The Boxing thread

dannyboy29 said:
Hi Deontay, Hope you're well.

1. No need for a 3rd fight as the second was not even close, similar to why Lewis and Rahman never had a 3rd.
2. He might not have a choice as he is mandatory.
3. What has Tyson done to give you that idea since his 2-year coke binge? He's fought a few doormen and was very lucky that Wilder was poor against him but still managed to be put on his arse twice.
4. Wilder has recently come out saying the fight doesn't interest him, so basically shit out.
5. Can't see any other result than the last fight.
6. either you're on the windup or clueless
7. see above
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So I’m clueless because I don’t agree with you ? What makes you think that your right . you know what I can’t be doing with planks like you that think they are right and everyone’s fucking stupid because they have a diff opinion
 
Skip Donoghue said:
Wilder is a terrible boxer full stop, if he can't get that right hand in he's fucked, he has no jab, he has no footwork, he has no head movement, and he has been rocked when he's been caught and doesn't have great punch resistance
It's no surprise anyone who enjoys boxing for what it's all about, the purists if you like which is hitting but not getting hit, don't rate him
If AJ boxed against Wilder the same way he did against Ruiz, 9 times out of 10 he wins, I would like to see Wilder give Ruiz a shot if the Fury fight can't be made as I think Ruiz has the best chin in the division and when Wilder lands his right it would be interesting to see how he reacts, it won't happen though as Wilder won't want any piece of Ruiz as he can't move well enough to avoid his preasure and would get caught by Ruiz eventually
I'm not an AJ lover but you can't accuse him of avoiding fighters, Wilder on the other hand you can't say the same, he has dodged Whyte for years and has plenty of bums on his record, he only took the Fury fight because he thought he was washed up and anyone holding Ortiz up as a credible opponent you might as well have Shannon Briggs in the mix to
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I think they have all dodged each other tbh . Out of the big 3 only wilder and fury have fought and that is shameful. Look at the past. Ali Frazier foreman all fought each other numerous times even Lewis Tyson Holyfield and maybe bowe went against each other but this lot won’t even entertain each other apart from the above .
 
Paul1970 said:
I think they have all dodged each other tbh . Out of the big 3 only wilder and fury have fought and that is shameful. Look at the past. Ali Frazier foreman all fought each other numerous times even Lewis Tyson Holyfield and maybe bowe went against each other but this lot won’t even entertain each other apart from the above .
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Bowe dodge Lewis he gave up his WBC belt so he didn't have to fight Lewis, but I agree that the others went at it, but boxing politics knowadays is worse than ever, I think the power Eddie Hearn has at the minute is getting up the noses of the Yanks and the WBC, that more than anything is for me the biggest reason Wilder and Joshua won't get it on and a large part of why Whyte has been ducked also
The governing bodies don't like unified champions and its no surprise for me that the IBF and WBO are pushing Joshua to fight their mandatory within the next 6 months, I think Joshua will end up giving one of those belts up due to this and the fact Usyk is mandatory for the WBO will probably suit Matchrooms agenda
With Usyk taking on someone for that title, I wouldn't mind seeing him go up against Whyte or Ruiz for it, those match ups would be interesting
 
Skip Donoghue said:
Bowe dodge Lewis he gave up his WBC belt so he didn't have to fight Lewis, but I agree that the others went at it, but boxing politics knowadays is worse than ever, I think the power Eddie Hearn has at the minute is getting up the noses of the Yanks and the WBC, that more than anything is for me the biggest reason Wilder and Joshua won't get it on and a large part of why Whyte has been ducked also
The governing bodies don't like unified champions and its no surprise for me that the IBF and WBO are pushing Joshua to fight their mandatory within the next 6 months, I think Joshua will end up giving one of those belts up due to this and the fact Usyk is mandatory for the WBO will probably suit Matchrooms agenda
With Usyk taking on someone for that title, I wouldn't mind seeing him go up against Whyte or Ruiz for it, those match ups would be interesting
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I don’t mind Eddie Hearn tbh as he put boxing back on the map again especially in the uk .,I know a lot of people don’t like him though
 
Paul1970 said:
So I’m clueless because I don’t agree with you ? What makes you think that your right . you know what I can’t be doing with planks like you that think they are right and everyone’s fucking stupid because they have a diff opinion
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I never once called you clueless
 
It's been Interesting watching and listening / reading to the opinions of Boxing fans this week. I actually enjoyed the AJ fight I thought he boxed really well, I can't imagine what it is like to get in the ring with someone who battered you in must be a bit terrifying. And he was never going to fight the way he did in the first fight so I thought the tactics were spot on. He did look a bit anxious of gtting hit but who can blame him, I think he's changed as a fighter since the Klitchko fight, I think he got properly hurt in that and doesn't look as aggressive since. If this is the case then he should box like this from now on.

What has made me laugh, is the bile from Fury fans who can't seem to give any praise. Let's be honest, if Fury fought that fight on Saturday night it would be labelled a masterclass, the only difference from that and a Fury performance is the lack of showboating, I don't think Fury wowlud've held that level of concentration for 12 rounds, if he could he wouldn't have got sloppy and caught by Wilder.

I hope we see the top 3 fight just out of interest. In terms of boxing Wilder comes no way near Fury, and Saturday proved no where near Joshua either. The difference with AJ Vs Wilder and Fury vs Wilde is at least AJ carries enough power to stop Wilder, Fury for his size just doesn't have heavyweight power. I also think it makes potential Fury vs AJ more exciting. Could be a chess match, but I think AJ would take more risks with his power shots against Fury, who despite being labelled a genius over the distance does relax, does drop his hands and does get tw@tted for it.

Final point, for me in a few years Daniel Dubois would batter them all. He's got tight boxing and punches like a mule. If he continues developing he'll be in the mix and he has a quiet assassin thing about him. The only question I have about him is can he take a punch, because he's not had to do so yet. If he's got a good chin, he's the future.

Bit of a long post but that's my two cents.....
 
Wow.

Been banging on about Teofimo Lopez for around a year now and he’s blasted out a decent fighter in Richard Commey to become IBF Champ.
Loma is now firmly in his sights and I would not rule out Lopez dethroning him.

 
Deepest Blue said:
Wow.

Been banging on about Teofimo Lopez for around a year now and he’s blasted out a decent fighter in Richard Commey to become IBF Champ.
Loma is now firmly in his sights and I would not rule out Lopez dethroning him.

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After his last fight (I dont think he did as bad as most people made out but still) I thought Id take a risk on Commey at 2/1 how wrong I proved to be! Would love to see him in with Haney
 
Skip Donoghue said:
Wilder is a terrible boxer full stop, if he can't get that right hand in he's fucked, he has no jab, he has no footwork, he has no head movement, and he has been rocked when he's been caught and doesn't have great punch resistance
It's no surprise anyone who enjoys boxing for what it's all about, the purists if you like which is hitting but not getting hit, don't rate him
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Plenty of people I know rate Wilder and I do too.

It’s become rather fashionable to diss Wilder based on some rather crude showings years ago but those people are just spouting cliches largely. He is not a terrible boxer. He has improved immeasurably in the last 2 or 3 years. His jab per se isn’t great (neither is AJ’s ) but his one two is top class and after all one of the main functions of the jab is to gauge distance for the right hand to follow so it’s fair to say his jab is mightily effective. His footwork is good, his head movement I grant you is not so good, he showed he takes a punch well in both Ortiz fights who by the way is an absolute craftsman which makes the way Wilder drew him onto that right hand all the more praiseworthy. All in all he’s a good boxer, credit where it’s due.
 
Thomas Hearns said:
Plenty of people I know rate Wilder and I do too.

It’s become rather fashionable to diss Wilder based on some rather crude showings years ago but those people are just spouting cliches largely. He is not a terrible boxer. He has improved immeasurably in the last 2 or 3 years. His jab per se isn’t great (neither is AJ’s ) but his one two is top class and after all one of the main functions of the jab is to gauge distance for the right hand to follow so it’s fair to say his jab is mightily effective. His footwork is good, his head movement I grant you is not so good, he showed he takes a punch well in both Ortiz fights who by the way is an absolute craftsman which makes the way Wilder drew him onto that right hand all the more praiseworthy. All in all he’s a good boxer, credit where it’s due.
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His footwork is up there with lionel Blair’s , give over, he’s technically bobbins, that’s not discounting his Thor hammer right, however, easy on the eye he isn’t!​
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
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His footwork is up there with lionel Blair’s , give over, he’s technically bobbins, that’s not discounting his Thor hammer right, however, easy on the eye he isn’t!​
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Dont confuse unorthodox with bobbins. Sure he gets his feet crossed occasionally but view it functionally - footwork is there to get you in and out of range quickly and to position yourself for shots - he does both pretty well
 
Thomas Hearns said:
Dont confuse unorthodox with bobbins. Sure he gets his feet crossed occasionally but view it functionally - footwork is there to get you in and out of range quickly and to position yourself for shots - he does both pretty well
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Whilst I think there's a better boxer in there than most do (eg I thought he was better than people say he was against Fury), I'm not convinced he'd really get by on that alone. Not that he has to mind.

I'm on the fence with Wilder in this regard. Ortiz boxed his head off but I'm unsure whether Wilder let him knowing he could just focus on setting up a KO, or whether he just got completely outskilled and was fortunate enough to land the big one. The fact that he's only faced a small number of particularly good boxers means it's hard to accurately rate him in this sense.

I'd love to see him face a more diverse range of opponents after his fight(s) with Fury. Parker and Ruiz, two skilled guys with notably good chins, would make real interesting fights. And if he could get in with Whyte.. He'd win but it'd make a fantastic scrap for 2 rounds.
 
Thomas Hearns said:
Plenty of people I know rate Wilder and I do too.

It’s become rather fashionable to diss Wilder based on some rather crude showings years ago but those people are just spouting cliches largely. He is not a terrible boxer. He has improved immeasurably in the last 2 or 3 years. His jab per se isn’t great (neither is AJ’s ) but his one two is top class and after all one of the main functions of the jab is to gauge distance for the right hand to follow so it’s fair to say his jab is mightily effective. His footwork is good, his head movement I grant you is not so good, he showed he takes a punch well in both Ortiz fights who by the way is an absolute craftsman which makes the way Wilder drew him onto that right hand all the more praiseworthy. All in all he’s a good boxer, credit where it’s due.
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Sorry but I can't agree with most of that to be honest
Wilder is the worst heavywieght champion that I can remember when it actually comes to the finer points of the sport which there aren't many, footwork, head movement and putting shots together he does well with the 1-2 as you say so I'll give him a little credit for that but the rest is poor IMO and that's probably down to the lack of amateur experience and coming into the sport late, so from that point of view he has done well to achieve what he has
But Wilder has only been tested once in all his career and he lost that fight to (even though it was judged a draw we all know) Fury who gave him a lesson for the majority of the fight
And Ortiz might be a decent boxer, but he is an old man (probably close to 50 in reality) and up to Wilder catching him he also gave Wilder a lesson
So sorry I know it's your opinion but I'm not having it Wilder is average at best and when or if he gives Fury his rematch I fully expect Fury to box his head off, even stop him late on, as Fury will dodge that right hand all night long, because he has decent footwork, Head Movement and puts his punches together in a way Wider can only dream of
By the way I'm not an AJ fan either, but if he boxed Wilder in the same way he boxed Ruiz, he would beat him, the only way I can see Wilder beating either Fury or Joshua is by rushing them early and catching them cold
 
Skip Donoghue said:
Sorry but I can't agree with most of that to be honest
Wilder is the worst heavywieght champion that I can remember when it actually comes to the finer points of the sport which there aren't many, footwork, head movement and putting shots together he does well with the 1-2 as you say so I'll give him a little credit for that but the rest is poor IMO and that's probably down to the lack of amateur experience and coming into the sport late, so from that point of view he has done well to achieve what he has
But Wilder has only been tested once in all his career and he lost that fight to (even though it was judged a draw we all know) Fury who gave him a lesson for the majority of the fight
And Ortiz might be a decent boxer, but he is an old man (probably close to 50 in reality) and up to Wilder catching him he also gave Wilder a lesson
So sorry I know it's your opinion but I'm not having it Wilder is average at best and when or if he gives Fury his rematch I fully expect Fury to box his head off, even stop him late on, as Fury will dodge that right hand all night long, because he has decent footwork, Head Movement and puts his punches together in a way Wider can only dream of
By the way I'm not an AJ fan either, but if he boxed Wilder in the same way he boxed Ruiz, he would beat him, the only way I can see Wilder beating either Fury or Joshua is by rushing them early and catching them cold
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A mate tells me Ortiz had a hand in writing the original Queensbury Rules; it's what brought him out of retirement..
 
Thomas Hearns said:
Dont confuse unorthodox with bobbins. Sure he gets his feet crossed occasionally but view it functionally - footwork is there to get you in and out of range quickly and to position yourself for shots - he does both pretty well
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Nothing to confuse, it’s why he was picked off effortlessly by a guy who had ring rust coming out of every orifice in fury...

How you can evaluate his technical ability as anything other than mediocre is beyond me, but opinion all the same..
 
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