Tevez - Whats the latest?

cleavers said:
Either way the time lines still don't work.

Unless he's completely stupid, Tevez would not be there alone, and I doubt Mancini would either, as both could come out in the media with any old shit against the other.

City might still be naive, but I don't think we are that naive.
Interesting, I didn't pick up on them being alone.

The Independant article seems to say this story came from Carlos's side, with City just 'confirming' the meeting took place. Well written piece, but...TBH I'm too relaxed to get into all the details.

The only cogent thought I have is that it's possible Carlos was advised that an apology could constitute an admission that could make him liable for the sack and a hefty amount of damages. That illustrates a profound lack of trust, which makes me pretty sad. But I can't escape the feeling that is something Joorabchian has created, with the tricks he pulled in the initial negotiations, the leaking of stories and so on.

Very sad, the whole thing.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/mancini-met-tevez-at-1am-in-bid-to-end-standoff-2370207.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 70207.html</a>

Roberto Mancini made the extraordinary decision to call Carlos Tevez to his Cheshire home for talks in the early hours of yesterday morning, in an attempt to defuse the monumental stand-off between them.

Tevez visited the Manchester City manager's home in Alderley Edge at 1am after a day of intense legal negotiations, which had left the 27-year-old Argentine determined to pursue any appeal open to him, in the event of City fining him £1.5m for alleged breaches of contract. The player accepted Mancini's invitation to meet and did so after he arrived back in Manchester from London by train. The offer from Mancini is a remarkable one, given that City have been so intent on keeping their two-week inquiry into Tevez's alleged refusal to enter the field of play at Bayern Munich on a quasi-judicial footing.

The impasse between the two sides had certainly seemed unbreachable before Tevez took a train north from Euston on Wednesday evening. He had met two members of the City inquiry panel earlier in the day for the conclusion of the club's inquiry, soon after touching down at London Heathrow from Argentina at 6.40am on Wednesday. There was no breakthrough in that meeting – which, by one account, saw Tevez demand that Mancini issue a public apology to him for claiming he refused to play. The two sides then spent much of Wednesday in intense legal negotiations which ultimately failed to find a resolution.

It is alleged that when Tevez arrived at Mancini's house, he was offered a deal by the City manager that would allow him to train with the first-team squad again for the first time since his dispute with the manager during the second half of the Champions League defeat on 27 September. Sources close to Tevez also allege that in return Mancini wanted a public and private apology from the player to him and to the club's chairman, Khaldoon al-Mubarak. Tevez, who was indignant to be told earlier in the evening that City had decided to put him through a formal disciplinary process, categorically refused to apologise. It is understood that Mancini did not offer to halt the disciplinary proceedings initiated against Tevez in return for an apology.

City confirm that the meeting took place and insist that it in no way affects the neutrality or impartiality of disciplinary proceedings that will see the player appear before a panel – probably on Monday or Tuesday of next week. The club's portrayal of the meeting is as one in which Mancini sought to establish the player's state of mind and secure some kind of détente. Despite the impasse between Mancini and the man he appointed as club captain last season, City also suggest that the two parted relatively amicably, with a handshake.

Another explanation of Mancini's unexpected actions is that he was seeking to manage the Tevez situation rather than have to confront the striker at the club's Carrington training ground yesterday in front of the rest of the squad. Tevez trained yesterday for the first time since he was alleged to have refused to come on in the game against Bayern.

Mancini's willingness to meet Tevez and get on to his wavelength provides a sense that he does not consider the relationship between then to be utterly irreparable and that, despite saying in Bayern's Allianz Arena that his striker was "finished" at City, he will entertain the slim possibility of playing him if he can secure some form of private climbdown from the Argentine.

City's determination that Tevez should not be "convicted" until he has been through the full disciplinary process saw him being driven into the club's training base in his Hummer at midday yesterday. He was told to arrive several hours after the rest of the club's senior players and was forced to train alone with fitness coach Ivan Carminati. A similar routine is expected to be prepared for him today by Mancini, who arrived at Carrington on his bicycle yesterday.

It is understood Tevez was ready to apologise for not warming up, provided Mancini apologised for accusing him of refusing to play. City rejected this. Tevez is expected to appeal against the decision to the City board and – if that fails – he can take his case to the Premier League. This process could last well into December.

West Ham are monitoring developments to establish if they can take the player on an emergency loan until January. Their manager, Sam Allardyce, said yesterday that he believes Tevez's best chance of playing again before the January transfer window is in the Championship with West Ham. City have already rejected such a move but Allardyce said: "When the decision is finally made regarding what's happening with Carlos then perhaps [the co-chairman] David Sullivan might want to pursue it."
 
simon23 said:
so now everyone suddenly beleives everything in the papers when 99.9% of the time nost people on here dismiss an awful lot of the things in them....!

ah well!
Not verbatim no, but if you can't see that's a story from kia's camp then more fool you.

Ps - re your long post, Tevez is NOT popular in the city squad at all.
 
Can someone tell me why Tevez or KJ would leak a story like this to the press during such a critical time; what is to be gained?
 
The Future's Blue said:
Can someone tell me why Tevez or KJ would leak a story like this to the press during such a critical time; what is to be gained?

It will be an attempt to show that City are not 100% confident that they will get the result they want from the process and that we are still considering alternative options.
 
The Future's Blue said:
Can someone tell me why Tevez or KJ would leak a story like this to the press during such a critical time; what is to be gained?


definitely burning bridges.
 
Perhaps Mancini felt he should make at least a small step towards reconciliation for the sake of his relationship with the other players? Perhaps some of the players who are closer to Tevez were uncomfortable with the idea of there being no prospect of a reconciliation? Weren't comfortable with the idea of their compatriot being made to train alone?

At least Mancini can now say to them "I gave him a chance".
 
Rammy Blue said:
The Future's Blue said:
Can someone tell me why Tevez or KJ would leak a story like this to the press during such a critical time; what is to be gained?

It will be an attempt to show that City are not 100% confident that they will get the result they want from the process and that we are still considering alternative options.
I wouldn't have thought so otherwise City would not have been so confident in putting an official statement out saying that he is subject to further disciplinary measures so early. We also have the backing of the PFA in this as I heard Gordon Taylor saying how open and honest we've been with the investigation - he has obviously had a view of the findings.

Funny isn't it that we can take this meeting on face value. Even funnier was how the media reported Tevez' fitness test as him being forced to train alone.

I have no idea what's going on but I do know that whichever way we deal with this the media will spin it in some sort of way to suit their particular agenda - the truth doesn't sell papers or get us to click their links - and I think it's very hard to believe that the likes of Joorabchian is not savvy enough to realise that this is not the time to start rocking the boat.
 
City and Bobby are playing this very well by showing they are being reasonable and are looking to find some middle ground.

This is a requirement nowadays employment law says so, this process (the disciplinary process) is what dictates the clubs, and by extension RM, actions from start to finish in this saga.
 
The account is actually extremely believable because off the record meetings are very common in cases like this where there's need to separate the parties from the legal teams so that discussions can take place without the caution and accusations brought by advisor's.
It's a 'without prejudice' discussion and it's either one on one (where it would be word against word / no witnesses so not usable as evidence in court) or by use of a 'without prejudice agreement' whereby the parties sign a declaration that the discussion will be off record and ergo not admissible in court.
'Without prejudice' has an accepted legal precedent and can only be enforced where it can be evidenced that the discussions, or indeed correspondence, is entered into in an effort to resolve an active dispute.

I'm not saying that the meeting did or didn't take place - just pointing out that the scenario wouldn't be a surprise to anyone in the legal profession or, in fact, anyone who has ever managed disputes or been involved in litigation in the UK.
 

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