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leighton said:
SuperKevinHorlock said:
My advice never listen to Leightons prizefighter bets(was it Timlin you predicted would win the heavyweight prizefighter? Lost first round if I remember rightly)
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I also predicted Wille Big Bang Casey and if I remember corectly a couple of people on here had him to win it as well.

Regarding Khan getting the blame on fight not happening well lets be honest here he is known to be a nightmare to work with down the years. So many fights never got made be it with Thaxton or Murray that should of been made because Warren back then wouldnt offer the money they deserved.

Now the Khans are continuing on were Warren left off how many fighters were linked with Khan before McCloskey signed. Then to top it off they fuck it up and move away from Sky to Primetime were they didnt get the numbers. Khan wont fight in the UK for a long long time after the shit he pulled with Sky.
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Again mate, i have to disagree with you.

Thaxton was offered a career high pay day to fight Khan, and he turned it down. Mick Hennessey did such a shit job with Murray, that no high profile fighter would fight him. There wouldn't be anything to be gained from it.

As for what happened with Sky....again, it's not Khan's fault.

Khan signed a deal with Sky to fight on Sky Box Office. The undercard fell apart which lead to Sky demoting the show from PPV to regular Sky. This meant that Khan would earn a great deal less than he should have. You're talking a drop from £1m+ to somewhere around £250k, if that.

Khan opted to take the fight to a rival network, as is his right. It was 100% Sky's fault, for relying on guys like Matthew Macklin and Tyson Fury to make the whole card PPV worthy.

I fail to see how it was Khan's fault. What was he supposed to do?
 
ono said:
leighton said:
I also predicted Wille Big Bang Casey and if I remember corectly a couple of people on here had him to win it as well.

Regarding Khan getting the blame on fight not happening well lets be honest here he is known to be a nightmare to work with down the years. So many fights never got made be it with Thaxton or Murray that should of been made because Warren back then wouldnt offer the money they deserved.

Now the Khans are continuing on were Warren left off how many fighters were linked with Khan before McCloskey signed. Then to top it off they fuck it up and move away from Sky to Primetime were they didnt get the numbers. Khan wont fight in the UK for a long long time after the shit he pulled with Sky.
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Again mate, i have to disagree with you.

Thaxton was offered a career high pay day to fight Khan, and he turned it down. Mick Hennessey did such a shit job with Murray, that no high profile fighter would fight him. There wouldn't be anything to be gained from it.

As for what happened with Sky....again, it's not Khan's fault.

Khan signed a deal with Sky to fight on Sky Box Office. The undercard fell apart which lead to Sky demoting the show from PPV to regular Sky. This meant that Khan would earn a great deal less than he should have. You're talking a drop from £1m+ to somewhere around £250k, if that.

Khan opted to take the fight to a rival network, as is his right. It was 100% Sky's fault, for relying on guys like Matthew Macklin and Tyson Fury to make the whole card PPV worthy.

I fail to see how it was Khan's fault. What was he supposed to do?
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Ono I think on this subject we will never argee on it. Khan for a quick buck has fucked it up for him in the longterm on Sky as a PPV star. Sky have now decided not to show any PPVs with the main event at 4 or 5 am anymore as they dont sell. They have the Pacman v Mosley fight on for free next weekend and if they wanted to they could of put that as a PPV event with the Prizefighter on earlier in the night.
Khan is being advised wrongly by his team who know fuck all about advising fighters. There last event was a shambles from the get go. Sky were right for dropping from PPV as it wasnt PPV standard. I cant see why its Skys fault they had him on a number of fights before it building up to the fight and it wasnt selling on boxoffice. I dont know how well it done as the exact figures are hard to find but it will be doing well but if they pulled in 30 - 35000 buyers as far as I know Primetime isnt on all the platforms like Sky is aswell so on that alone they are loosing potential customers same as in Ireland they wouldnt have sold much so it would of only been off UK sales. There are times were you just take a hit for the longterm gain open the fight up to the wider range of people then the next time more people will buy into you.
 
leighton said:
ono said:
Again mate, i have to disagree with you.

Thaxton was offered a career high pay day to fight Khan, and he turned it down. Mick Hennessey did such a shit job with Murray, that no high profile fighter would fight him. There wouldn't be anything to be gained from it.

As for what happened with Sky....again, it's not Khan's fault.

Khan signed a deal with Sky to fight on Sky Box Office. The undercard fell apart which lead to Sky demoting the show from PPV to regular Sky. This meant that Khan would earn a great deal less than he should have. You're talking a drop from £1m+ to somewhere around £250k, if that.

Khan opted to take the fight to a rival network, as is his right. It was 100% Sky's fault, for relying on guys like Matthew Macklin and Tyson Fury to make the whole card PPV worthy.

I fail to see how it was Khan's fault. What was he supposed to do?
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Ono I think on this subject we will never argee on it. Khan for a quick buck has fucked it up for him in the longterm on Sky as a PPV star. Sky have now decided not to show any PPVs with the main event at 4 or 5 am anymore as they dont sell. They have the Pacman v Mosley fight on for free next weekend and if they wanted to they could of put that as a PPV event with the Prizefighter on earlier in the night.
Khan is being advised wrongly by his team who know fuck all about advising fighters. There last event was a shambles from the get go. Sky were right for dropping from PPV as it wasnt PPV standard. I cant see why its Skys fault they had him on a number of fights before it building up to the fight and it wasnt selling on boxoffice. I dont know how well it done as the exact figures are hard to find but it will be doing well but if they pulled in 30 - 35000 buyers as far as I know Primetime isnt on all the platforms like Sky is aswell so on that alone they are loosing potential customers same as in Ireland they wouldnt have sold much so it would of only been off UK sales. There are times were you just take a hit for the longterm gain open the fight up to the wider range of people then the next time more people will buy into you.
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Sky rarely do show 4am fights as PPV's. Infact, they only ever really do it if it involves an English fighter. Like you say, they don't do the numbers.

However, Khan - Maidana did alright and that was a 4am job. Khan - McCloskey hadn't done well in terms of pre fight sales, but that's where Sky should come in. Promotion was largely left down to the last week and because of what happened, none of the preview shows aired at all. So it's hard to tell exactly how well it would have done if it was promoted properly. I'd imagine it would do similar numbers to his fight with Salita.

Basically, Khan was set to make £1.25m for the fight. After Sky demoted it from PPV, he would only make £250,000. At the end of the day, he felt he could make more from Primetime. When the Bradley fight comes to fruition, Sky will come crawling back. They won't hold a grudge if they feel Khan can earn them a lot of money (which he can).

Like i said earlier, i fail to see how anyone can blame Khan for this. You can't reduce somebody's purse by 4/5's and expect them to be happy about it. He was well within his rights to go to a rival network. Sky will be lucky if he doesn't fuck them off if anything.
 
I dont think Sky will be pushed to be honest with you if Khan goes on his own. They will be looking to push Degail to Box office from now on if he keeps progressing the way he is.
If I remember right Khan V Maidana also had a decent card from England with Groves and Degail on the English bill to get people to buy into the PPV this is what will be needed for Khan he has to team up with a Warren or Matchroom to get a great card in the UK and him fight in the US and split the PPV between them.
 
ono said:
Either way, Bradley has got 48 hours to decide what he wants to do. Khan's looking at Judah, Guerrero and Morales as possible opponents.

Guerrero would beat Khan imo.
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I think Morales is working on getting a rematch with Maidana after the first fight being so close and him fighting with 1 eye for most of it. I had it at best 1 round to Maidana or a draw on the night. America will buy into a rematch of that fight more than Khan fighting Morales. Being greedy I dont want to see Morales fighting Khan as Morales is past his prime and Khan is coming into his better years. If it was the Morales of the wars with Barrera or Pacman then I would love to see it but he isnt near that level now.
Guerrero The Ghost moving up a weight division not too sure that will happen just yet. Who knows maybe Guerrero v Marquez would be more likely to be made if Pacman doesnt fight Marquez again I would rather watch that fight first.
Zab Judah can be made there is no doubting it as Zab promotes himself still has the power but he will be looking for a bigger pay day than Bradley is as if he looses there is no way he will come back to the level he is now.

Bradley should be the fight that gets made the so called best 2 in the divison no fighter should be getting more than the other it should be a 50-50 split on everything and thats what Gary Shaw will be looking for Bradley for the Khan fight his fighter is unbeaten with 2 World titles he deserves the 50-50.
 
I think it actually was 50-50. HBO offered $3m for the fight. Bradley's offer was just over $1.4m so that wasn't the reason it collapsed.

It's collapsed because HBO promised Bradley $1.2m for his next fight pretty much regardless of who it was against (providing they accept it). So he could theoretically fight a weaker fighter, pocket $1.2m, and then take the Khan pay day afterwards.
 
Mike Perez is favourite with the bookies for this weekends Prizefighter Paddy Power has him at 11/8 there must of been a lot of money put on him for him to be that short on Paddy Power. When you compare the odds on Skybet Perez is 9/4 favourite. They are the only 2 that have the odds up no great value for him. His training is great first fight up on the night which helps longer recovery time between fights. Now I dont think I will be putting money on it at those prices will wait until Saturday before I make my mind up. Would rather put some money on Mosley getting the upset win in the Pacman fight latter the night. A great weekend of boxing Saturday night couple of cans and watching the boxing.
 
leighton said:
Mike Perez is favourite with the bookies for this weekends Prizefighter Paddy Power has him at 11/8 there must of been a lot of money put on him for him to be that short on Paddy Power. When you compare the odds on Skybet Perez is 9/4 favourite. They are the only 2 that have the odds up no great value for him. His training is great first fight up on the night which helps longer recovery time between fights. Now I dont think I will be putting money on it at those prices will wait until Saturday before I make my mind up. Would rather put some money on Mosley getting the upset win in the Pacman fight latter the night. A great weekend of boxing Saturday night couple of cans and watching the boxing.
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Should be good mate. What you reckon for Pacquiao - Mosley? I reckon Pacquiao can stop him.
 
ono said:
Should be good mate. What you reckon for Pacquiao - Mosley? I reckon Pacquiao can stop him.
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I'm surprised he took the Mosley fight. He's got little to gain from it (particularly after Mayweather schooled him), but a lot to lose.

If we never see a Mayweather vs Pacquiao showdown boxing will lose yet more credibility, not to mention it would be an absolute crying shame.

I've got a little money on Manny to stop Mosley btw, hoping for a good fight.
 
ono said:
leighton said:
Mike Perez is favourite with the bookies for this weekends Prizefighter Paddy Power has him at 11/8 there must of been a lot of money put on him for him to be that short on Paddy Power. When you compare the odds on Skybet Perez is 9/4 favourite. They are the only 2 that have the odds up no great value for him. His training is great first fight up on the night which helps longer recovery time between fights. Now I dont think I will be putting money on it at those prices will wait until Saturday before I make my mind up. Would rather put some money on Mosley getting the upset win in the Pacman fight latter the night. A great weekend of boxing Saturday night couple of cans and watching the boxing.
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Should be good mate. What you reckon for Pacquiao - Mosley? I reckon Pacquiao can stop him.
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The way things have gone with Mosley he should of retired after the Mayweather fight no harm in retiring after that fight in my opinion. The last fight he won was 2 years ago so this should be a easy night for Pacman. Last fight against Mora was a draw. Why Pacman has decided to go for this fight over a fight with Marquez I will never know. The rumours are that when Pacman wins his next fight could well be against Marquez.
Regarding the fight Saturday night Mosley will start fast if he can stun Pacman early you just never know what will happen. Once the early rounds go by Pacman will push on and will take the win with maybe a late stoppage or by 6 rounds or more on the cards. I would love to see Mosley win it and retire from the sport as a World Champion. He was in some great fights with Winky Wright , De La Hoya and Vernon Forest over the years I just dont want to see him taking any more bad defeats. He has never been stopped but I feel this weekend will see it change if Pacman is going to go for the kill.
 
leighton said:
ono said:
Should be good mate. What you reckon for Pacquiao - Mosley? I reckon Pacquiao can stop him.
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The way things have gone with Mosley he should of retired after the Mayweather fight no harm in retiring after that fight in my opinion. The last fight he won was 2 years ago so this should be a easy night for Pacman. Last fight against Mora was a draw. Why Pacman has decided to go for this fight over a fight with Marquez I will never know. The rumours are that when Pacman wins his next fight could well be against Marquez.
Regarding the fight Saturday night Mosley will start fast if he can stun Pacman early you just never know what will happen. Once the early rounds go by Pacman will push on and will take the win with maybe a late stoppage or by 6 rounds or more on the cards. I would love to see Mosley win it and retire from the sport as a World Champion. He was in some great fights with Winky Wright , De La Hoya and Vernon Forest over the years I just dont want to see him taking any more bad defeats. He has never been stopped but I feel this weekend will see it change if Pacman is going to go for the kill.
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Yeah i just remember how quickly he gassed against Mayweather. Pacquiao is going to make him work much harder because he's a much busier fighter than Mayweather.

I just don't see it going well for him, unless he can hurt him like he did to Mayweather.<br /><br />-- Wed May 04, 2011 10:33 pm --<br /><br />
*singingtheblues* said:
ono said:
Should be good mate. What you reckon for Pacquiao - Mosley? I reckon Pacquiao can stop him.
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I'm surprised he took the Mosley fight. He's got little to gain from it (particularly after Mayweather schooled him), but a lot to lose.

If we never see a Mayweather vs Pacquiao showdown boxing will lose yet more credibility, not to mention it would be an absolute crying shame.

I've got a little money on Manny to stop Mosley btw, hoping for a good fight.
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The money was great and he's a bigger name than any of the other possible opponents. Roach admitted that a while back.

When you think about it, he's right. There's fuck all else out there really aside from Mayweather.
 
*singingtheblues* said:
ono said:
Should be good mate. What you reckon for Pacquiao - Mosley? I reckon Pacquiao can stop him.
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I'm surprised he took the Mosley fight. He's got little to gain from it (particularly after Mayweather schooled him), but a lot to lose.

If we never see a Mayweather vs Pacquiao showdown boxing will lose yet more credibility, not to mention it would be an absolute crying shame.

I've got a little money on Manny to stop Mosley btw, hoping for a good fight.
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Money v Pacman will never happen. Moneys last fight was over a year ago and while the court case looms over him I cant see him even thinking about fighting until he sorts that out first. Rumours going around that he will fight Victor Ortiz in September but the longer the court case the bigger question mark over Money fighting again. To be honest it wouldnt shock me if he calls it a day he has nothing to prove to anyone will go down as 1 of the modern day greats for me.
 
leighton said:
To be honest it wouldnt shock me if he calls it a day he has nothing to prove to anyone will go down as 1 of the modern day greats for me.
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Apart from the millions of boxing fans who have constantly accused him of taking the easy fights throughout his career? Come on Leighton, the guy still has things to prove in the ring.


Hopkins/Pascal HBO face off
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7llp_L-riVM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Funny stuff.<br /><br />-- 05 May 2011, 00:36 --<br /><br />Haha seriously, everyone needs to watch all of that face off vid. I'd only watched the first few minutes when I posted it but some of the shit they come out with towards the end is priceless.
 
Conor if you dont like Money so be it but to say that the fighters he boxed over the years were easy fights is bullshit. Look at his last few fights who has then went to fight them after him Pacman so what it says to me is Pacman is also taking easy fights.

Money has boxed some great boxers who went on to win World Titles Jesus Chavez was a avoided fighter and Money took him on after that fight Chavez went on to win a World Title and also face Morales. Diegio Corrales and 2 fights back to back with Castillo. Even check out his last 8 fights Arturo Gatti , Sharmba Mitchell , Zab Judah , Carlos Baldomir , De La Hoya , Hatton , Marquez and Mosley. Yes the whole lot of those fights were easy fights. Yes Money may have made them easy fights but all those fighters were good fighters and fight when made his talent back then was amazing and thats why he was pound 4 pound king for so long.
 
leighton said:
Conor if you dont like Money so be it but to say that the fighters he boxed over the years were easy fights is bullshit. Look at his last few fights who has then went to fight them after him Pacman so what it says to me is Pacman is also taking easy fights.

Money has boxed some great boxers who went on to win World Titles Jesus Chavez was a avoided fighter and Money took him on after that fight Chavez went on to win a World Title and also face Morales. Diegio Corrales and 2 fights back to back with Castillo. Even check out his last 8 fights Arturo Gatti , Sharmba Mitchell , Zab Judah , Carlos Baldomir , De La Hoya , Hatton , Marquez and Mosley. Yes the whole lot of those fights were easy fights. Yes Money may have made them easy fights but all those fighters were good fighters and fight when made his talent back then was amazing and thats why he was pound 4 pound king for so long.
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I never said It was me accusing him of it, but you can't deny that millions of boxing fans feel that way about him.


Gamboa was arrested for domestic violence today.
http://www.boxingscene.com/yuriorkis-gamboa-arrested-domestic-violence--38845
With this and Juanma losing last week, the featherweight division is beginning to look bare.
 
conormcfc said:
leighton said:
Conor if you dont like Money so be it but to say that the fighters he boxed over the years were easy fights is bullshit. Look at his last few fights who has then went to fight them after him Pacman so what it says to me is Pacman is also taking easy fights.

Money has boxed some great boxers who went on to win World Titles Jesus Chavez was a avoided fighter and Money took him on after that fight Chavez went on to win a World Title and also face Morales. Diegio Corrales and 2 fights back to back with Castillo. Even check out his last 8 fights Arturo Gatti , Sharmba Mitchell , Zab Judah , Carlos Baldomir , De La Hoya , Hatton , Marquez and Mosley. Yes the whole lot of those fights were easy fights. Yes Money may have made them easy fights but all those fighters were good fighters and fight when made his talent back then was amazing and thats why he was pound 4 pound king for so long.
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I never said It was me accusing him of it, but you can't deny that millions of boxing fans feel that way about him.


Gamboa was arrested for domestic violence today.
http://www.boxingscene.com/yuriorkis-gamboa-arrested-domestic-violence--38845
With this and Juanma losing last week, the featherweight division is beginning to look bare.
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Sorry Conor I took it up wrong. Some of the boxing world obsession with Pac v Money is a joke. Yes it would be great for them to fight but it wont happen. Moneys court date Pacman pursuing politics I see that 1 if not both will call it a day in the next 12 months. Theres match ups that never happen for 1 reason or another thats boxing for you.

I wouldnt be too worried about the featherweight division there are a number of sharks in the Super Bamtamweight division who will be more than happy to move up for the big fights. Poonswat would be ideal as a featherweight now.

See Premier Sports have the rights to show the Shobox events on Friday nights live this week they have Andrade fighting also they have the Sylvester fight live on Saturday.

Nice to see Carl Frochs fight is comfirmed to be on Sky I hope they show the other semi final of the Super 6 they missed a trick not showing the Super 6 some great fights over the tournament. Also Froch is now with Matchroom the Hearns are going back into boxing big time some of there fighters they have at the moment are very good and are on the verge of World title fights. Barker , Brook , McCloskey and now Froch are a fight or 2 away from the World title fights in some cases. Also Carl Frampton will be a big star for Matchroom in years to come look for them to sign Tyson Fury as well. Cant wait for Saturday City games on live on tv here at 3 then back to back boxing.<br /><br />-- Sat May 07, 2011 11:55 pm --<br /><br />What a beast Perez is. Took the prizefighter at ease. I hope that Matchroom take him on full time as he looks exciting and has the skills to go a long way in a division which is crying out for new blood. Get Perez v the winner of Fury v Chisora. I wouldnt mind the other Cubans based here are even better than big Perez these lads will be a promotors dream ticket to the big time.

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The build up to Haye v Klitschko starts already first press conference was on in Germany today and there in London tomorrow. No fireworks from Haye more Klitschko giving it the big one. This fight should be a good one for the summer Haye knows how to sell a fight unlike Khan and in a lesser division than the Khan 1 but it should be a cracker for as long as it lasts.
 
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