The Boxing thread

[LongsightM13]

Willie Limond, a lightweight with a bantamweight's punch — only eight stoppage wins in almost 40 fights — put Khan on his arse and many feel Khan was given a long count that night, should've been a KO loss.
Michael Gomez, back from retirement and his mind and body ravaged by drink and God knows what else, also dropped him.
Prescott only had to cough and Khan was in trouble.
These are a long way from the elite.
Khan's team will look to pad his record with smaller and older men, decent names but on the decline, in order to get another shot. But they know he will always come up short against the very best at their peak

 

[Dirty Harry]

I wouldn't call Khan 'chinny' as such, because he has taken shots before and got through it. Part of taking a shot is your conditioning and tbf to the kid his conditioning has always been pretty decent. The problem with his is his head positioning when he fights, his chin isn't tucked in or even down, its almost out there as a homing beacon to be hadoukened. With that in mind, that IS something you can be taught, but whether he is the type of person that will take the teaching on board is another thing. PBF and Ward are both brilliant defensive fighters as was B-HOP, all 3 of these guys have one thing in common and it is how the protect their chin almost into their shoulder and minimise that target, I just can't see Khan doing that consistently enough to become a great.
There's a guy in MMA (sorry to bring that into boxing) called Jorge Gurgel, he's a black belt in Jiu Jitsu and is one of the best on the ground in the States. He could beat many fighers at his weigh class if he took the fight to the ground but he chooses to standup and not just fight but to get in wars which he nearly always loses. I think Khan is the boxing version, his speed and movement should mean he doesn't get hit but his want for punching wars and to prove something means he will get KTFO.

Some fair comments in there mate, especially that last bit, for me it comes down to Khan's ego, natural 'fight or flight' response, and stupidity.

 

[conormcfc]

Willie Limond, a lightweight with a bantamweight's punch — only eight stoppage wins in almost 40 fights — put Khan on his arse and many feel Khan was given a long count that night, should've been a KO loss.
Michael Gomez, back from retirement and his mind and body ravaged by drink and God knows what else, also dropped him.
Prescott only had to cough and Khan was in trouble.
These are a long way from the elite.
Khan's team will look to pad his record with smaller and older men, decent names but on the decline, in order to get another shot. But they know he will always come up short against the very best at their peak

Marcos Maidana, P4P one of the hardest hitting fighters of this generation, didn't drop him.

You make it seem like he wouldn't be able to go the distance with someone who hits harder than Malignaggi.

 

[shevtheblue]

I wouldn't call Khan 'chinny' as such, because he has taken shots before and got through it. Part of taking a shot is your conditioning and tbf to the kid his conditioning has always been pretty decent. The problem with his is his head positioning when he fights, his chin isn't tucked in or even down, its almost out there as a homing beacon to be hadoukened. With that in mind, that IS something you can be taught, but whether he is the type of person that will take the teaching on board is another thing. PBF and Ward are both brilliant defensive fighters as was B-HOP, all 3 of these guys have one thing in common and it is how the protect their chin almost into their shoulder and minimise that target, I just can't see Khan doing that consistently enough to become a great.
There's a guy in MMA (sorry to bring that into boxing) called Jorge Gurgel, he's a black belt in Jiu Jitsu and is one of the best on the ground in the States. He could beat many fighers at his weigh class if he took the fight to the ground but he chooses to standup and not just fight but to get in wars which he nearly always loses. I think Khan is the boxing version, his speed and movement should mean he doesn't get hit but his want for punching wars and to prove something means he will get KTFO.

agree with a lot of that mate good post but i do think he is chinny, i always remember a very early jab from prescott making his legs do a silly dance

Yep, but again his head positioning is perfect for the required movement to cause the rocking motion that equals a concussion. The reason they talk about chins is because that is a good point to force your head to make an involuntary movement, just like the temple is I believe. My point is, if he doesn't put his chin and temple at risk then he doesn't get caught. PBF has only really been caught once and that was vs Mosley. He recovered from that for two reasons, 1 is his amazing conditioning and 2 is because his bell has not been rung as many times as other fighters (i presume they take it easy in training but who knows). In my opinion, your brain is a ticket and you can only punch that ticket a certain number of times before it runs out, so the more times you have been hit (hard or not) the less resistance you have to punches. With Khans defence being so poor, he is getting that ticket punched a lot more than someone like PBF or indeed BHOP did.<br /><br />-- Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:00 pm --<br /><br />

I wouldn't call Khan 'chinny' as such, because he has taken shots before and got through it. Part of taking a shot is your conditioning and tbf to the kid his conditioning has always been pretty decent. The problem with his is his head positioning when he fights, his chin isn't tucked in or even down, its almost out there as a homing beacon to be hadoukened. With that in mind, that IS something you can be taught, but whether he is the type of person that will take the teaching on board is another thing. PBF and Ward are both brilliant defensive fighters as was B-HOP, all 3 of these guys have one thing in common and it is how the protect their chin almost into their shoulder and minimise that target, I just can't see Khan doing that consistently enough to become a great.
There's a guy in MMA (sorry to bring that into boxing) called Jorge Gurgel, he's a black belt in Jiu Jitsu and is one of the best on the ground in the States. He could beat many fighers at his weigh class if he took the fight to the ground but he chooses to standup and not just fight but to get in wars which he nearly always loses. I think Khan is the boxing version, his speed and movement should mean he doesn't get hit but his want for punching wars and to prove something means he will get KTFO.

Some fair comments in there mate, especially that last bit, for me it comes down to Khan's ego, natural 'fight or flight' response, and stupidity.

Exactly, while it's commendable that he doesn't shirk from a fight, he's a boxer not a fighter and his ability to absorb the punches isn't as high as say a Mexican fighters.

 

[conormcfc]

Ricky Burns is running from the Broner fight.

Think Broner has signed to fight Gavin Rees now.

 

[ono]

Willie Limond, a lightweight with a bantamweight's punch — only eight stoppage wins in almost 40 fights — put Khan on his arse and many feel Khan was given a long count that night, should've been a KO loss.
Michael Gomez, back from retirement and his mind and body ravaged by drink and God knows what else, also dropped him.
Prescott only had to cough and Khan was in trouble.
These are a long way from the elite.
Khan's team will look to pad his record with smaller and older men, decent names but on the decline, in order to get another shot. But they know he will always come up short against the very best at their peak

I think that's a bit harsh mate.

Khan's susceptible to shots that hit him high on the top of the head. His 'chin' isn't that bad. Maidana hit him flush on the chin several times, and he also took several flush from Garcia before he was stopped.

As for padding his record....

Maidana, Peterson, Garcia, Judah and Malignaggi, all in the US. Not bad really.

Here's the top 15 at 140 ranked by Fightnews (to be fair, probably a couple of months out of date).

1: Tim Bradley
2. Marcos Maidana
3. Amir Khan
4. Lamont Peterson
5. Erik Morales
6. Lucas Matthysse
7. Humberto Soto
8. Andreas Kotelnik
9. Danny Garcia
10. Zab Judah
11. Mike Alvarado
12. Ajose Olusegun
13. Jessie Vargas
14. Joan Guzman
15. Ashley Theophane
16. Mercito Gesta

He's fought 5 out of the top 10 already, aswell as trying to make fights with both Bradley and Morales - both turned him down.

 

[Santiago Street]

It's a funny list that has Maidana at 2 and Theophane at 15 ffs but I agree with your points re Khan

Full credit to Edgar Hearn for getting Rees a shot at Broner though I think he'll be out of his depth

 

[bluemc1]

It's a funny list that has Maidana at 2 and Theophane at 15 ffs but I agree with your points re Khan

Full credit to Edgar Hearn for getting Rees a shot at Broner though I think he'll be out of his depth

yep agree 100% think it will be like Vargas v Clarke, Cotto v Jennings, Pavlik v Lockett

 

[kippaxwarrior]

Anyone watching Prize Fighter now
This match is a proper tear up

 

[1dart]

Anyone watching Prize Fighter now
This match is a proper tear up

Im watching, its been good so far. Ive sparred 100s of rounds with Mark Thompson from our amateur days so hope he wins, still a mate of mine. That Gaynor looks good mind.