger picture - WINNING THE LEAGUE
As DeNiro puts it - I want this title so much!!!!
Try supposition and conjecture,it'll help to take the guess work out of it for you.
 
I'll tell you what i think. I have more comic timing in my little finger than that dunce ever will have.

Another bias Tevez cock sucking sycophantic piece of tame media, next.

When that fat bastard in the club singing with him was calling us (of which Tevez never stopped) he looked like he had 0 presence as a speaker,singer or human being.

I want to punch him, not to hard but enough to shut his gob up. Then toss him in the north sea like a drunk out of a bar.
 
What is it about Tevez's actions and character that makes people think he would be a valuable asset to the team (I'm not in any way questioning his ability)?

I don't think he should play but could see the argument in him playing a role if he was 100% and putting in the effort but it seems more likely to me that Tevez actively sabotages any sort of title challenge. Praising United so heavily in that interview is a clear sign that Tevez and City are not moving in the same direction, surely?
 

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