AJ was the only one trying to make that fight happen, Lou Di Bella and even Deontay himself pretty much let the cat out of the bag with that. Wilder wouldn't have the chance to land on AJ IMO, he'd be knocked out first, he's limited with abysmal ring IQ. He wouldn't even fight Whyte, told him he will "freeze him out for 3 years".
I disagree with anyone saying AJ is shit or a hype job he earned his stripes, as is my right. I have always backed it up with facts too, where others almost always immediately resort straight to insults. Same goes for why Wilder is everything these people tried to say AJ was(a carefully managed hypjob) I posted a resume audit done by some American hardcore boxing fans which demonstrated it nicely, I've gone through some of the facts myself but nobody is interested in facts on here it seems.
I've never said people are wrong for rating Fury either, so that's more bullshit. I can disagree with how highly they rate him, if you're saying there's anything wrong with that then it's you with the attitude problem. I've never said Fury wasn't good either so I don't know why you're so defensive about it. Nothing I said in the posts you quoted was "wrong", they were either facts or opinions. You seem to just want a pro Fury-Aj is shit echo chamber and get pissy with everyone who dares to disagree.
That's the whole point about hypocrisy, quick to call others fanboys but everything you're doing demonstrates you're guilty of worse. All Paul1970 did was suggest Usyk beats Fury and people went off on one.
I suggest you go sober up anyway. I'm done here for the night.
Your entitled to your opinion. I don't agree with you but that doesn't mean you are wrong. Personally I've never rated Joshua I think he's over hyped, He was taken out of his comfort zone twice in his career (outside the UK) first time he got put on his ass four times, Second time he stayed behind his jab well but was far from convincing. He git rocked numerous times in his career by Whyte, Klitschko ect and then got completely dismantled by Usyk.
I think when he fights Usky again he'll be knocked out.
I disagree with anyone saying AJ is shit or a hype job he earned his stripes, as is my right. I have always backed it up with facts too, where others almost always immediately resort straight to insults. Same goes for why Wilder is everything these people tried to say AJ was(a carefully managed hypjob) I posted a resume audit done by some American hardcore boxing fans which demonstrated it nicely, I've gone through some of the facts myself but nobody is interested in facts on here it seems.
I've never said people are wrong for rating Fury either, so that's more bullshit. I can disagree with how highly they rate him, if you're saying there's anything wrong with that then it's you with the attitude problem. I've never said Fury wasn't good either(I do rate him) so I don't know why you're so defensive about it. Nothing I said in the posts you quoted was "wrong", they were either facts or opinions. You seem to just want a pro Fury-Aj is shit echo chamber and get pissy with everyone who dares to disagree.
That's the whole point about hypocrisy, quick to call others fanboys but everything you're doing demonstrates you're guilty of worse. All Paul1970 did was suggest Usyk beats Fury and people went off on one. That's all that comment was about and you went all weird digging up old posts that didn't even prove your point.
I suggest you go sober up anyway. I'm done here for the night.
What was I wrong about? I don't think Fury is the second coming because he isn't. Deal with it and stop quoting random posts without making much sense what your problem is.
I disagree with anyone saying AJ is shit or a hype job he earned his stripes. I have always backed it up with facts where others resort straight to insults. Same goes for why Wilder is everything these people tried to say AJ was(a carefully managed hypjob) I posted a resume audit done by some American hardcore boxing fans which demonstrated it nicely, I've gone through some of the facts myself but nobody is interested in facts on here it seems.
I've never said people are wrong for rating Fury either so that's more bullshit. I've never said Fury wasn't good either so I don't know why you're so defensive about it. That's the whole point about hypocrisy, quick to call others fanboys but everything you're doing demonstrates you're guilty of worse. You seem to just want a pro Fury-Aj is shit echo chamber and get pissy with everyone who dares to disagree.
Your posts are all there to see. You are a Joshua fanboy who has tried for years to pretend you are a neutral boxing fan - there is nothing wrong with being a fan of a particular boxer. I watched / attended every Ricky Hatton fight from Kingsway to Vegas - Your not, you are a Joshua fanboy. A boxing fan would over the last 3 year said, wow unreal Tyson Fury, amazing well done. Your story is telling us why Joshua as lost and why Tyson only won due to Wilder not being any good and how 5 year mandatory Whyte wasnt any good either. If Tyson fight a Marciano / Ali reincarnate at the top of his game you would tell us Tyson won due to a lack of warm up fight.
Its crazy because you know your boxing, your posts on non fanboy boxing shows that.
Your entitled to your opinion. I don't agree with you but that doesn't mean you are wrong. Personally I've never rated Joshua I think he's over hyped, He was taken out of his comfort zone twice in his career (outside the UK) first time he got put on his ass four times, Second time he stayed behind his jab well but was far from convincing. He git rocked numerous times in his career by Whyte, Klitschko ect and then got completely dismantled by Usyk.
I think when he fights Usky again he'll be knocked out.
I respect that. I don't think AJ is the second coming either FWIW, I just think people are way to harsh and get their facts wrong a lot(I blame twitter for that).
I hold my hands up and say I have been agro on here at times which is why I try and avoid this thread but if people were honest and look at the the way they approach the conversations, it's no wonder things get heated.
As I said your posts are all in this thread hiding them Doesn't actually hide them.
Defensive? Mirror, Mirror on the Wall.
Your posts are all there to see. You are a Joshua fanboy who has tried for years to pretend you are a neutral boxing fan - there is nothing wrong with being a fan of a particular boxer. I watched / attended every Ricky Hatton fight from Kingsway to Vegas - Your not, you are a Joshua fanboy. A boxing fan would over the last 3 year said, wow unreal Tyson Fury, amazing well done. Your story is telling us why Joshua as lost and why Tyson only won due to Wilder not being any good and how 5 year mandatory Whyte wasnt any good either. If Tyson fight a Marciano / Ali reincarnate at the top of his game you would tell us Tyson won due to a lack of warm up fight.
Its crazy because you know your boxing, your posts on non fanboy boxing shows that.
I'm a fanboy because I don't think AJ is shit... Ok great logic. It seems your boxing knowledge revolves around one HW, not mine. I'm far more neutral than you by the looks of it(I give Fury plenty of credit you give AJ none). I like quite a few HWs and watch multiple weight classes, have done for many years. You're a Fury fanboy it's quite obvious you are by how invested you are in this.
Wilder was always overrated, I stand by that.
Sure everyone starts off slow, especially those with a late start to boxing. The full series should demonstrate just how bad the level of opponent was for a big portion of Wilder's career though(6years around 2/3s of his resume, compare that with AJ who had a late start to boxing too).
I think he gets too much credit for his chin too, he's been rocked by Molina, Breazeale(two fighters who never fazed AJ at all), he was out on his feet against Ortiz and saved by a dodgy doctor check to buy him recovery time. Wilder was signed with Goldenboy for his first 33 fights, where they matched him ridiculously easy. Robert Diaz was his match maker and he has gone on record to explain why that was. He very nearly lost his 0 against what was supposed to be a tomato can for him called Sconiers in his 13th fight(the count was long according to some but there's no footage because goldenboy scrubbed it). He literally said they avoided big punchers and matched him carefully much longer than they would have done from then on or something to that effect. I can give you a link if you want to hear it by all means. If that was AJ you'd be slating him to high heaven if any of the above applied to him. The people who have rocked AJ or put him down are all bigger punchers than any of the above. Whyte, Wlad, Povetkin, Ruiz, even Usyk's power is deceptive too with lazer accuracy.
Same goes for the "AJ ducked Wilder" nonsense. Anyone who does know their facts, knows Wilder ducked AJ 2-3 times and Wilder's 50m offer(the only claim he had) was debunked as bogus by none other than Frank Warren himself(he confirmed it would have had to be on BT sports and they knew AJ would be in breach of contract with Sky by accepting it). Even the premise they made the offer in was fishy: "Agree over social media or we walk. You have 24 hours and no you can't see the contract or proof of funds". If you don't think that looks exactly like the clout chasing that a lot of PBC fighters do over social media(selling wolf tickets as they say), then I don't think you are looking at it objectively.
You may not agree with my opinions but you can't argue with the facts(publicly available information). You've offered very little of those. The hypocrisy here is that you're doing exactly what you think I've done over comments suggesting they don't rate AJ, except for Fury when I haven't even said I don't rate him.
I said before the fight(on paper) Whyte will go down as one of his best wins and I stand by that, I even predicted a Fury win before the fight. It's a better win than Wilder for me because Whyte is more proven. However, it wasn't a great fight and I think it's fair to say Whyte underperformed. He was breathing heavy from round 2 onwards and didn't look in great shape. I know for a fact I'm not alone in any of that. Even some Fury fans are saying it. There's no fanboyism in that whatsoever, if you think there is, it says more about you.
Also, how is this not an example of something you said I would never find you doing? "I don't care about any boxers you wont see me leaping to anyone's defence" Lots of hypocrisy indeed!
"A boxing fan would over the last 3 year said, wow unreal Tyson Fury, amazing well done."
Hahaha! And again... Totally neutral, not leaping to Fury's defence, even when nobody is even bashing him or calling him "shite". So I'm a fanboy/hater because I didn't think amazing he beat Wilder 3 times? I give him plenty of credit the first two times(the second fight especially) for different reasons but I still think Wilder was overrated and I've backed up why I think that is(not to mention his best win is Ortiz, who's best win is now Charles Martin...). I don't particularly like Fury as a person or his cult like toxic fanbase but I've always rated him as a fighter.
Yes my posts are there for all to see, that's why I made them and I left them there. Thanks for pointing that out. So is your hypocrisy, there for all to see. You're the one seemingly going berserk at anyone suggesting Fury isn't the second coming of Ali("You're a fanboy if you don't say amazing, well done sir, credit to society and fuck AJ innit"). Also suggesting anyone saying AJ isn't shite or a hype job must be a fanboy(such extremes, some of what you're saying is really quite ridiculous).
In what world is suggesting AJ is "shite" fine but even politely disagreeing Fury beating the same overrated(he was certainly never the best HW at any point of his career, even while Fury was retired) fighter 3 times puts him up there with Ali is "out of order" and worthy of petty insults and "fangirl" remarks? I think you'll find that makes you the fanboy, if you believe that and the only one "posing as a neutral" is most certainly you by the looks of it. It's okay if you're a Fury fanboy but at least own it. ;)
I should also point out that some in past on this thread didn't seem to realise "the better resume" and "the better boxer" are two different arguments. The resume argument is subject to change(Fury's is looking much better after tonight) the accepted reasoning here is opponents with higher rankings and or more acheivements at the time they fought them are worth more. How good they are as boxers themselves is also subject to change to a lesser degree(they've both improved different sides of their game).
Right, we are done here anyway, this is going nowhere. I don't particularly care what you think at this point. You think I'm a fanboy, I think you're a fanboy, it doesn't really matter.
Edited: Just to show how off the mark his remarks are.
I disagree with anyone saying AJ is shit or a hype job he earned his stripes, as is my right. I have always backed it up with facts too, where others almost always immediately resort straight to insults. Same goes for why Wilder is everything these people tried to say AJ was(a carefully managed hypjob) I posted a resume audit done by some American hardcore boxing fans which demonstrated it nicely, I've gone through some of the facts myself but nobody is interested in facts on here it seems.
I've never said people are wrong for rating Fury either, so that's more bullshit. I can disagree with how highly they rate him, if you're saying there's anything wrong with that then it's you with the attitude problem. I've never said Fury wasn't good either(I do rate him) so I don't know why you're so defensive about it. Nothing I said in the posts you quoted was "wrong", they were either facts or opinions. You seem to just want a pro Fury-Aj is shit echo chamber and get pissy with everyone who dares to disagree.
That's the whole point about hypocrisy, quick to call others fanboys but everything you're doing demonstrates you're guilty of worse. All Paul1970 did was suggest Usyk beats Fury and people went off on one. That's all that comment was about and you went all weird digging up old posts that didn't even prove your point.
I suggest you go sober up anyway. I'm done here for the night.
I couldnt care less about any boxer, nowhere will you find me continually, for years, post after post whether its joshua fighting or Fury Fighting telling people they are wrong - thats you. Ironically or not it was you who was wrong. Humility goes a long way.
I respect that. I don't think AJ is the second coming either FWIW, I just think people are way to harsh and get their facts wrong a lot(I blame twitter for that).
I hold my hands up and say I have been agro on here at times which is why I try and avoid this thread but if people were honest the way they approach the conversations, it's no wonder things get heated.
Let's be honest it's not only social media to blame for the carry on of Joshua, Joshua does himself no favours in that department either plus he was always Sky Sports golden boy and they will do what they always do build you up ro let you down.
I genuinely don't know what the discussion was with you and other posters as I haven't read through all the posts tonight. But in my opinion Joshua shouldn't be classed anywhere near Fury it's not a debate and if anything Joshua is going further down the pecking order. We should all be happy we are watching one of the best heavyweights ever in Tyson Fury, He can talk the talk and walk the walk.
I'm a fanboy because I don't think AJ is shit... Ok great logic.
Right we are done here anyway, enough I don't care what you think. It seems your boxing knowledge revolves around one HW, not mine. I like quite a few HWs.
You are a fanboy because for years and years ..... and years you have told us how good Joshua is, When everyone knew he gassed. Knew he couldnt take a punch, and knew he was cherry picking fighters who he could and should beat.
Here is a little test - Can you reply with a one word answer? Who is the best Joshua or Fury? One word.
I couldnt care less about any boxer, nowhere will you find me continually, for years, post after post whether its joshua fighting or Fury Fighting telling people they are wrong - thats you. Ironically or not it was you who was wrong. Humility goes a long way.
You've just literally spent half an hour telling me my opinions are wrong. lol
You're also quite literally jumping to Fury's defence with post after post, over opinions you don't like(I don't even need to go back to find examples). Not to mention using fanboy language like "AJ is bum" "Fury is the true champ"... But you couldn't care less about any boxer... hahaha pull the other one, clear as day an absolutely massive Fury fanboy.
Not to mention you quoted posts that don't actually demonstrate me telling people "they are wrong" in their opinions. Telling people you disagree and why is not it, just FYI.
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