The Agenda (Merged)

[Didsbury Dave]

Re: so this agenda thing.

That's what Liverpool are getting, PB.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Re: so this agenda thing.

All of those were written on the back of Sunday's game, which of course you'd expect. But James Pearce clearly suggested there were severe off-field problems at all levels. Having said that, it was an audio interview from last week rather than a written piece but the hacks read the major forums so should have picked up on it.

i am afraid they are the "Liverpool in Turmoil" stories you said there wasn't a peep of. Want some more? ;-)

Even the BBC are producing non-stop articles on Liverpool since sunday.

"From ruthless to toothless" is quite an examination of them.

Ruthless?

Hardly.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Re: so this agenda thing.

i am afraid they are the "Liverpool in Turmoil" stories you said there wasn't a peep of. Want some more? ;-)

Even the BBC are producing non-stop articles on Liverpool since sunday.

"From ruthless to toothless" is quite an examination of them.

Ruthless?

Hardly.

I can't see that picture for some reason, but as for "ruthless", that's what the report is titled.

 

[aguero93:20]

Re: so this agenda thing.

Even the BBC are producing non-stop articles on Liverpool since sunday.

"From ruthless to toothless" is quite an examination of them.

Ruthless?

Hardly.

I can't see that picture for some reason, but as for "ruthless", that's what the report is titled.

It's Steviiieeee GGGGG falling over and Demba Ba running on to the loose ball, it's one of my favourites :)

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Re: so this agenda thing.

I believe there is a realistic view of this whole agenda thing. The fact is that teams were splashing massive amounts of cash when City were bought. Immediately after they were bought UEFA enacted rules to allow already established teams to keep doing what they've been doing but would limit City's ability to sign players. This is a stone-cold fact and if you think FFP would have been instituted if Frank had kept the team then you're delusional.

Ok, now the second part of my proof that there is an agenda takes a small leap of faith but here goes. City have upset the status quo and are making it more difficult/expensive for some very important people's friends to keep their stranglehold on European Football. When the amount of money that is being thrown around is as great as what we're talking about there is bound to be some corruption. The fact is that it would be fairly simple to rig a CL draw, it has been said on here many times, just have a certain ball be hot or cold or change it's surface so it can be easily picked out.

Now, for the "It's really screwing Barcelona" crowd. Barcelona got every call in both legs last year, anybody could see that Messi was not in the box when MD got him. I could see a red card there for being the last man but it's more than a coincidence that big calls are always missed in City matches in Europe and the result of the mistake always costs City dearly.

On a positive note, it says a lot about how great City really are to still be in this thing. Every year they get the toughest draw and are constantly screwed over by the official and they've still managed to get out of the group two years in a row.

last season wasn't a tough group and we qualified quite easily

This year and our first year in the comp weren't all that tough neither. CSKA were shite last year and we just didn't perform against them this year, they are actually a worse team this season than they were last. And we are better than Roma and were better than Napoli back in 2011 too but we didn't play well enough in our home games against them and put ourselves in difficult situations for the away leg (which we won this year, yay!).

All-in-all we've had one very difficult group from four.

And Barcelona is not the hardest possible draw we could have got for the Round of 16 neither. Madrid are a better team than Barca, Atletico would have been an extremely difficult draw for us because of the way both sides play.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: so this agenda thing.

Even the BBC are producing non-stop articles on Liverpool since sunday.

"From ruthless to toothless" is quite an examination of them.

Ruthless?

Hardly.

I can't see that picture for some reason, but as for "ruthless", that's what the report is titled.

it's a misprint, they meant roofless, as that can be the only explanation for why Candlefield was so quiet against Basel last week, the sound was just dissipating away, someone must have nicked it.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Re: so this agenda thing.

Most non agendarists seem to believe that the many bad calls we get are just referee error, yes, fine.
Most non agendarists believe that the continued hard draws we get are just channce, yes, fine.
Most non agendarist believe that ffp is the design of the g14 putting pressure on uefa to protect their cartel, i think we all agree on that.
SO WHAT WE ARE LEFT WITH is that non agendarists believe that uefa would'nt be corrupt as to have some pre determind choice to make things harder for the club they have been so open with trying to stop through financial means. Wake the fuck up. Any big buisness discussion in the cellar would have the very same non agendarists saying they are bent as fuck from starbucks to banks to the supermarkets, BUT NOT UEFA, NO ITS LOONEY TUNES TO THINK UEFA. Wake the fuck up people.

So why have UEFA put UEFAlona in a tie to face us in the Round of 16, the hardest possible draw UEFAlona could get? DO you think UEFAlona are happy to be facing us? Or do you think we're some shite piss easy team to beat?

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Re: so this agenda thing.

Whether you call it an agenda, being selective, media self-interest or whatever, you only need to look at what's going on at Liverpool and how that's reported to see how things are.

Bodger (or someone close to him) has clearly briefed a Liverpool Echo journalist he's close to about this so-called transfer committee they have and how it's holding him back by not getting the players he wants. It's nothing less than an attack on the ownership and structure of the club. It's also seemingly an open secret that there is severe dressing room turmoil there, with certain players at loggerheads and Bodger almost certainly refusing to pick players he didn't buy and even ostracising some of those he did buy. That story ran in The Echo yesterday.

So I expected to see the back pages full of "Liverpool in turmoil" stories and hear about nothing else on stations like TalkSport. After all, the press pack are usually quick to pick up on these regional papers' stories and take them national. Yet there's not a peep on that story anywhere this morning. Now compare that to the shit we got two seasons ago with Mancini at the helm or even earlier this season plus the easy ride that Wee Davey got from them.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/415396/Liverpool-Brendan-Rodgers-broken-dressing-room" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/footba ... ssing-room</a>

<a class="postlink" href="https://metro.co.uk/2014/12/16/does-this-spell-the-end-for-brendan-rodgers-at-liverpool-4988689/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://metro.co.uk/2014/12/16/does-thi ... l-4988689/</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/15/brendan-rodgers-liverpool-manchester-united" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ter-united</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2874482/Liverpool-s-season-unravelling-Brendan-Rodgers-pressure-10-questions-answer-Reds-try-battle-way-trouble.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ouble.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/547091/Brendan-Rodgers-Liverpool-Pressure-Lose-Reading-Job" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football ... eading-Job</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/379921.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/379921.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/12/liverpool-want-diego-simeone-as-manager-brendan-rodgers-nears-sack-4984443/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/12/liverpool ... k-4984443/</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/546974/Frank-de-Boer-Liverpool-Brendan-Rodgers-under-pressure" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football ... r-pressure</a>

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<a class="postlink" href="http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/9607425/Liverpool-Brendan-Rodgers-hints-at-dressing-room-issues-" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/96074 ... om-issues-</a>

Hmmm, not convinced DD. Most of those articles refer merely to Liverpool's poor form and the obvious implications for the manager. In other words, statements of fact. Not remotely close to the 'City in bust up/turmoil/feuding mercenaries' angle (and more particularly, tone) we got force fed by the nations hacks (most of whom were up ladders outside Carrington) at the end of the Mancini era IMO

 

[chris85mcfc]

Re: so this agenda thing.

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We're on opposite sides of the fence for once DD. Most of those articles refer merely to Liverpool's poor form and the obvious implications for the manager. In other words, statements of fact. Not remotely close to the 'City in bust up/turmoil/feuding mercenaries' angle we got force fed by the nations hacks (most of whom were up ladders outside Carrington) at the end of the Mancini era, plus the tone is far more respectful here IMO

I think the media had an easy narrative for that in their eyes

We had players like Yaya, Nasri, Silva, Aguero all turning up on our doorsteps and surely the only reason they joined was for the money? So its an easy narrative for them to class them as mercanaries, and if those mercanaries lose a game its because their not arsed about the club, their just there purely for the pay packet, nothing to do with buying into the project of the club which is clearly bearing fruit now

The most obvious one is the fact that there are probably more Liverpool, Arsenal and United fans in this country, who love nothing more than to read about our club being in 'turmoil'. Personally if I saw a similar story about United or Liverpool i probably wouldn't even read it, i guess thats got a lot to do with the difference in mentality in fans of different clubs

The media know their audience

 

[Rösler von Stretfordbömber]

Re: so this agenda thing.

Most non agendarists seem to believe that the many bad calls we get are just referee error, yes, fine.
Most non agendarists believe that the continued hard draws we get are just channce, yes, fine.
Most non agendarist believe that ffp is the design of the g14 putting pressure on uefa to protect their cartel, i think we all agree on that.
SO WHAT WE ARE LEFT WITH is that non agendarists believe that uefa would'nt be corrupt as to have some pre determind choice to make things harder for the club they have been so open with trying to stop through financial means. Wake the fuck up. Any big buisness discussion in the cellar would have the very same non agendarists saying they are bent as fuck from starbucks to banks to the supermarkets, BUT NOT UEFA, NO ITS LOONEY TUNES TO THINK UEFA. Wake the fuck up people.

So why have UEFA put UEFAlona in a tie to face us in the Round of 16, the hardest possible draw UEFAlona could get? DO you think UEFAlona are happy to be facing us? Or do you think we're some shite piss easy team to beat?

Because UEFAlona are going to get every single call no matter what? Whether or not it is us, Chelsea about five years ago, or whoever.

Or because UEFAlona are getting their collective willies whacked right now for their rules violations. So two birds with one stone - run City out of the competition but make UEFAlona sweat just a little and work harder than they otherwise would have needed.

I don't necessarily believe the above two statements other than in a slightly tongue-in-cheek fashion. But I do believe that UEFA and FIFA are utterly bent and rotten to the core. To defend the objectivity of anything connected with these organisations seems even more nutter-ish than to assert the existence of the most elaborate of conspiracies. To do so is - as I posted earlier - more or less equivalent to arguing that the World Cup bidding process was fair. We KNOW that wasn't the case. People are probably going to jail behind all that I'd imagine.

Everything coming down from that lot at us has basically been a piss-take thus far. I suspect this draw has very much the elements of the same.