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Wilder would knock Joshua out that's why he's avoided him
AJ was the only one trying to make that fight happen, Lou Di Bella and even Deontay himself pretty much let the cat out of the bag with that. Wilder wouldn't have the chance to land on AJ IMO, he'd be knocked out first, he's limited with abysmal ring IQ. He wouldn't even fight Whyte, told him he will "freeze him out for 3 years".
 
I disagree with anyone saying AJ is shit or a hype job he earned his stripes, as is my right. I have always backed it up with facts too, where others almost always immediately resort straight to insults. Same goes for why Wilder is everything these people tried to say AJ was(a carefully managed hypjob) I posted a resume audit done by some American hardcore boxing fans which demonstrated it nicely, I've gone through some of the facts myself but nobody is interested in facts on here it seems.

I've never said people are wrong for rating Fury either, so that's more bullshit. I can disagree with how highly they rate him, if you're saying there's anything wrong with that then it's you with the attitude problem. I've never said Fury wasn't good either so I don't know why you're so defensive about it. Nothing I said in the posts you quoted was "wrong", they were either facts or opinions. You seem to just want a pro Fury-Aj is shit echo chamber and get pissy with everyone who dares to disagree.

That's the whole point about hypocrisy, quick to call others fanboys but everything you're doing demonstrates you're guilty of worse. All Paul1970 did was suggest Usyk beats Fury and people went off on one.

I suggest you go sober up anyway. I'm done here for the night.
Your entitled to your opinion. I don't agree with you but that doesn't mean you are wrong. Personally I've never rated Joshua I think he's over hyped, He was taken out of his comfort zone twice in his career (outside the UK) first time he got put on his ass four times, Second time he stayed behind his jab well but was far from convincing. He git rocked numerous times in his career by Whyte, Klitschko ect and then got completely dismantled by Usyk.
I think when he fights Usky again he'll be knocked out.
 
I disagree with anyone saying AJ is shit or a hype job he earned his stripes, as is my right. I have always backed it up with facts too, where others almost always immediately resort straight to insults. Same goes for why Wilder is everything these people tried to say AJ was(a carefully managed hypjob) I posted a resume audit done by some American hardcore boxing fans which demonstrated it nicely, I've gone through some of the facts myself but nobody is interested in facts on here it seems.

I've never said people are wrong for rating Fury either, so that's more bullshit. I can disagree with how highly they rate him, if you're saying there's anything wrong with that then it's you with the attitude problem. I've never said Fury wasn't good either(I do rate him) so I don't know why you're so defensive about it. Nothing I said in the posts you quoted was "wrong", they were either facts or opinions. You seem to just want a pro Fury-Aj is shit echo chamber and get pissy with everyone who dares to disagree.

That's the whole point about hypocrisy, quick to call others fanboys but everything you're doing demonstrates you're guilty of worse. All Paul1970 did was suggest Usyk beats Fury and people went off on one. That's all that comment was about and you went all weird digging up old posts that didn't even prove your point.

I suggest you go sober up anyway. I'm done here for the night.
AJ is shit and Fury would destroy him. Sky's golden boy and that's all he will ever be.
 
What was I wrong about? I don't think Fury is the second coming because he isn't. Deal with it and stop quoting random posts without making much sense what your problem is.
As I said your posts are all in this thread hiding them Doesn't actually hide them.
I disagree with anyone saying AJ is shit or a hype job he earned his stripes. I have always backed it up with facts where others resort straight to insults. Same goes for why Wilder is everything these people tried to say AJ was(a carefully managed hypjob) I posted a resume audit done by some American hardcore boxing fans which demonstrated it nicely, I've gone through some of the facts myself but nobody is interested in facts on here it seems.

I've never said people are wrong for rating Fury either so that's more bullshit. I've never said Fury wasn't good either so I don't know why you're so defensive about it. That's the whole point about hypocrisy, quick to call others fanboys but everything you're doing demonstrates you're guilty of worse. You seem to just want a pro Fury-Aj is shit echo chamber and get pissy with everyone who dares to disagree.
Defensive? Mirror, Mirror on the Wall.

Your posts are all there to see. You are a Joshua fanboy who has tried for years to pretend you are a neutral boxing fan - there is nothing wrong with being a fan of a particular boxer. I watched / attended every Ricky Hatton fight from Kingsway to Vegas - Your not, you are a Joshua fanboy. A boxing fan would over the last 3 year said, wow unreal Tyson Fury, amazing well done. Your story is telling us why Joshua as lost and why Tyson only won due to Wilder not being any good and how 5 year mandatory Whyte wasnt any good either. If Tyson fight a Marciano / Ali reincarnate at the top of his game you would tell us Tyson won due to a lack of warm up fight.

Its crazy because you know your boxing, your posts on non fanboy boxing shows that.
 
Your entitled to your opinion. I don't agree with you but that doesn't mean you are wrong. Personally I've never rated Joshua I think he's over hyped, He was taken out of his comfort zone twice in his career (outside the UK) first time he got put on his ass four times, Second time he stayed behind his jab well but was far from convincing. He git rocked numerous times in his career by Whyte, Klitschko ect and then got completely dismantled by Usyk.
I think when he fights Usky again he'll be knocked out.
I respect that. I don't think AJ is the second coming either FWIW, I just think people are way to harsh and get their facts wrong a lot(I blame twitter for that).

I hold my hands up and say I have been agro on here at times which is why I try and avoid this thread but if people were honest and look at the the way they approach the conversations, it's no wonder things get heated.
 
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As I said your posts are all in this thread hiding them Doesn't actually hide them.

Defensive? Mirror, Mirror on the Wall.

Your posts are all there to see. You are a Joshua fanboy who has tried for years to pretend you are a neutral boxing fan - there is nothing wrong with being a fan of a particular boxer. I watched / attended every Ricky Hatton fight from Kingsway to Vegas - Your not, you are a Joshua fanboy. A boxing fan would over the last 3 year said, wow unreal Tyson Fury, amazing well done. Your story is telling us why Joshua as lost and why Tyson only won due to Wilder not being any good and how 5 year mandatory Whyte wasnt any good either. If Tyson fight a Marciano / Ali reincarnate at the top of his game you would tell us Tyson won due to a lack of warm up fight.

Its crazy because you know your boxing, your posts on non fanboy boxing shows that.
I'm a fanboy because I don't think AJ is shit... Ok great logic. It seems your boxing knowledge revolves around one HW, not mine. I'm far more neutral than you by the looks of it(I give Fury plenty of credit you give AJ none). I like quite a few HWs and watch multiple weight classes, have done for many years. You're a Fury fanboy it's quite obvious you are by how invested you are in this.

Wilder was always overrated, I stand by that.



Sure everyone starts off slow, especially those with a late start to boxing. The full series should demonstrate just how bad the level of opponent was for a big portion of Wilder's career though(6years around 2/3s of his resume, compare that with AJ who had a late start to boxing too).

I think he gets too much credit for his chin too, he's been rocked by Molina, Breazeale(two fighters who never fazed AJ at all), he was out on his feet against Ortiz and saved by a dodgy doctor check to buy him recovery time. Wilder was signed with Goldenboy for his first 33 fights, where they matched him ridiculously easy. Robert Diaz was his match maker and he has gone on record to explain why that was. He very nearly lost his 0 against what was supposed to be a tomato can for him called Sconiers in his 13th fight(the count was long according to some but there's no footage because goldenboy scrubbed it). He literally said they avoided big punchers and matched him carefully much longer than they would have done from then on or something to that effect. I can give you a link if you want to hear it by all means. If that was AJ you'd be slating him to high heaven if any of the above applied to him. The people who have rocked AJ or put him down are all bigger punchers than any of the above. Whyte, Wlad, Povetkin, Ruiz, even Usyk's power is deceptive too with lazer accuracy.

Same goes for the "AJ ducked Wilder" nonsense. Anyone who does know their facts, knows Wilder ducked AJ 2-3 times and Wilder's 50m offer(the only claim he had) was debunked as bogus by none other than Frank Warren himself(he confirmed it would have had to be on BT sports and they knew AJ would be in breach of contract with Sky by accepting it). Even the premise they made the offer in was fishy: "Agree over social media or we walk. You have 24 hours and no you can't see the contract or proof of funds". If you don't think that looks exactly like the clout chasing that a lot of PBC fighters do over social media(selling wolf tickets as they say), then I don't think you are looking at it objectively.

You may not agree with my opinions but you can't argue with the facts(publicly available information). You've offered very little of those. The hypocrisy here is that you're doing exactly what you think I've done over comments suggesting they don't rate AJ, except for Fury when I haven't even said I don't rate him.

I said before the fight(on paper) Whyte will go down as one of his best wins and I stand by that, I even predicted a Fury win before the fight. It's a better win than Wilder for me because Whyte is more proven. However, it wasn't a great fight and I think it's fair to say Whyte underperformed. He was breathing heavy from round 2 onwards and didn't look in great shape. I know for a fact I'm not alone in any of that. Even some Fury fans are saying it. There's no fanboyism in that whatsoever, if you think there is, it says more about you.

Also, how is this not an example of something you said I would never find you doing? "I don't care about any boxers you wont see me leaping to anyone's defence" Lots of hypocrisy indeed!
"A boxing fan would over the last 3 year said, wow unreal Tyson Fury, amazing well done."

Hahaha! And again... Totally neutral, not leaping to Fury's defence, even when nobody is even bashing him or calling him "shite". So I'm a fanboy/hater because I didn't think amazing he beat Wilder 3 times? I give him plenty of credit the first two times(the second fight especially) for different reasons but I still think Wilder was overrated and I've backed up why I think that is(not to mention his best win is Ortiz, who's best win is now Charles Martin...). I don't particularly like Fury as a person or his cult like toxic fanbase but I've always rated him as a fighter.

Yes my posts are there for all to see, that's why I made them and I left them there. Thanks for pointing that out. So is your hypocrisy, there for all to see. You're the one seemingly going berserk at anyone suggesting Fury isn't the second coming of Ali("You're a fanboy if you don't say amazing, well done sir, credit to society and fuck AJ innit"). Also suggesting anyone saying AJ isn't shite or a hype job must be a fanboy(such extremes, some of what you're saying is really quite ridiculous).

In what world is suggesting AJ is "shite" fine but even politely disagreeing Fury beating the same overrated(he was certainly never the best HW at any point of his career, even while Fury was retired) fighter 3 times puts him up there with Ali is "out of order" and worthy of petty insults and "fangirl" remarks? I think you'll find that makes you the fanboy, if you believe that and the only one "posing as a neutral" is most certainly you by the looks of it. It's okay if you're a Fury fanboy but at least own it. ;)

I should also point out that some in past on this thread didn't seem to realise "the better resume" and "the better boxer" are two different arguments. The resume argument is subject to change(Fury's is looking much better after tonight) the accepted reasoning here is opponents with higher rankings and or more acheivements at the time they fought them are worth more. How good they are as boxers themselves is also subject to change to a lesser degree(they've both improved different sides of their game).

Right, we are done here anyway, this is going nowhere. I don't particularly care what you think at this point. You think I'm a fanboy, I think you're a fanboy, it doesn't really matter.

Edited: Just to show how off the mark his remarks are.
 
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I disagree with anyone saying AJ is shit or a hype job he earned his stripes, as is my right. I have always backed it up with facts too, where others almost always immediately resort straight to insults. Same goes for why Wilder is everything these people tried to say AJ was(a carefully managed hypjob) I posted a resume audit done by some American hardcore boxing fans which demonstrated it nicely, I've gone through some of the facts myself but nobody is interested in facts on here it seems.

I've never said people are wrong for rating Fury either, so that's more bullshit. I can disagree with how highly they rate him, if you're saying there's anything wrong with that then it's you with the attitude problem. I've never said Fury wasn't good either(I do rate him) so I don't know why you're so defensive about it. Nothing I said in the posts you quoted was "wrong", they were either facts or opinions. You seem to just want a pro Fury-Aj is shit echo chamber and get pissy with everyone who dares to disagree.

That's the whole point about hypocrisy, quick to call others fanboys but everything you're doing demonstrates you're guilty of worse. All Paul1970 did was suggest Usyk beats Fury and people went off on one. That's all that comment was about and you went all weird digging up old posts that didn't even prove your point.

I suggest you go sober up anyway. I'm done here for the night.
I couldnt care less about any boxer, nowhere will you find me continually, for years, post after post whether its joshua fighting or Fury Fighting telling people they are wrong - thats you. Ironically or not it was you who was wrong. Humility goes a long way.

Joshua was the bum all along.

Fury Was the champion all along.
 
I respect that. I don't think AJ is the second coming either FWIW, I just think people are way to harsh and get their facts wrong a lot(I blame twitter for that).

I hold my hands up and say I have been agro on here at times which is why I try and avoid this thread but if people were honest the way they approach the conversations, it's no wonder things get heated.
Let's be honest it's not only social media to blame for the carry on of Joshua, Joshua does himself no favours in that department either plus he was always Sky Sports golden boy and they will do what they always do build you up ro let you down.

I genuinely don't know what the discussion was with you and other posters as I haven't read through all the posts tonight. But in my opinion Joshua shouldn't be classed anywhere near Fury it's not a debate and if anything Joshua is going further down the pecking order. We should all be happy we are watching one of the best heavyweights ever in Tyson Fury, He can talk the talk and walk the walk.
 
I'm a fanboy because I don't think AJ is shit... Ok great logic.

Right we are done here anyway, enough I don't care what you think. It seems your boxing knowledge revolves around one HW, not mine. I like quite a few HWs.
You are a fanboy because for years and years ..... and years you have told us how good Joshua is, When everyone knew he gassed. Knew he couldnt take a punch, and knew he was cherry picking fighters who he could and should beat.

Here is a little test - Can you reply with a one word answer? Who is the best Joshua or Fury? One word.
 
I couldnt care less about any boxer, nowhere will you find me continually, for years, post after post whether its joshua fighting or Fury Fighting telling people they are wrong - thats you. Ironically or not it was you who was wrong. Humility goes a long way.

Joshua was the bum all along.

Fury Was the champion all along.
You've just literally spent half an hour telling me my opinions are wrong. lol

You're also quite literally jumping to Fury's defence with post after post, over opinions you don't like(I don't even need to go back to find examples). Not to mention using fanboy language like "AJ is bum" "Fury is the true champ"... But you couldn't care less about any boxer... hahaha pull the other one, clear as day an absolutely massive Fury fanboy.

Not to mention you quoted posts that don't actually demonstrate me telling people "they are wrong" in their opinions. Telling people you disagree and why is not it, just FYI.
 
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You are a fanboy because for years and years ..... and years you have told us how good Joshua is, When everyone knew he gassed. Knew he couldnt take a punch, and knew he was cherry picking fighters who he could and should beat.

Here is a little test - Can you reply with a one word answer? Who is the best Joshua or Fury? One word.
Better boxer? Fury.

Question for you: How do you cherry pick a mandatory? Title fights and unification fights can't be considered cherry picks either. Take those out and the mandataries and tell me where are all these cherry picks? Unless you're going back to his first 14 fights but then Fury's resume holds up no better there(if you want me go into all that I can).

In fact I will just tell you, he only had 3 voluntaries outside of the title fights/unification bouts and mandataries. Those were an undefeated Breazeale(who was ranked top 10 at the time). Molina which was just a tickover because they were trying to secure a unification bout against Wlad for the vacant WBA and IBO. Andy Ruiz Jr, who was 3rd choice behind Miller who was supposed to be the home fighter for a NYC fight(but popped dirty for a pharmacy full of PEDs). Ortiz, who's manager admits he messed up by turning that career high payday down by dismissing it as a "low ball" offer(if I recall correctly he didn't even tell Ortiz what the offer was worth, who was pissed when learned how much he lost out on). I think PBC wanted to protect Wilder's biggest win from being diminished personally. Ruiz Jr was never that bad of a fighter, he just wasn't well known. Most had him winning the vacant WBO bout against Parker in NZ(could have been the an undefeated world title holder in his own right when he met AJ instead). He was in shape too(had no time to get out of shape), he was in a meeting with Hearn days after a straight forward win against Dimitrenko(stopped in 5 rounds). The fight was signed within a week of that fight.

The cherry picking argument was always nonsense from people who don't know what mandataries are. It was really just about 2 fights in particular that haven't happened yet. The fact that they haven't happened yet, is not mutually exclusive with AJ not being a cherry picker, because AJ tried to make those fights. Wilder was always the one ducking AJ. Fury turned down 1 offer from AJ before the first Wilder rematch and it would take some serious mental gymnastics to blame AJ for why the Saudi fight didn't happen(personally I think Fury/Arum always intended on fighting Wilder a 3rd time). So Wilder has had at least 2 genuine offers from AJ and Fury has too, those are facts.

Another question: If AJ "can't take a punch", how did he take multiple flush shots, while gassed against a fighter with 53kos and statistically one of the best right hands in HW boxing(remember reading a stat about that)? Wilder was knocked out cold by Wlad with his second hardest punch(left hook), with headgear on. Confirmed by multiple people who were there. Those are facts, when put together, the logical conclusion would be that AJ has a better chin than Wilder.

You want to posture like you know the facts better than myself but you clearly don't(all this "you were wrong" talk is so ironic) or you wouldn't have typed the waffle you typed there. Can't take a punch... bullshit... Cherry picked opponents... bullshit.

You can have your opinions by all means but if you say something factually incorrect, then it's fair if someone wants to correct you on it. It seems this is what you're really annoyed about.

As for being "gassed":
AJ did have hype and lots of backing from early on, I agree. He was extremely marketable as demonstrated by his many brand endorsements. That never really bothered me much(it's nothing new in sports or boxing), nor is it relevant to the discussion about how good he is as a boxer, or how good his opponents have been. Which is all relative, if I say his top 6 best wins(Whyte, Wlad, Parker, Povetkin, Pulev, Ruiz Jr) are better than most of the top 10s, that's not the same as saying those wins were all amazing and of equal quality. I just means he's fought more highly ranked fighters than most of the top 10. You're free to disagree with that but at least show your reasoning, show me a top 5-6 that's better at HW currently. Fury's is closer now IMO - Chisora, Wlad, Wilder, Whyte.... Otto Wallin? Usyk - Chisora, AJ. Whyte - Chisora, Parker, Rivas, Povetkin-Recovering from Covid... Browne? Wilder - Ortiz... Stiverne?(hows he worth any more than a Charles Martin?). When people resort to just nit picking, in an attempt to dismiss all of AJ's best wins, it's like some people haven't even looked at the other fighters resumes(because you can do the same for theirs), before getting into an argument about it. You'd think that would be the minimum requirement for any comparisons to be drawn. Comparing their best wins based on the facts is not being a fanboy. I'd probably do the same with other fighters if I felt they were being held to a different standard or being dismissed via misinformation.

See that whole post of yours there screams either raving Fury fanboy or obsessed AJ hater who gets triggered(which is even weirder energy) at any comments that are remotely complimentary about AJ. How about AJ proved YOU wrong about his chin when he got up after several clean blows from a fighter with 53kos to his name. I've proved you wrong about the cherrypicking myth(twitter nonsense). You haven't the foggiest idea about most of the names on AJ's resume and why he fought them(mandataries, unification bouts etc). AJ proved you wrong by becoming not just world champion but a unified world champion. It's pretty obvious the way you're going on that you were one of those know it alls saying "I've seen this before, he's just another Audley Harrisson". That aged like milk considering how far he came(the two are literally incomparable). You probably expected Wlad to beat him too, not that you'll admit it. Now you're trying to save face in hindsight by applying all sorts of spin and plain inaccurate waffle. It's like the Sterling haters taken to the extreme, the ones that said he would be a £50m flop and got pissy with everyone who argued otherwise("I know my football yeah, you watch, he'll flop and I'll come back to this"). You just can't admit you were wrong because it would damage your ego. As for giving it the big I am about following Ricky Hatton(as if Ricky wasn't "gassed" himself, as you put it... I could see he was but I was still a fan of his too btw).. who gives a hoot, if you're chatting nonsense? It doesn't change anything about you being wrong in some of the things you're saying.

I find you quite bizarre really... how can someone who is wrong about so much of what he's saying pipe up about other people being proven wrong?
 
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They are as in your above own opinion proves.
Except it doesn't. I've always said Fury was the better boxer.

You've actually proved none of the things you said you have in the quotes you provided. You've gotten all personal and up in your feelings and come after me over very little in truth. I suggest you calm down and call it a night. I wont be replying again regardless.
 
You've just literally spent half an hour telling me my opinions are wrong. lol

Except it doesn't. I've always said Fury was the better boxer.

You've actually proved none of the things you said you have in the quotes you provided. You've gotten all personal and up in your feelings and come after me over very little in truth. I suggest you calm down and call it a night.
Your a posts are all in this thread! As i said hiding them doesnt stop people reading them or the thread. Anyone who has read the thread knows you went through 3 phases.

1 Joshua is the greatest
2 Joshua is the greatest Fury is shite
3 Wilder is shite Joshua is still the greatest.

It is clear now that

1 Fury is the champion. You were wrong.

Quote Metalartin (1/100) - "He's already showing he is something special, there's some people who are going to have to just accept they were wrong about him being all hype looks like he is going to be the real deal" Fury or Joshua?
 
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1 Joshua is the greatest
2 Joshua is the greatest Fury is shite
He wont fucking leave it and the above is fucking bollocks... "My post history is there for all to see." ;)

Wilder is shite though IMO, I have said that. He was never was anywhere near world class. Again, I've reasoned why with facts rather than empty statements.

Last post anyway, I couldn't let those lies slide. If that's what he takes from the posts he's quoted, which say nothing of the sort(none of my others have either), how is that anything other than leaping to the defence of Fury in a cult like fashion? Like I said, he's just exposing his own fanboy-ism more with every post.
 
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He wont fucking leave it and the above is fucking bollocks... "My post history is there for all to see."

Wilder is shite though IMO, never was anywhere near world class. Again, I've reasoned why with facts rather than empty statements.
Struggling to quote the right person - i thought it was me who should 'go sober up'?

Quote Metalartin (1/100) - "He's already showing he is something special, there's some people who are going to have to just accept they were wrong about him being all hype looks like he is going to be the real deal" Fury or Joshua?

Hype eh?

Do you want any more i've got loads.

Hiding your posts in your profile doesn't actually hide them. You could call that feature a bit of hype....
 
He wont fucking leave it and the above is fucking bollocks... "My post history is there for all to see."

Wilder is shite though IMO, never was anywhere near world class. Again, I've reasoned why with facts rather than empty statements.

Last post anyway could let that lie slide.
I must admit I think Wilder should get more credit than what ge deserves, He doesn't dictate fights but he has a weapon in his locker like no other heavyweight. Both Ortiz fights he was down on the cards and completely turned both fights on their heads with his one punch power. He put Fury down numerous times but one thing we've all learned from Wilder v Fury fights is Wilder has some set of bollocks his chin is incredible numerous times throughout those fights you think he's completely done for yet he's still capable of finishing you with a punch. Those two strengths combined makes for a seriously good heavyweight.
 
He wont fucking leave it and the above is fucking bollocks... "My post history is there for all to see." ;)

Wilder is shite though IMO, I have said that. He was never was anywhere near world class. Again, I've reasoned why with facts rather than empty statements.

Last post anyway, I couldn't let those lies slide. If that's what he takes from the posts he's quoted, which say nothing of the sort(none of my others have either), how is that anything other than leaping to the defence of Fury in a cult like fashion? Like I said, he's just exposing his own fanboy-ism more with every post.

That just makes anything else you say look silly tbh mate.
 

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