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Manchester City vs Arsenal preview: Can Alexis Sanchez turn the tide that has flowed against Arsenal for so long?
City wanted Chilean striker but Wenger has him and will hope he can lead his side to a rare victory in Manchester
By IAN HERBERT
Friday 16 January 2015
At last, a player who escaped Manchester City’s clutches and only had eyes for Arsenal. Arsène Wenger has seen Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Touré, Samir Nasri, Gaël Clichy and Bacary Sagna – collective cost £72m – lured away from the Emirates to the Etihad on the promise of Abu Dhabi gold in the last five years, but Alexis Sanchez is the one whom City missed out on twice before he said yes to the Gunners.
City’s interest in Sanchez last summer – and the very significant reason for them not pursuing him – came into sharper focus yesterday when their manager Manuel Pellegrini said, in response to the question of whether he had tried to sign the 26-year-old, that “it was not easy” back then because the Chilean had been “a very expensive player in that moment”.
There can be little doubt that City knew they would be one striker down when Sanchez came back on to the market, because internal conversations about their Spanish striker Alvaro Negredo’s desire to go back to Spain had already started (chief executive Ferran Soriano was initially not so sure it was a good idea; Pellegrini assured him it would be fine for him to leave for Valencia.) But money was an issue like never before for the Premier League champions, because of the £49m net spending limit imposed on them for failing Uefa’s Financial Fair Play test.
They have paid heavily for their necessary summer timidity in the goal-scorer department. Though there is no doubting the quality of Wilfried Bony, on whom City this week committed a fee that will probably rise to £28m, for a mere £7m more they might have been the owners of the man who has become Arsenal’s supreme talent in the space of five months.
Who knows? Perhaps City would have received the same message Liverpool received, having been strung along by Sanchez’s representatives for weeks: that he only wanted to play in London. But their frustration will be compounded if Sanchez delivers for Arsenal against them tomorrow, because he slipped through their fingers in 2011, too. That was when the Chilean topped Roberto Mancini’s wish-list of strikers, sending the club’s player-acquisition staff into hot pursuit of him until the trail started to go cold, Sanchez’s agent stopped returning calls and, with second-choice Sergio Aguero’s agent more receptive, they called off the search. City signed Aguero for £38m while Sanchez went to Barcelona, the club he had always wanted.
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The past few weeks might not have done much to prove City’s transparency in complying with FFP. There has been something very unsettling about their latest exercise in shrewd accountancy, hiving off employees into subsidiary companies to remove them from the football club payroll and help compliance with the Uefa financial regime, when most of those employees’ work is undertaken for the club, in any case.
Yet the non-pursuit of Sanchez reveals a determination to adhere to FFP which is far more robust than the Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho suggested yesterday, when he effectively accused City of cheating the system by signing Bony. “Good striker. If they have the money and no problems with FFP, well done. Rules are different for City,” Mourinho said.
The Portuguese’s talk was Machiavellian and the moral outrage false. He wants to wind up Pellegrini and get at his squad, based on his own private calculation that the Chilean will not respond when his players will expect him to. In fact, Pellegrini did respond. “I don’t think this club or this team is just money,” he said when Mourinho’s comments were put to him. “It’s not money… Maybe [some] in the media say it’s just money – it’s not money. We have good players.”
Arsene Wenger reacts during Arsenal's win over Stoke Arsene Wenger reacts during Arsenal's win over Stoke
Even as he spoke, new evidence was surfacing of how the days when it was all about money for City created a mercenary streak. Yaya Touré’s incredible £200,000-a-week salary was needed to lure him to the club from Barcelona and though he has repaid them richly on the field, his repeated public indifference to the club when he is away suggests no love of the place. City deserve far better than Touré’s reply, when asked yesterday about whether he will be at the club beyond next summer. “That’s a big question and that’s an easy question as well, and you have an easy answer... we’ll see,” he told CNN. Pressed on the subject, he added: “I don’t know. I’m at City. City is a great club where I’ve achieved lots of things.”
Pellegrini said there could be no certainties about Touré’s future. “I don’t think any of us know what will happen in six months’ [time].” This feels increasingly like the Ivorian’s last season in Manchester.
Considering that his side overwhelmed Arsenal 6-3 at the Etihad 396 days ago, it was odd to see Pellegrini dodging all these pre-match bullets. He will also be without Nasri for three weeks, he announced. Though Wenger will do without the injured Mathieu Debuchy and Mikel Arteta for three months, he could reflect on the renewed availability of Theo Walcott, Aaron Ramsey and Mesut Özil tomorrow, notionally allowing him to push Sanchez further forward.
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There’s no disguising what a pitiful place for Arsenal the city of Manchester has been these past years, though: one point from a possible 21 in the place; 28 goals conceded in the last seven meetings and six men sent off in nine games.
Wenger claimed there were exceptional, extenuating circumstances about that 6-3 defeat: missed chances and a Champions League tie in Naples three days before the lunchtime kick-off. But that’s not really how it was. Arsenal looked how they seemed almost every time they have entered the city in these past few years: cowed and lacking in self-belief. Even David Moyes’ Old Trafford proved too much for them last season. When a team does not even believe it can win, then it will not.
Wilfried Bony signed for Manchester City this week Wilfried Bony signed for Manchester City this week
“Yes,” Wenger said to the question of whether that lack of belief had been the biggest weakness over the last few years. “For many years it was our strength and in the last two years it is true that it has been a weakness. I think we are mature enough now to rectify it.”
How often has he said that? So many false dawns. But for once as he faced up to City, Wenger did not feel the need to resort to that phrase he coined for the club – “financial doping” – even though recent events had provided some ammunition. That tells us something. Sanchez has fortified Arsenal. He has altered the flow of transfer traffic into Manchester. Now he needs to help Wenger make the scoreline a little different, too.
Manchester City vs Arsenal preview: Can Alexis Sanchez turn the tide that has flowed against Arsenal for so long?
City wanted Chilean striker but Wenger has him and will hope he can lead his side to a rare victory in Manchester
By IAN HERBERT
Friday 16 January 2015
At last, a player who escaped Manchester City’s clutches and only had eyes for Arsenal. Arsène Wenger has seen Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Touré, Samir Nasri, Gaël Clichy and Bacary Sagna – collective cost £72m – lured away from the Emirates to the Etihad on the promise of Abu Dhabi gold in the last five years, but Alexis Sanchez is the one whom City missed out on twice before he said yes to the Gunners.
City’s interest in Sanchez last summer – and the very significant reason for them not pursuing him – came into sharper focus yesterday when their manager Manuel Pellegrini said, in response to the question of whether he had tried to sign the 26-year-old, that “it was not easy” back then because the Chilean had been “a very expensive player in that moment”.
There can be little doubt that City knew they would be one striker down when Sanchez came back on to the market, because internal conversations about their Spanish striker Alvaro Negredo’s desire to go back to Spain had already started (chief executive Ferran Soriano was initially not so sure it was a good idea; Pellegrini assured him it would be fine for him to leave for Valencia.) But money was an issue like never before for the Premier League champions, because of the £49m net spending limit imposed on them for failing Uefa’s Financial Fair Play test.
They have paid heavily for their necessary summer timidity in the goal-scorer department. Though there is no doubting the quality of Wilfried Bony, on whom City this week committed a fee that will probably rise to £28m, for a mere £7m more they might have been the owners of the man who has become Arsenal’s supreme talent in the space of five months.
Who knows? Perhaps City would have received the same message Liverpool received, having been strung along by Sanchez’s representatives for weeks: that he only wanted to play in London. But their frustration will be compounded if Sanchez delivers for Arsenal against them tomorrow, because he slipped through their fingers in 2011, too. That was when the Chilean topped Roberto Mancini’s wish-list of strikers, sending the club’s player-acquisition staff into hot pursuit of him until the trail started to go cold, Sanchez’s agent stopped returning calls and, with second-choice Sergio Aguero’s agent more receptive, they called off the search. City signed Aguero for £38m while Sanchez went to Barcelona, the club he had always wanted.
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The past few weeks might not have done much to prove City’s transparency in complying with FFP. There has been something very unsettling about their latest exercise in shrewd accountancy, hiving off employees into subsidiary companies to remove them from the football club payroll and help compliance with the Uefa financial regime, when most of those employees’ work is undertaken for the club, in any case.
Yet the non-pursuit of Sanchez reveals a determination to adhere to FFP which is far more robust than the Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho suggested yesterday, when he effectively accused City of cheating the system by signing Bony. “Good striker. If they have the money and no problems with FFP, well done. Rules are different for City,” Mourinho said.
The Portuguese’s talk was Machiavellian and the moral outrage false. He wants to wind up Pellegrini and get at his squad, based on his own private calculation that the Chilean will not respond when his players will expect him to. In fact, Pellegrini did respond. “I don’t think this club or this team is just money,” he said when Mourinho’s comments were put to him. “It’s not money… Maybe [some] in the media say it’s just money – it’s not money. We have good players.”
Arsene Wenger reacts during Arsenal's win over Stoke Arsene Wenger reacts during Arsenal's win over Stoke
Even as he spoke, new evidence was surfacing of how the days when it was all about money for City created a mercenary streak. Yaya Touré’s incredible £200,000-a-week salary was needed to lure him to the club from Barcelona and though he has repaid them richly on the field, his repeated public indifference to the club when he is away suggests no love of the place. City deserve far better than Touré’s reply, when asked yesterday about whether he will be at the club beyond next summer. “That’s a big question and that’s an easy question as well, and you have an easy answer... we’ll see,” he told CNN. Pressed on the subject, he added: “I don’t know. I’m at City. City is a great club where I’ve achieved lots of things.”
Pellegrini said there could be no certainties about Touré’s future. “I don’t think any of us know what will happen in six months’ [time].” This feels increasingly like the Ivorian’s last season in Manchester.
Considering that his side overwhelmed Arsenal 6-3 at the Etihad 396 days ago, it was odd to see Pellegrini dodging all these pre-match bullets. He will also be without Nasri for three weeks, he announced. Though Wenger will do without the injured Mathieu Debuchy and Mikel Arteta for three months, he could reflect on the renewed availability of Theo Walcott, Aaron Ramsey and Mesut Özil tomorrow, notionally allowing him to push Sanchez further forward.
Read more:
Friday's biggest transfer talk and rumours
Welbeck ruled out for additional two weeks
Debuchy ruled out for three months
There’s no disguising what a pitiful place for Arsenal the city of Manchester has been these past years, though: one point from a possible 21 in the place; 28 goals conceded in the last seven meetings and six men sent off in nine games.
Wenger claimed there were exceptional, extenuating circumstances about that 6-3 defeat: missed chances and a Champions League tie in Naples three days before the lunchtime kick-off. But that’s not really how it was. Arsenal looked how they seemed almost every time they have entered the city in these past few years: cowed and lacking in self-belief. Even David Moyes’ Old Trafford proved too much for them last season. When a team does not even believe it can win, then it will not.
Wilfried Bony signed for Manchester City this week Wilfried Bony signed for Manchester City this week
“Yes,” Wenger said to the question of whether that lack of belief had been the biggest weakness over the last few years. “For many years it was our strength and in the last two years it is true that it has been a weakness. I think we are mature enough now to rectify it.”
How often has he said that? So many false dawns. But for once as he faced up to City, Wenger did not feel the need to resort to that phrase he coined for the club – “financial doping” – even though recent events had provided some ammunition. That tells us something. Sanchez has fortified Arsenal. He has altered the flow of transfer traffic into Manchester. Now he needs to help Wenger make the scoreline a little different, too.
Surely every club that is affected by FFP regulations seeks to work within the boundaries of those regulations in the most advantageous method. As long as what they do is legal and meets the required legislation then it's all a matter of how you wish to label it, is it 'sharp practice', is it 'working round the regulations' or is it simply 'complying with the regulations'.
Was Chelsea buying up loads of talented youngsters just prior to the introduction of FFP, farming them out on loan to hopefully sell at a profit 'sharp practice'? Personally I'd say it was good business sense that has helped Chelsea comply with FFP. Im not particularly 'au fait' with the details of Chelsea's £700 million marker to Roman Abramovich but whatever they did to make sure it didn't appear on Chelsea's accounts for FFP purposes was done to 'work round the upcoming legislation' and it would have been madness not to. I can't understand why our own supporters would criticise the club for trying to minimise the effect FFP has on our ability to progress.
Was Chelsea buying up loads of talented youngsters just prior to the introduction of FFP, farming them out on loan to hopefully sell at a profit 'sharp practice'? Personally I'd say it was good business sense that has helped Chelsea comply with FFP. Im not particularly 'au fait' with the details of Chelsea's £700 million marker to Roman Abramovich but whatever they did to make sure it didn't appear on Chelsea's accounts for FFP purposes was done to 'work round the upcoming legislation' and it would have been madness not to. I can't understand why our own supporters would criticise the club for trying to minimise the effect FFP has on our ability to progress.
Mourinho and Wenger moaning that the cartel is gone, big yawn. Mourinho is an absolute twat and the biggest hypocrite because he certainly enjoyed the spending period he sustained at Chelsea the first time around when FFP didn't exist. Wenger also cannot moan because he has the money to spend and chooses not to spend it, why is that our problem? How we choose to exact our affairs isn't for comment by anyone but City and UEFA so why they are piping up is just funny. In fact Arsenal cannot pipe up, they are currently fighting for their 4th spot despite spending what at least £50M in the summer, that is a pretty poor return if you ask me for a club like them. United spent over £200M in the summer so how are these idiots not questioning how United were able to do so because they certainly haven't sold anyone!
Bare in mind this is all in terms of prices 10 years ago. In his first season Mourinho spent £91M against player income of £2M, his second season he spent £58M on an income of £22M, the 3rd season £56M spent on an income of £31M etc. Mourinho can hardly talk of what is fair and what isn't in terms of spending what you earn.
Bare in mind this is all in terms of prices 10 years ago. In his first season Mourinho spent £91M against player income of £2M, his second season he spent £58M on an income of £22M, the 3rd season £56M spent on an income of £31M etc. Mourinho can hardly talk of what is fair and what isn't in terms of spending what you earn.
Prestwich_Blue said:Well post it then to avoid giving him the clicks. Unless of course you're just on here drumming up business for the paper?Mikejl said:Herbert with another bitter piece in today's Independent
Every article Herbert writes tries to put a negative aspect on anything City. I am now finding it quite funny because the bloke must really be hating our success! I am just surprised that a decent paper like "i" continues to employ such a poor journalist.
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The only logical explanation for his continued employment is him having in his possession several photos of a senior editor sucking off a goat.herrock said:Prestwich_Blue said:Well post it then to avoid giving him the clicks. Unless of course you're just on here drumming up business for the paper?Mikejl said:Herbert with another bitter piece in today's Independent
Every article Herbert writes tries to put a negative aspect on anything City. I am now finding it quite funny because the bloke must really be hating our success! I am just surprised that a decent paper like "i" continues to employ such a poor journalist.
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FFS.
Sky Sports News Correspondent "champions Chelsea".
F'OFF!
Sky Sports News Correspondent "champions Chelsea".
F'OFF!
JoeMercer'sWay said:FFS.
Sky Sports News Correspondent "champions Chelsea".
F'OFF!
Nowt wrong with that, Autumn and Winter Champions!
cookster said:JoeMercer'sWay said:FFS.
Sky Sports News Correspondent "champions Chelsea".
F'OFF!
Nowt wrong with that, Autumn and Winter Champions!
Didn't one of their commentators describe Chelsea as the "champions elect" - last October?
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