The Boxing thread

[Txiki Vimto]

This just made me laugh.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwrHC-zecV0[/youtube]

Bare in mind there's 80k+ in the crowd the commentator says: "Joe Humphreys, one of the greatest ring announcers of all time. He won't use the loud speaker system, he says thats for sissies.' (22 seconds).

 

[Santiago Street]

Any of you lads box ?

As long as you aren't too good you might earn a few quid in September, Floyd COWARD Mayweather won't fight the winner of Trout/Canelo presumably on the basis that they would stand a chance of beating him so throw your name into the hat - you'll probably be a more credible opponent than whomever he ends up fighting

 

[Combat Carl]

Any of you lads box ?

As long as you aren't too good you might earn a few quid in September, Floyd COWARD Mayweather won't fight the winner of Trout/Canelo presumably on the basis that they would stand a chance of beating him so throw your name into the hat - you'll probably be a more credible opponent than whomever he ends up fighting

He's fighting Guerrero, a four weight world champion for his next fight, Floyd says he's 100 % committed to this fight and won't look to Canelo or Trout till after this fight. Name one fighter who Floyd has ducked?

 

[Santiago Street]

Any of you lads box ?

As long as you aren't too good you might earn a few quid in September, Floyd COWARD Mayweather won't fight the winner of Trout/Canelo presumably on the basis that they would stand a chance of beating him so throw your name into the hat - you'll probably be a more credible opponent than whomever he ends up fighting

He's fighting Guerrero, a four weight world champion for his next fight, Floyd says he's 100 % committed to this fight and won't look to Canelo or Trout till after this fight. Name one fighter who Floyd has ducked?

It's not as black and white as that though. Extend your question to which fighters in their prime or at their normal weight Floyd has ducked and it's a long list. Guerrero won't give him half as much trouble as any of these guys would have done were they given the opportunity imo.

Paul Williams

Vernon Forrest

Sugar Shane

Cotto

Margarito

Pacman

Martinez

Guerrero can't hurt Floyd. He's an overmatched lightweight at best who's fought nobody serious at 147 and he gets cherry picked for his style and lack of concussive power in front of guys like JMM or Pacman or Martinez or Canelo.

He gives boxing a bad name

 

[bluemc1]

Any of you lads box ?

As long as you aren't too good you might earn a few quid in September, Floyd COWARD Mayweather won't fight the winner of Trout/Canelo presumably on the basis that they would stand a chance of beating him so throw your name into the hat - you'll probably be a more credible opponent than whomever he ends up fighting

He's fighting Guerrero, a four weight world champion for his next fight, Floyd says he's 100 % committed to this fight and won't look to Canelo or Trout till after this fight. Name one fighter who Floyd has ducked?

It's not as black and white as that though. Extend your question to which fighters in their prime or at their normal weight Floyd has ducked and it's a long list. Guerrero won't give him half as much trouble as any of these guys would have done were they given the opportunity imo.

Paul Williams

Vernon Forrest

Sugar Shane

Cotto

Margarito

Pacman

Martinez

Guerrero can't hurt Floyd. He's an overmatched lightweight at best who's fought nobody serious at 147 and he gets cherry picked for his style and lack of concussive power in front of guys like JMM or Pacman or Martinez or Canelo.

He gives boxing a bad name

when he fought Corrales he was undefeated and knocking everone he faced out, before they boxed the bookies had them at both at 5/6 i know this as i backed mayweather and he gave him a boxing lesson, also Manfredy, please look no further than the only man to make JMM someone you mention like a club fighter<br /><br />-- Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:09 pm --<br /><br />

He's fighting Guerrero, a four weight world champion for his next fight, Floyd says he's 100 % committed to this fight and won't look to Canelo or Trout till after this fight. Name one fighter who Floyd has ducked?

It's not as black and white as that though. Extend your question to which fighters in their prime or at their normal weight Floyd has ducked and it's a long list. Guerrero won't give him half as much trouble as any of these guys would have done were they given the opportunity imo.

Paul Williams

Vernon Forrest

Sugar Shane

Cotto

Margarito

Pacman

Martinez

Guerrero can't hurt Floyd. He's an overmatched lightweight at best who's fought nobody serious at 147 and he gets cherry picked for his style and lack of concussive power in front of guys like JMM or Pacman or Martinez or Canelo.

He gives boxing a bad name

when he fought Corrales he was undefeated and knocking everone he faced out, before they boxed the bookies had them at both at 5/6 i know this as i backed mayweather and he gave him a boxing lesson, also Manfredy, please look no further than the only man to make JMM someone you mention like a club fighter

also everyone on your list has lost to fighters they were expected to beat, Mayweather hasn't .

 

[conormcfc]

also everyone on your list has lost to fighters they were expected to beat, Mayweather hasn't .

All the greats have. It's called taking on live threats.

Don't fight the best, don't lose. Is Sven Ottke the greatest super-middleweight of all time?

 

[bluemc1]

also everyone on your list has lost to fighters they were expected to beat, Mayweather hasn't .

All the greats have. It's called taking on live threats.

Don't fight the best, don't lose. Is Sven Ottke the greatest super-middleweight of all time?

Nope but he never fought Hernandez, Manfredy, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La hoya, Hatton, JMM, Mosley, Cotto....... i think history will say they were all live threats,

 

[conormcfc]

also everyone on your list has lost to fighters they were expected to beat, Mayweather hasn't .

All the greats have. It's called taking on live threats.

Don't fight the best, don't lose. Is Sven Ottke the greatest super-middleweight of all time?

Nope but he never fought Hernandez, Manfredy, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La hoya, Hatton, JMM, Mosley, Cotto....... i think history will say they were all live threats,

The only live threats there are Corrales, Castillo and possibly Mosley which I would give him credit for as Mosley was coming off the Margarito win and was a genuine top 2 welterweight at the time. Floyd was a beast at featherweight/lightweight, I wouldn't argue that, but in the last 8/9 or so years he has avoided a lot of the threats.

The rest are either 'decent' wins (Gatti/Judah/Cotto), fighters on their last legs (De La Hoya), a fighter who was never a threat in Hatton (put Baldomir in here too), or someone who had to go up 17 pounds in weight from his previous fight in JMM.

A decent resume, nothing worthy of the greats. Even if you compare his resume to other top fighters from his generation (De La Hoya, Mosley, Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins, Jones Jr). To be great you fight the greats, that resume isn't the makings of great legacy.<br /><br />-- 28 Feb 2013, 21:54 --<br /><br />It really isn't even a debate that needs to be had, considering the fact that every time he has been questioned about his inability to fight the best, his response has always been something along the lines of:

"Legacy don't pay the bills"

He willfully acknowledges that he isn't arsed about becoming an all time great.

 

[bluemc1]

All the greats have. It's called taking on live threats.

Don't fight the best, don't lose. Is Sven Ottke the greatest super-middleweight of all time?

Nope but he never fought Hernandez, Manfredy, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La hoya, Hatton, JMM, Mosley, Cotto....... i think history will say they were all live threats,

The only live threats there are Corrales, Castillo and possibly Mosley which I would give him credit for as Mosley was coming off the Margarito win and was a genuine top 2 welterweight at the time. Floyd was a beast at featherweight/lightweight, I wouldn't argue that, but in the last 8/9 or so years he has avoided a lot of the threats.

The rest are either 'decent' wins (Gatti/Judah/Cotto), fighters on their last legs (De La Hoya), a fighter who was never a threat in Hatton (put Baldomir in here too), or someone who had to go up 17 pounds in weight from his previous fight in JMM.

A decent resume, nothing worthy of the greats. Even if you compare his resume to other top fighters from his generation (De La Hoya, Mosley, Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins, Jones Jr). To be great you fight the greats, that resume isn't the makings of great legacy.

who is it you would of wanted him to fight that he didn't and what do you think the outcome of that fight would of been, i know written words can sound like an argument so ill just say its a genuine question, for me the most obvious one is Manny and just look at their showings v JMM don't think Mayweather had to get out of second gear to beat him,
think of my list only Gatti wasn't a top 20 P4P fighter when he beat them

 

[conormcfc]

who is it you would of wanted him to fight that he didn't and what do you think the outcome of that fight would of been, i know written words can sound like an argument so ill just say its a genuine question, for me the most obvious one is Manny and just look at their showings v JMM don't think Mayweather had to get out of second gear to beat him,
think of my list only Gatti wasn't a top 20 P4P fighter when he beat them

It would be most of the guys Santiago listed (Cotto fight should've happened 4 years earlier, Mosley 7/8 years earlier, Pacquiao 3/4 years ago.) The point is that is doesn't matter how we THINK the fight would have gone, the point is that he never fought them and PROVED how great he was.

If Sugar Ray Leonard had avoided Duran, Hagler and Hearns would he be as great? People woud've probably favoured SRL on paper, but if he didn't fight them, he doesn't have the legacy. Same thing with Floyd. On PAPER he beats most, but being a great fighter on paper isn't that difficult is it?

If Foreman had never fought Ali, people like you would just say:

"Well look at how many problems Ali had with Frazier, did Foreman even have to get out of 1st gear to beat Frazier? Foreman would batter Ali, Foreman is better than Ali".

Doesn't work like that does it, you fight them and you prove your greatness. Which is why Floyd won't be up there with the greats when all is said and done.