Tevez....

[cibaman]

Can't believe so many Blues are writing off a player who gives nothing less than 100 percent when he turns out for City.
Can you NOT see the possibility of confusion in a noisy Bayern Munich stadium and the stress of a two-nil deficit? Plus there is the language problem. Do you not see that there is an underlying problem with the MPK management. Nobody understands what the hell they are doing. From the start Kolo Toure was picked ahead of Lescott in the most important game of the season. Where's the sense in that when Lescott has been playing well of late and Toure was just back from suspension? Next with City two-nil down they take off a striker Dzeko and bring on a defensive midfielder, de Jong. Dzeko couldn't understand it and neither could anyone else. Why should they? The truth that you Mancini arse-lickers must realise that he's a terrible man-manager and he's not being helped by Platt and Kidd.
I have no doubt that Tevez was itching to get on the field and would have played his heart out to get a result for us. Stop knocking the man and hope that he's back playing for City soon, cementing our position at the top of the league. He's on City's books; he's a world class player and we need him on our side. It won't hurt Mancini to realise that the people behind him may not always offer the best solutions.

I think you're a bit naive. Tevez refused to play, of that there is no doubt. He said as much in his interview after the game.

Fuck what Tevez can and can't do for MCFC, I don't care. I don't want him to wear our shirt again. I'm not a Mancini arse licker (although after delivering our first trophy in 35 yeras I don't blame those that do), I'n certainly no Tevez apologist either. I'm just a Blue who feels insulted by Tevez.

As far as I can see,this is damage limitation, an attempt to keep as much value in Tevez as possible. If the outside world think City and Tevez have kissed and made up, they know they'll have to pay more to get him. If we are outwardly saying he won't ever play for us again- his value in terms of a transfer fee is virtually nothing.

If he plays for us again, it will only be a shop window exercise and the quicker he leaves the better imo.

I agree. I also suspect that City didnt want to find him guilty of refusing to play, which would be gross misconduct, and then not sack him. It would create too big a precedent.

But in doing this they run the risk of seriously undermining Mancini.

 

[waspish]

Nothing official from city at all but it's all over the media what's happening wonder who is leaking the bullshit? Answers on a post card.....

 

[simon23]

why doesnt he come out and .. say he is sorry.... and say he wants to play for man city............. the fact that he is saying nothing means he is guilty and a twat.

but thanks for all you did carlito..... but shut the door on the way out

maybe if both tevez and the Roberto came out and admitted they had made mistakes that really would solve the problem but they both have the same problem...huge egos and i dont think either of them will

the relationship between them is damaged beyond repair i think

I'd agree with this, to an extent, if this was an isolated incident. But it's not.

It's the latest in a long line of whingeing, moaning & generally being an unsettling influence when Bobby is trying to build a TEAM.

I'd say there's no I in team, but Carlos can't fucking spell so would be wasted on him!!

the relationship between tevez and mancini has never been good....te relationship between tevez and other players is fine....they all at least hold him in high regard....

he has moaned...and rightly at being subbed at times (as have other players) and other players will do it in the future....

there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that he is an unsettling influence....just hearsay and opinion! He doesnt get on with the manager i agree but t doesnt mean that he tries to unsettle players

as far as the rest of the other accusations against him?

1. doesnt like manachster - dont really blame him that much to be honest...i was born and bread there and its an average place in my opinion

2. throwing scraves away at the cup final - so what!!! plenty of players do it every year..he wanted to wear his national flag...plenty of players do that as well

BOTH player and manager are responsible for the break down in the relationship..it isnt a one way street and unfortunately it is beyond replair<br /><br />-- Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:59 pm --<br /><br />

So KIA would like us to believe. Only problem it was broadcast to millions, and Kia has been proven to be talking out of his arse on that one.

True. All the subsequent translations have agreed that he said he didn't feel up to going on, so in effect he admitted the offence. Why would he do that, it would be an incredibly bizarre thing to admit to if he wasn't guilty. But then as Simon says, if none of the coaching staff have backed up Mancini's version then that to me suggests Tevez didn't refuse. It is all incredibly odd.

Just a bit of guesswork, but the fact that the first thing KIA did was try to discredit that interview says a lot to me.

Another guess, but a refusing to warm up charge is easier to prove, will still sideline him until January as per Mancini's wish and might not make him as unsaleable as a refusing to play charge.

Personally I'd prefer we hang him out to dry but I guess those in charge of the club are a bit more pragmatic about these things than me.

so basically what you think is that the club are lying to try and maintain his sell on value????

what about the possibility tevez could do them for deformation of character if they said he refused to play and he didnt!?

 

[Rasher]

I think they have charged him with a charge that he cannot wriggle out of.
Take him down.

 

[Balti]

Nothing official from city at all but it's all over the media what's happening wonder who is leaking the bullshit? Answers on a post card.....

is it someone named after a shit car?

or a shit orange drink?

 

[simon23]

Pmsl at the few and it is just a few, that seem hell bent on trying to defend the indefensible that is the twat Tevez and his slime ball agent, Kia.

He clearly parked his fat arse on the bench in front of the watching millions and refused to get off it...

He clearly jumped in front of the nearest tv camera, with a translator and told the watching millions that he didn't play because he didn't feel mentally right...

Stop making shit up to try and convince those of us that saw it with our own eyes that it didn't really happen this way because it did.

Regardless of charges or fines or bans or whatever, the **** will never pull on our shirt again and rightly so and he will be gone along with his agent at the earliest and that is all that matters.

City have handled it all spot on imo.

Im not fully defending him but what people fail to see is that ppart of this issue has been caused by the managers previous and subsequent actions

tevez is at fault for refusing to warm up a second time...how he thought he was going to gain from that i dont know?...he was clearly in the wrong for that

mancini and tevez are at fault for the previous breakdown in the relationship which led to that point.

 

[Max_Headroom]

BOTH player and manager are responsible for the break down in the relationship..it isnt a one way street and unfortunately it is beyond replair

At the end of the day the manager asked him to warm up or play (whatever you want to believe) and he refused, if i did that at work i would be sacked, i couldn't give a rats arse if Tevez dislikes RM he is the boss and you do what the boss tells you or face the consequences.

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

What if he scored the winner on Sunday?????

What if Rat faced Neville wore a City shit?

I'd still think that they are both cunts!!

 

[Thomas Woodworth]

At the end of the day there are many blues that are for Tevez to play for us again and many that don't, I would say the majority do not and out of that there will be a few thousand season ticket holders that are going to boo and show there discontent if he plays again.

He has put in Transfer request again and again said he is not happy etc this was just another ploy to try and get his transfer away from the club, he may not have said I will not go on the pitch with them words exactly but if he has said I will not warm up before coming on its the same shit, disobeying the managers orders knowing full well that he would not be then put on the pitch.

He messed up on Sky after the game doing his own interview without his "team" aka Kia twisting a written letter or doing an interview for him. I loved Tevez he has been the most exciting player I have seen in a city shirt but I am going to say this now and I do not care if I get slated for it, the blues that want to see him in a city shirt again are deluded fools, he must go and putting aside all of what he has or has not done this is Tevez vs Mancini and I know which one I still want at the club.

 

[Balti]

Pmsl at the few and it is just a few, that seem hell bent on trying to defend the indefensible that is the twat Tevez and his slime ball agent, Kia.

He clearly parked his fat arse on the bench in front of the watching millions and refused to get off it...

He clearly jumped in front of the nearest tv camera, with a translator and told the watching millions that he didn't play because he didn't feel mentally right...

Stop making shit up to try and convince those of us that saw it with our own eyes that it didn't really happen this way because it did.

Regardless of charges or fines or bans or whatever, the **** will never pull on our shirt again and rightly so and he will be gone along with his agent at the earliest and that is all that matters.

City have handled it all spot on imo.

Im not fully defending him but what people fail to see is that ppart of this issue has been caused by the managers previous and subsequent actions

tevez is at fault for refusing to warm up a second time...how he thought he was going to gain from that i dont know?...he was clearly in the wrong for that

mancini and tevez are at fault for the previous breakdown in the relationship which led to that point.

so what?

as the reaction since has proved if it comes down to a choice between tevez or Mancini then Bobby wins every single time.

What you are forgetting is that tevez has been agitating for a move, and dissing our club, for some time now and many or probably most of us were already fed up to the back teeth with his greedy antics in any case. Didn't want him as captain, and didn't want him representing us at Wemberlee last season. Well before his latest statement of disrespect for our beloved MCFC.

That incident was merely the icing on the cake.

Fuck the greedy little ****.

 

[im_still_here]

FUCK OFF TEVEZ YOU ARE NOT WELCOME. I HOPE YOU NEVER GET THE CHANCE TO GRACE THE TURF AND WEAR THE COLOURS OF THE CLUB I LOVE AND WOULD DIE TO PLAY FOR EVER AGAIN. FUCK OFF YOU SCUMMY TWAT!

ide rather see barry conlon lead our strike force than this ungreatful scum bag.

 

[moomba]

there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that he is an unsettling influence....just hearsay and opinion! He doesnt get on with the manager i agree but t doesnt mean that he tries to unsettle players

No evidence but there was the suggestion that he refused a request to warm down after the Everton match. And by all accounts he is facing multiple charges at the moment, not just the one.

so basically what you think is that the club are lying to try and maintain his sell on value????

Quite possibly, it's something that happens in football daily.

what about the possibility tevez could do them for deformation of character if they said he refused to play and he didnt!?

Nothing we've done today has helped his chances if he wanted to sue. But let him try, I suspect that given he's already admitted he wasn't in the right frame of mind to play he might find it difficult proving his case.

 

[M22 Blue]

I sent a text to all my family yesterday telling them that Tevez would be playing on Sunday, as a joke obviously, i best not be right though :/

 

[The Future's Blue]

If as the man in charge i tells you to warm up 50 times you do it end of story, put that along side that you earn a fucking wheel barrow full of money a week i cant quite see you defense.

Er, yeah, if you don't class yourself as City's MVP.

Not my defence pal, Ihave no defence of Tevez' actions, it was how I, and probably he, saw it.

And did you hear Tevez say on TV that he did not feel well enough to play not that he did not understand what he was being asked to do, PAL

Oooooo, check you out, all defensive.

No need to get into tittle-tattle bud, if you don't like my scenario just say so but it's the way I seen it. I'm no Mancini hater or Tevez lover, I'm just your plain and simple run of the mill City supporter who says things as they are.

Maybe you have an agenda?

 

[Andouble]

I sent a text to all my family yesterday telling them that Tevez would be playing on Sunday, as a joke obviously, i best not be right though :/

he's not even training with the first team. 0% chance.

 

[blueinsa]

Pmsl at the few and it is just a few, that seem hell bent on trying to defend the indefensible that is the twat Tevez and his slime ball agent, Kia.

He clearly parked his fat arse on the bench in front of the watching millions and refused to get off it...

He clearly jumped in front of the nearest tv camera, with a translator and told the watching millions that he didn't play because he didn't feel mentally right...

Stop making shit up to try and convince those of us that saw it with our own eyes that it didn't really happen this way because it did.

Regardless of charges or fines or bans or whatever, the **** will never pull on our shirt again and rightly so and he will be gone along with his agent at the earliest and that is all that matters.

City have handled it all spot on imo.

Im not fully defending him but what people fail to see is that ppart of this issue has been caused by the managers previous and subsequent actions

tevez is at fault for refusing to warm up a second time...how he thought he was going to gain from that i dont know?...he was clearly in the wrong for that

mancini and tevez are at fault for the previous breakdown in the relationship which led to that point.

Previous?

You mean the constant holidays and time off to go see his estranged wife and kids?

Yup, I can see now what pissed him off so much....

Greedy little shit who jumps to his masters (Kia's) orders, nothing more and nothing less.

Only mistake was not doing a deal in the summer and getting rid then and i will wager that Mancini was not to blame for that not happening.

As I have said, fines, charges, bans matter not one jot as he is finished at our club and rightly so due to the pathetic **** failing to think for himself for just one second and realising just what this club has done for him and given him.

 

[dom]

Apache continue to speak with forked tongue.... scalp the bastard !

If that twunt ever pulls on a City shirt again I'll find the wanker's 4x4 and slash his tyres

 

[simon23]

BOTH player and manager are responsible for the break down in the relationship..it isnt a one way street and unfortunately it is beyond replair

At the end of the day the manager asked him to warm up or play (whatever you want to believe) and he refused, if i did that at work i would be sacked, i couldn't give a rats arse if Tevez dislikes RM he is the boss and you do what the boss tells you or face the consequences.

yup fully agree with all that

but again the situation had been building for a while and BOTH are responsible for that....the reason why i keep saying that is that Mancini has to learn from this and hopefully will.....there will be other difficult players to manage in the future and sitautions like this cannt happen again

 

[moomba]

Im not fully defending him but what people fail to see is that ppart of this issue has been caused by the managers previous and subsequent actions

People fail to see that because this issue is entirely caused by Tevez lack of professionalism. It doesn't matter one bit what Mancini has said and done post the incident, as if he lacks trust in the player he won't play again, and that trust was lost part way through the match (if not earlier).

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

then you get splits and cliches.

Keep your fingers crossed he doesnt pull the wool over everyone's eyes. One bad apple spoils the bunch but a rolling stone gathers no moss.

nah, Gael will be fine with all of this.

Is this Dave double D fraternising with the enemy ?