Neither of them actually want the fight it seems, they know that's the final payday. If the fight isn't a good, evenly matched one, there's nowhere left to go and all interest in the division dies. Better to avoid each other, get paid to fight the other bums while keeping the debate as to who is the best heavyweight open.
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Hearn has every right to be pissed off if this does block the undisputed fight, hopefully Wilder's just looking for some step-aside money. Which Arum and Warren can deal with on their own and it will serve them right.
Anyone thinking matchroom or AJ didn't want the fight is ignoring the amount of work Eddie has put into getting the site deal agreed, for weeks on end. All the while Arum and Warren were suspiciously sat on the sidelines poo-pooing everything Hearn was doing for weeks, saying it couldn't be done, even telling him to hurry up or they are walking. It was Arum that assured everyone in boxing that arbitration had failed for Wilder, Warren confirmed it too. If they lied about that, what a couple of corrupt old gits they are. Watch the fanboys let them get away with it, if that was Hearn lying his ass off though... That's why it's Fury's side who should pay any step-aside money and no-one else.
It was also Fury stalling on signing the contract, asking for proof of funds, while AJ had already signed and was telling him to get on with it.
It's all starting to make sense now.
Anyone thinking matchroom or AJ didn't want the fight is ignoring the amount of work Eddie has put into getting the site deal agreed, for weeks on end. All the while Arum and Warren were suspiciously sat on the sidelines poo-pooing everything Hearn was doing for weeks, saying it couldn't be done, even telling him to hurry up or they are walking. It was Arum that assured everyone in boxing that arbitration had failed for Wilder, Warren confirmed it too. If they lied about that, what a couple of corrupt old gits they are. Watch the fanboys let them get away with it, if that was Hearn lying his ass off though... That's why it's Fury's side who should pay any step-aside money and no-one else.
It was also Fury stalling on signing the contract, asking for proof of funds, while AJ had already signed and was telling him to get on with it.
It's all starting to make sense now.
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It’s just tedious now with these two.
jay_mcfc
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I don't know why people are so keen to pair AJ in on this. This is 100% on Fury and his team.It’s just tedious now with these two.
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Does anyone think Wilder actually wants the 3rd fight? I'm not so sure, he was already looking at other opponents and it wont be the first time he's positioned himself in the way of an undisputed bout to ask for some step-aside money. When Wlad wanted to fight Stiverne he asked for $10m, as an unproven fighter, who'd never earned anywhere $1m in any fight at the time. Needless to say, Wlad didn't pay the money and waited to challenge him after he picked up the WBC belt, where Wilder proceeded to avoid him like the plague afterwards. Shelley Finkle said he's "a baby" and "a prospect" 7 years as a professional boxer at the time and a newly crowned champion and he still avoided him years after that. Same way he avoided AJ and any other live challenger, with the help of the WBC(Whyte etc). Until he picked Fury, who was a cherry pick gone wrong, to add credibility to his resume with a big name, that he thought was washed up.
If the 3rd fight goes ahead, that probably means AJ will have to fight one of his mandataries unfortunately. He has a lot of belt organisations to satisfy and most of them take the mandataries more seriously than the WBC do(which make no sense at times). That would probably mean there's no chance of the undisputed this year, whatever happens. I just hope Fury doesn't catch a punch from the gods because Wilder will hoard that belt even more than he did before and the WBC will let him. It would be bad for boxing.
I don't even want to see the 3rd Fury vs Wilder fight personally and neither does the majority of boxing fans by the looks of it. I don't see Wilder doing anything different. I'm so done with Wilder's bullshit and Arum's-Warren's for that matter.
If the 3rd fight goes ahead, that probably means AJ will have to fight one of his mandataries unfortunately. He has a lot of belt organisations to satisfy and most of them take the mandataries more seriously than the WBC do(which make no sense at times). That would probably mean there's no chance of the undisputed this year, whatever happens. I just hope Fury doesn't catch a punch from the gods because Wilder will hoard that belt even more than he did before and the WBC will let him. It would be bad for boxing.
I don't even want to see the 3rd Fury vs Wilder fight personally and neither does the majority of boxing fans by the looks of it. I don't see Wilder doing anything different. I'm so done with Wilder's bullshit and Arum's-Warren's for that matter.
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Wilder has asked for $20m and Fury said he wont pay that, so it looks like the 3rd Wilder fight is on. I doubt Fury will pay him even if he halves his asking price is the problem. Fury's side haven't attempted to make a step a-side offer as far as anyone knows. I'm not even sure I believe anything team Fury are saying anymore.
Now I'm hearing that Arum said he wont pay anything, while Warren was saying they are hoping a step-aside deal could be made(inconsistency). Worst still, Arum has already booked a venue for July, a suspiciously fast turn around(days) for something that normally takes weeks to secure. Lets not forget he was telling everyone that the arbitration was done with, contract had expired, no chance Wilder gets his own way etc. So that makes the "contingency" excuse doubtful too.
On top of that, someone from ESPN let slip that Fury was fighting on PPV in July. He said it 2 days before the arbitration decision was given, while at that time the Saudi fight with AJ was well publicised to be in August. It's looking like Fury's side knew all along and they've strung not just Hearn and AJ's side along but the whole of boxing too.
I saw a related video where someone made a good argument, that if the contract had expired and they didn't ever plan on making that fight as Bob was telling everyone, the correct course of action would be straight to court. Not mediation which is getting both sides to agree on something out of court. I doubt even more that they would sign a contract, that stated if they can't come to an agreement in mediation, then it must go to a legally binding arbitration decision. Leaving the decision up to one person, rather than a real court. The fact that they even entered mediation, means they were willing to listen to what Wilder wanted from the start and yet they are not willing to offer any step-aside deal? How does that make sense, do they want us to believe they entered mediation because they expected Wilder to agree to walk away empty handed? By the same measure, if Wilder really knew he had a case and was hearing from Fury's side that they would not agree to pay up or fight, then he'd have gone to court straight away too. Why waste time on mediation? Fury's side could still challenge this in court if they really don't want to fight or pay anything, I suppose if that's the plan then mediation makes sense. At worst the court agrees with the decision and he'll probably have a choice to fight or pay a step-aside amount(which could be less than Wilder wants). Team Fury have given no indication of that though which says it all. Both sides were in on this IMO.
In hindsight it's also looking suspiciously like Fury's side were desperate for the Saudi offer not to come through. That's why they kept starting fires for Hearn to put out, while he was still negotiating with the Saudis, which most people found weird. I suspect this was all so that they could claim AJ never wanted the fight and then make out Wilder was the only one who wanted it. So Arum could then could put on the 3rd Wilder fight that the majority of boxing fans didn't think was necessary and blame AJ and Hearn for it. Who knows how the Saudis will take this going forward, they could have burned they bridges for any future fight. Is it some diva move because Hearn has a working relationship with them and they wont deal with Arum or Warren or do they just really not want the AJ fight?
All I'm hoping, is that the reason Fury himself didn't opt to go to court to get rid of Wilder, is that it will have meant an 18month break since Fury was last in the ring. Which most of us would have understood, if he was honest about it because he would normally have a tune up after a break that long. Wilder will be in the same boat as Fury and he's already beaten him twice in his mind, so that's a different story. It's the bullshit and leading people on that people will rightly call him out for.
Now I'm hearing that Arum said he wont pay anything, while Warren was saying they are hoping a step-aside deal could be made(inconsistency). Worst still, Arum has already booked a venue for July, a suspiciously fast turn around(days) for something that normally takes weeks to secure. Lets not forget he was telling everyone that the arbitration was done with, contract had expired, no chance Wilder gets his own way etc. So that makes the "contingency" excuse doubtful too.
On top of that, someone from ESPN let slip that Fury was fighting on PPV in July. He said it 2 days before the arbitration decision was given, while at that time the Saudi fight with AJ was well publicised to be in August. It's looking like Fury's side knew all along and they've strung not just Hearn and AJ's side along but the whole of boxing too.
I saw a related video where someone made a good argument, that if the contract had expired and they didn't ever plan on making that fight as Bob was telling everyone, the correct course of action would be straight to court. Not mediation which is getting both sides to agree on something out of court. I doubt even more that they would sign a contract, that stated if they can't come to an agreement in mediation, then it must go to a legally binding arbitration decision. Leaving the decision up to one person, rather than a real court. The fact that they even entered mediation, means they were willing to listen to what Wilder wanted from the start and yet they are not willing to offer any step-aside deal? How does that make sense, do they want us to believe they entered mediation because they expected Wilder to agree to walk away empty handed? By the same measure, if Wilder really knew he had a case and was hearing from Fury's side that they would not agree to pay up or fight, then he'd have gone to court straight away too. Why waste time on mediation? Fury's side could still challenge this in court if they really don't want to fight or pay anything, I suppose if that's the plan then mediation makes sense. At worst the court agrees with the decision and he'll probably have a choice to fight or pay a step-aside amount(which could be less than Wilder wants). Team Fury have given no indication of that though which says it all. Both sides were in on this IMO.
In hindsight it's also looking suspiciously like Fury's side were desperate for the Saudi offer not to come through. That's why they kept starting fires for Hearn to put out, while he was still negotiating with the Saudis, which most people found weird. I suspect this was all so that they could claim AJ never wanted the fight and then make out Wilder was the only one who wanted it. So Arum could then could put on the 3rd Wilder fight that the majority of boxing fans didn't think was necessary and blame AJ and Hearn for it. Who knows how the Saudis will take this going forward, they could have burned they bridges for any future fight. Is it some diva move because Hearn has a working relationship with them and they wont deal with Arum or Warren or do they just really not want the AJ fight?
All I'm hoping, is that the reason Fury himself didn't opt to go to court to get rid of Wilder, is that it will have meant an 18month break since Fury was last in the ring. Which most of us would have understood, if he was honest about it because he would normally have a tune up after a break that long. Wilder will be in the same boat as Fury and he's already beaten him twice in his mind, so that's a different story. It's the bullshit and leading people on that people will rightly call him out for.
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jay_mcfc
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Josh Taylor is on the verge of absolute greatness yet no one is arsed and it's not on UK tv at the moment?
I've said before on here there are two Brits I wouldn't mind getting pasted and that's BJS and Taylor. There is something about Taylor that is really annoying and I wonder if the UK media and promoters feel the same? It's actually mad what he could achieve at the weekend and he'd undoubtedly sell out a stadium in Glasgow, so why the apathy towards him?
I've said before on here there are two Brits I wouldn't mind getting pasted and that's BJS and Taylor. There is something about Taylor that is really annoying and I wonder if the UK media and promoters feel the same? It's actually mad what he could achieve at the weekend and he'd undoubtedly sell out a stadium in Glasgow, so why the apathy towards him?
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I think FiteTV picked it up mateJosh Taylor is on the verge of absolute greatness yet no one is arsed and it's not on UK tv at the moment?
I've said before on here there are two Brits I wouldn't mind getting pasted and that's BJS and Taylor. There is something about Taylor that is really annoying and I wonder if the UK media and promoters feel the same? It's actually mad what he could achieve at the weekend and he'd undoubtedly sell out a stadium in Glasgow, so why the apathy towards him?
jay_mcfc
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Says it allI think FiteTV picked it up mate