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Shit fight Joshua Vs Ruiz Jr 2: was 100% expecting Joshua to box the way he did but like most I've spoken to was extremely underwhelmed by Ruiz... if he came in at that weight in the first fight he'd have had no chance, his handspeed was decent still but with the extra weight and slower footwork it may as well have been Eric 'Butterbean' Esch Joshua was in the ring with except Ruiz doesn't pack his one punch KO.

I was extremely impressed with Ruiz Jr. in the first fight and in other fights I've seen him in... and thought with preparation he'd be even better but he was as much a disgraceful defending champ as I've seen, the way he came in so much heavier for the rematch what the hell was he expecting to happen... in my opinion he was unprofessional and doesn't deserve a rematch he should have to knuckle down for a year or 2 and face other contenders before he gets another crack at a title.
 
davek1808 said:
I think the biggest question that has to be asked is not Joshua's tactics but the disgraceful conditioning of Ruiz Jr, the man basically didn't look like he'd trained for the fight.
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Andy Ruiz jnr never in his wildest dreams thought he would be heavyweight champion in the first place so and rightly so he has milked it and changed his life I mean isn’t that the reason they fight anyway. I doubt he was bothered whether he won or lost tbh because he is secure for life . He will now go back to selling stadiums out with non boxing fans fighting bums because that is the new boxing way. Let’s look at his options now
1.third fight with Ruiz jnr makes sense as every fighter needs a trilogy and he is only 1-1 at the moment . Good pay check for Ruiz jnr aswell.
2.usyk. He will want to stay clear of usyk because the movement of him will baffle Joshua.
3 Tyson fury . If Tyson is on song it would be an easy nights work for him.
4. Wilder . Joshua will avoid wilder now as he would have to go to war with him and that won’t end well .
5.whyte. Another dangerous fight for Joshua because of the bad blood which whyte would use to lure Joshua into a war.
6.ortiz , pulev , povetkin , hughie fury . Probable opponents as they are names and easy wins.
7.dubios and hunter and hrgovic . Good young fighters who would all beat Joshua .
Not much out there for Joshua tbh so Eddie will really have to do a good job for him now .
 
davek1808 said:
I think the biggest question that has to be asked is not Joshua's tactics but the disgraceful conditioning of Ruiz Jr, the man basically didn't look like he'd trained for the fight.
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Maybe he’s the only top heavyweight who doesn’t juice hence his dad bod.
 
davek1808 said:
Yeah but to come in 16 lbs heavier than the 1st fight is a disgrace.
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Disgrace is a bit strong. He went 12 rounds with an elite heavyweight. That suggests his conditioning wasn’t disgraceful. Boxing history is awash with such situations. Was Duran a disgrace for the condition he was in for the Leonard rematch ? Jacking after a few rounds might be viewed as disgraceful and he’s a hall of famer. It’s all relative.
 
Thomas Hearns said:
Dear me. So if Joshua isn’t elite then who is ?
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None of them fella . I can’t think of one really great heavyweight compared to what’s gone before . This is the worst crop of heavyweights in many a year and it’s only competitive because no one stands out . I do like usyk but can’t comment to much until I’ve seen more from him as an heavyweight. Wilder is very exiting and can turn your lights off at any time but has very little skill level .tyson fury is great for boxing but I don’t think we may see him fight again as the wilder fight is still not signed I don’t think . Joshua is a good world champion at best.
 
Paul1970 said:
None of them fella . I can’t think of one really great heavyweight compared to what’s gone before . This is the worst crop of heavyweights in many a year and it’s only competitive because no one stands out . I do like usyk but can’t comment to much until I’ve seen more from him as an heavyweight. Wilder is very exiting and can turn your lights off at any time but has very little skill level .tyson fury is great for boxing but I don’t think we may see him fight again as the wilder fight is still not signed I don’t think . Joshua is a good world champion at best.
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AJ is elite now and that’s all that counts. Disagree about this crop - I think it’s the best for a quarter of a century. I love Usyk’s skill set but I have reservations about him (he had to work very hard to get rid of a very limited Bellew) and don’t think he punches hard enough to stop the super heavys just walking through him. Wilder gets bad press but he’s improved massively and shows decent skill - walking a Cuban craftsman onto that right hand doesn’t happen by accident. Tyson will fight wilder and AJ within the next 18months. We’re in the middle of the best era ever for heavyweight boxing from a British standpoint - enjoy the ride man !
 
Paul1970 said:
Andy Ruiz jnr never in his wildest dreams thought he would be heavyweight champion in the first place so and rightly so he has milked it and changed his life I mean isn’t that the reason they fight anyway. I doubt he was bothered whether he won or lost tbh because he is secure for life . He will now go back to selling stadiums out with non boxing fans fighting bums because that is the new boxing way. Let’s look at his options now
1.third fight with Ruiz jnr makes sense as every fighter needs a trilogy and he is only 1-1 at the moment . Good pay check for Ruiz jnr aswell.
2.usyk. He will want to stay clear of usyk because the movement of him will baffle Joshua.
3 Tyson fury . If Tyson is on song it would be an easy nights work for him.
4. Wilder . Joshua will avoid wilder now as he would have to go to war with him and that won’t end well .
5.whyte. Another dangerous fight for Joshua because of the bad blood which whyte would use to lure Joshua into a war.
6.ortiz , pulev , povetkin , hughie fury . Probable opponents as they are names and easy wins.
7.dubios and hunter and hrgovic . Good young fighters who would all beat Joshua .
Not much out there for Joshua tbh so Eddie will really have to do a good job for him now .
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Mate try a different sport. That was the worst take ever.

His next two opponents will be pulev then the Usyk if he can get them both in in time. Fury and Wilder will fight twice next year I reckon.

There is absolutely no way there will be a third fight in the next couple of years, there’s too many big fights ahead and Ruiz is 1- too dangerous and 2- stupid. He fucked it for himself last night. He’s gonna have to rebuild. A fight v Whyte would be big because they’re both gonna be locked out of title shots.
 
Thomas Hearns said:
AJ is elite now and that’s all that counts. Disagree about this crop - I think it’s the best for a quarter of a century. I love Usyk’s skill set but I have reservations about him (he had to work very hard to get rid of a very limited Bellew) and don’t think he punches hard enough to stop the super heavys just walking through him. Wilder gets bad press but he’s improved massively and shows decent skill - walking a Cuban craftsman onto that right hand doesn’t happen by accident. Tyson will fight wilder and AJ within the next 18months. We’re in the middle of the best era ever for heavyweight boxing from a British standpoint - enjoy the ride man !
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Yes sir!

If AJ boxes like last night he could beat Wilder with his footwork.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Mate try a different sport. That was the worst take ever.

His next two opponents will be pulev then the Usyk if he can get them both in in time. Fury and Wilder will fight twice next year I reckon.

There is absolutely no way there will be a third fight in the next couple of years, there’s too many big fights ahead and Ruiz is 1- too dangerous and 2- stupid. He fucked it for himself last night. He’s gonna have to rebuild. A fight v Whyte would be big because they’re both gonna be locked out of title shots.
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Let’s wait and see fella . Funny game is boxing
 
Thomas Hearns said:
AJ is elite now and that’s all that counts. Disagree about this crop - I think it’s the best for a quarter of a century. I love Usyk’s skill set but I have reservations about him (he had to work very hard to get rid of a very limited Bellew) and don’t think he punches hard enough to stop the super heavys just walking through him. Wilder gets bad press but he’s improved massively and shows decent skill - walking a Cuban craftsman onto that right hand doesn’t happen by accident. Tyson will fight wilder and AJ within the next 18months. We’re in the middle of the best era ever for heavyweight boxing from a British standpoint - enjoy the ride man !
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Agree from a British standpoint but there’s not been a truly great heavyweight since Lewis in my eyes
 
yeseye said:
Good win that against a dangerous opponent .
What’s with all the Ali nonsense ?
‘So nice, I had to do it twice’
FFS!
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That was so cringey. “You heard there’ll be a third”...then a big laugh. He said that twice line every time he had a mic in front of him thinking it was hilarious. What a tit
 
jay_mcfc said:
Mate try a different sport. That was the worst take ever.

His next two opponents will be pulev then the Usyk if he can get them both in in time. Fury and Wilder will fight twice next year I reckon.

There is absolutely no way there will be a third fight in the next couple of years, there’s too many big fights ahead and Ruiz is 1- too dangerous and 2- stupid. He fucked it for himself last night. He’s gonna have to rebuild. A fight v Whyte would be big because they’re both gonna be locked out of title shots.
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But Dubois would take AJ (:

Anyone who criticises that performance last night knows jack shit about the sport, which I’m convinced should be renamed Paul shit....
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
But Dubois would take AJ (:

Anyone who criticises that performance last night knows jack shit about the sport, which I’m convinced should be renamed Paul shit....
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Saw this on reddit the last night that sums this up.

r/boxing: AJ's flaws are incurable, he has to fight at range to beat Ruiz he's incapable

AJ: Irons out flaws, fights at distance

r/boxing: How fucking dare you.
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thismustbetheplace said:
He boxed great but will be a lot more challenging using that tactic against someone his own height.
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He doesn't struggle against fighters his own height though, he's much more comfortable with that. That was the whole reason he wasn't comfortable against Povetikin in the first half of the fight and even more so against Ruiz Jr(who has arguably the best chin at heavyweight). Are people forgetting who Joshua has already been in with and stopped? Someone even questioning AJ's punching power? Laughable.

It looked to me as though he had been working on changing levels for shorter fighters but even in this fight he still hasn't quite got the hang of it. He got clipped whenever he was trying to crouch to his level and engage. Personally, I think this was a gameplan he was working on to get a stoppage win but maybe there wasn't enough time to add this to his arsenal to the level required, for a fighter like Ruiz Jr. He ended up sticking with what was working, keeping him at range and controlling the distance, banking the rounds for a points win. He looked surprisingly graceful and fluid in his movement to me, for what so called experts were describing as a robotic body builder.
 
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