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I think it's probably a case of some of us comparing him with fighters of the past. In the 90s for example he's just a plodding heavyweight, I could see Bruno beating him tbh with you. From a boxing standpoint he's more brawn than brain and has a long way to go. He imo isn't the second coming of a Tyson or Lewis as Sky would have you believed he's a massive bloke with a big punch on him technically he's not all that. Good fight though I really enjoyed it and he deserved his win for touching it out
He is what he is there's no need to compare him to anyone in my book other than what's out there right now(he's far more exciting to watch than Wilder and Fury), the comparisons to Bruno are just as ridiculous, all the talk about too much muscle and being stiff almost sounds like they've never even watched him. He could be more mobile uptop but so could a lot of heavyweights and he can work on that part of his game if he wants.
 
My take on Joshua ( probably going to get shot down for this ) is he's a big slugger how hits incredibly hard. Last night showed he has guts and resilience but I don't think he fought a smart fight. And it's an alarming to be absolutely shagged after throwing punches for 1 minute and needing several rounds to recover.

Klitchko fought well for his age but it was the right time for match room to make this fight and it nearly back fired. Can't see many heavyweights beating him maybe fury, if fury gets back to his best he could run rings round him. Joshua is the best there is at the moment but I think it shows how bad the heavyweight scene is that there are few to take advantage of his weakenesses.

Boxing knowledge not your strength, fair enough.
 
He is what he is there's no need to compare him to anyone in my book other than what's out there right now(he's far more exciting to watch than Wilder and Fury), the comparisons to Bruno are just as ridiculous, all the talk about too much muscle and being stiff almost sounds like they've never even watched him. He could be more mobile uptop but so could a lot of heavyweights and he can work on that part of his game if he wants.

I've not seen anywhere near all of his fights but whenever I have watched him he's always struck me as having very fast hands, combinations etc, ok he met more of a match in Wlad but he came through it and showed he can go the distance if required. The middle few rounds turned into a slugfest but that gave Joshua the opportunity to recover, I really thought he was finished a couple of times but he proved he has the stamina.
 
Debating not yours, fair enough.

It was a brilliant performance. Surviving that right hand from Klitchko, the recovery over the next 2 rounds, The finish in the 11th round absolute brilliance. 19 fights 19 ko,s.
I bow to your debating skills however. Down for the count definitely.
 
It was a brilliant performance. Surviving that right hand from Klitchko, the recovery over the next 2 rounds, The finish in the 11th round absolute brilliance. 19 fights 19 ko,s.
I bow to your debating skills however. Down for the count definitely.

That's better well done. What I was eluding to earlier ( I'm not debating AJ is the best heavyweight around at the moment btw ) was going balls to the wall for half a round and being so exhausted you need 4 pounds to recover isn't a smart game plan, I don't know what it was to be honest. He did well to hang in there and get the win credit where it's due, but I see holes in his game that's all. I'm sure if you watch the fight again with the sky pundits muted you'll agree. Great fight though as I said I really enjoyed it.
 
That's better well done. What I was eluding to earlier ( I'm not debating AJ is the best heavyweight around at the moment btw ) was going balls to the wall for half a round and being so exhausted you need 4 pounds to recover isn't a smart game plan, I don't know what it was to be honest. He did well to hang in there and get the win credit where it's due, but I see holes in his game that's all. I'm sure if you watch the fight again with the sky pundits muted you'll agree. Great fight though as I said I really enjoyed it.

Fuck the SKy pundits. They all said if it went more than four rounds Klitchko would win.I have watched it all again. Best for years. £20 quid well spent.
No offence meant. Just loved his comeback and how he talked to Klitchko throughout 7 and 8. Class performance.
 
Fantastic night, respect to both fighters. Josh looked gassed early on and people have questioned his jaw on social media, but to get back up and win is the sign of a champion. Klitscho came close and again showed balls. Don't see Wilder causing AJ any problems, sure that's on the horizon soon. I think a fit Fury will be a bigger test, like him or not it would be interesting to see how Josh would adapt to his style.
 
He is what he is there's no need to compare him to anyone in my book other than what's out there right now(he's far more exciting to watch than Wilder and Fury), the comparisons to Bruno are just as ridiculous, all the talk about too much muscle and being stiff almost sounds like they've never even watched him. He could be more mobile uptop but so could a lot of heavyweights and he can work on that part of his game if he wants.

You echo what I've been saying. Joshua being hurt led him to actually getting back to the skill of not being hit. Some called it 'survival', which makes it sound like he was clinging on for dear life! He could have tied up VK for the whole of those two rounds, but chose to slip and move more than I expected!

That tells me he'd rather fight than box, but he clearly has the skill for the latter if he wants to.
 
Just rewatched the fight and I had Joshua up by one going into the 11th. There was very little in the first two rounds but I thought AJ did enough to win them both before winning the third comfortably and drawing the fourth. So basically he was up by 5 going into the 6th. He lost 7 and 8 and then drew 9 and 10 but you could see he was getting back on top and started to catch Wlad with combinations and a few hard body shots that went unnoticed. You could have made a case for AJ winning 9 and 10 which was probably why one judge had him up by three whilst you could easily have had the first two rounds a draw and Wlad winning the fourth hence why one judge had him winning. Very tight fight and scoring was very much in the eye of the beholder.
 
I think you give AJ no credit for bobbing and weaving enough to get his facilities back in order. By the end of the second round of doing that, you could visibly see the confidence surge back in him.

Give him some credit for not being a sitting duck at his most vulnerable point!

This is why boxing is as much about conditioning as it is intelligence.... as a counter to Armann, he obviously did indeed impress by overcoming what was in front of him, however, it's naive to think that a younger more experienced fighter would of let him gain his composure. Taking nothing away from Wlad but he wasn't able to sustain what was needed, he had him in that 6th!!!
 
This is why boxing is as much about conditioning as it is intelligence.... as a counter to Armann, he obviously did indeed impress by overcoming what was in front of him, however, it's naive to think that a younger more experienced fighter would of let him gain his composure. Taking nothing away from Wlad but he wasn't able to sustain what was needed, he had him in that 6th!!!
As a counter to that Joshua had already had Wlad down in the 5th and probably would have finished it against a younger less techinically gifted(which all of them are right now) opponent... this younger fighter as good as Wlad doesn't exist and he probably wouldn't be put in with him at this stage of his career if there were anyone like that around. The fact is he's still learning and improving this was his first step up to the elite and he passed the test. I don't know if you noticed Josua slip a hook beautifully and find himself some room soon after going down but that told Wlad to be cautious he was gassed but still dangerous, he was right to be cautious he's very experienced.
 
As a counter to that Joshua had already had Wlad down in the 5th and probably would have finished it against a younger less techinically gifted(which all of them are right now) opponent... this younger fighter as good as Wlad doesn't exist and he probably wouldn't be put in with him at this stage of his career if there were anyone like that around. The fact is he's still learning and improving this was his first step up to the elite and he passed the test. I don't know if you noticed Josua slip a hook beautifully and find himself some room soon after going down but that told Wlad to be cautious he was gassed but still dangerous, he was right to be cautious he's very experienced.

Did you see the bit where I said 'intelligence and conditioning'??

His size is a real problem further down the line, he needs to ease up as it undoubtedly gassed him in the round you think he should of finished it in (the 5th). The reality is this isn't a great heavyweight division, however, you can only beat what is in front of you but let's not get too carried away, he's got a lot to work on and this will obviously do him no harm. He's a credit to the sport and elevating it back in to the public hearts where it belongs...

Put it this way, fury will be tougher than wlad should he get back to full tip top shape, hopefully AJ can go up another level, which he'll need!!!
 
This is why boxing is as much about conditioning as it is intelligence.... as a counter to Armann, he obviously did indeed impress by overcoming what was in front of him, however, it's naive to think that a younger more experienced fighter would of let him gain his composure. Taking nothing away from Wlad but he wasn't able to sustain what was needed, he had him in that 6th!!!

But, it's not naive to think a younger fighter would have rushed in earlier, swinging away and hoping to catch a shot on him.

There's plusses and negatives to 'experience'.

Did you see the bit where I said 'intelligence and conditioning'??

His size is a real problem further down the line, he needs to ease up as it undoubtedly gassed him in the round you think he should of finished it in (the 5th). The reality is this isn't a great heavyweight division, however, you can only beat what is in front of you but let's not get too carried away, he's got a lot to work on and this will obviously do him no harm. He's a credit to the sport and elevating it back in to the public hearts where it belongs...

Put it this way, fury will be tougher than wlad should he get back to full tip top shape, hopefully AJ can go up another level, which he'll need!!!

Not sure size should always be attributed to fatigue. Most of that is mind over matter and not letting adrenaline overtake you.

Admittedly, that’s hard to do in pressure situations and, literally, fighting for your life.

But, ironically, he did just that by powering through in the later rounds.

Highly impressive for someone who's never been to that well before.

He's, clearly, got more in the tank than he believed.

Pacing and ring craft would set him levels above what's out there at the moment.
 
Did you see the bit where I said 'intelligence and conditioning'??

His size is a real problem further down the line, he needs to ease up as it undoubtedly gassed him in the round you think he should of finished it in (the 5th). The reality is this isn't a great heavyweight division, however, you can only beat what is in front of you but let's not get too carried away, he's got a lot to work on and this will obviously do him no harm. He's a credit to the sport and elevating it back in to the public hearts where it belongs...

Put it this way, fury will be tougher than wlad should he get back to full tip top shape, hopefully AJ can go up another level, which he'll need!!
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I agree AJ has things to work on but Fury is far from a complete fighter either, it will be a different fight and if Joshua wins it will be more excuses that Fury of 2015 would have won... Let's get it straight though Wlad of 2015 was not as good as he was on Saturday mentally and physically he was hungrier and fresher(rolled back the years with lots to prove and he did answer a lot of his critics to be fair to him, not the clinchfest some had predicted). Fury has skill but he's not a technically clean boxer at times he's quite scrappy(his footwork especially), he's clever and awkward, he's mobile for his massive size and has fast hands but he's got a more suspect chin and less punching power... he'd be going for a points win but I think if that was Fury who got caught in the 5th round Joshua finishes the show right there(Fury doesn't do what Wlad did in the 6th). It will be interesting when it happens, Fury's not got a rock solid defence if he stands and trades I can see him getting caught big time(his best bet would be not to stand and trade, I think that's the gameplan they'd go with too). I just hope there will be no excuses after it whoever wins(I'd much prefer Joshua to win but I would give Fury his dues as I always do if he won) I think if Joshua goes away and works on the chinks in his armour highlighted he'll get the job done whichever version of Fury shows up, it would still be a big test for both fighters though lets be fair either fighter would need to take this as a very serious challenge arguably the greatest test either of them have faced.
 
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1) is Eddie Hearns doing

2) is right in a way, but may have been done in by a younger heavyweight in the same position.

Much to learn.

I don't think it's all Hearn's fault although I agree he has been a huge factor. The British public always tend to overhype their team or leading athlete. He's a top guy and someone we can all get behind and be proud of but I think when we do that we tend to build them up as better than they are.

I agree with your 2nd point too. He'd punched himself out and was lucky Wlad didn't have enough in the tank to go after him again.
 
Josh v Fury is the fight i want to see as long as Fury sorts his shit out. He's been out training in Spain but looks a mile off, obviously. AJ came in at his heaviest weight on saturday, prob close to 18.5 come fight night. TF would come in bigger and try and bully Josh, it's difficult to read Furys game plan sometimes. He bossed del boy fighting southpaw for 12 rnds, no real conviction but won the rnds. Against Klitscho he came out the blocks and tried to ruff him up early. Both fighters would fancy their chances by ko, both have been decked but got up to win, that said Steve Cunningham & WK are miles apart in levels but mentally bodes well. Personally i think AJ would win on points but i wouldn't underestimate Fury, like any heavy hes got a bangers chance.
 

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