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The stoppage was a little bit unfair on Katsidis I thought the first time he was under so much pressure I thought the ref could of let him get to the end of the round. I wouldnt mind seeing this fight again. Sadly I cant see them fighting again, I think he might go looking for Pacman at a catch weight maybe 140 so Pacman may have to drop down while Marquez will move up a weight slightly. I would love to see the fight happen. If Marquez wins it he should then retire. No matter what Marquez should really be thinking about calling it a day after his next fight. A top class fighter but at times last night he was getting dominated you never want to see those fighters going on forever and ever. If he cant get Pacman just retire as there are no other fights out there for him.
 
Very good fight. Not sure what i think of the stoppage. I think had it been the other way round Bayless would have given Marquez until the end of the round. Really anjoyed the fight though.

Link here for anyone who missed it...

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conormcfc said:
leighton said:
That fight reminded me of Calzaghe V Jeff Lacy. Joe put on a masterclass that night and tonight Froch put on his masterclass.
I honestly think Froch would be a superstar if he had a better promotor. His last 5 fights were against top class fighters and he only lost once. He should be a household name like Haye and Khan yet none of the casual boxing fans know of him. By far the best British fighter out there at the moment. He can box he can bang he is what SKY should be showing yet they couldnt be arsed showing his fights and they have missed out on some wars in the last couple of fights. I honestly think after the defeat he had he has come back stronger and I would think he will go on and win the Super 6.
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I agree about Sky, how easily they could've just got the rights to the super 6 tourney. It's a shame for Froch really, no-one over here outside the hardcores has a clue who he is.

I'm not sure about him being best British boxer though, I think I rate Khan a little higher. It's a close one though.
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No chance Khan has faced the level of fighters that Froch has over the last few fights. He hasnt gone in with a banger since he won the title who can take a shot from him. Yes this fight coming up is his hardest fight but he has been taking on easy fights since he won the title.
His last 5 fights Abraham , Kessler , Dirrell , Taylor and Pascal I dont know of any other fighter who has boxed 5 hard fights like that in a row. Apart from Bute he has fought all the top men in his division and has only been beaten the once.

Compare that to Khans last 5 fights he has boxed.
Oisin Fagan not even the best in Ireland at the time.
Barrera hate to say this about the man but he was nowhere near to his prime I wont say he is washed up but was getting there. Khan won because of a nasty cut on Barrera's head any other fight it would of been called off it was that bad.
Kotelnik hardest fight for Khan out of them all but he is hardly a huge puncher.
Salita a nice fight for Khan against another fighter who lacks power at the top level another no brainer for team Khan.
Paulie M. Khan out worked him but everyone knows that Paulie has fuck all power his heart is the only good thing he has but he has taken too much shit over the years.

To even put Khan in the level of Froch is a joke at the moment. Yes he has ability but wait and see how he gets on with the bigger fighters in his weight division before you class him ahead of Froch.
 
conormcfc said:
Leighton I was talking ability wise mate, obviously Froch has the miles better resume. I think Froch would be regarded by most as the #3 super-middleweight until he beats Ward or Bute though.
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I like Bute, but i think Froch's above him in terms of resume. Bute was very lucky to beat Andrade in the first fight. I'm not saying Andrade had enough time to knock him out, but the referee never gave him chance. He did well to stop him in the rematch though.

He's got a few impressive performances over some good fighters but imo they're all a level below the likes of Abraham and Pascal. I think Bute is still a top quality win away from being ranked above Froch. Agree with Ward though. I think Ward outboxes Froch.

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Here's the Berto fight from last night in case anybody missed it. It was a quick one.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MIb0SkGZ98[/youtube]<br /><br />-- Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:41 pm --<br /><br />And here's the Froch - Abraham fight link

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ono said:
I like Bute, but i think Froch's above him in terms of resume. Bute was very lucky to beat Andrade in the first fight. I'm not saying Andrade had enough time to knock him out, but the referee never gave him chance. He did well to stop him in the rematch though.

He's got a few impressive performances over some good fighters but imo they're all a level below the likes of Abraham and Pascal. I think Bute is still a top quality win away from being ranked above Froch. Agree with Ward though. I think Ward outboxes Froch.

-- Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:40 pm --

Here's the Berto fight from last night in case anybody missed it. It was a quick one.

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2 quick questions:

1. Did you see the Ward fight? I scored it 115-113, it was a pretty close fight from what I saw. The judging in Oakland is horrifically biased.

Download link to the fight: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=25JMF667

2. On the Berto vid, does anyone have any idea who the twin brothers stood behind Michael Buffer at the start are? I've seen them stood there at virtually every HBO event in the last few years, who are they?
 
It seems that Froch might end up on Sky for his next defence. It seems that Adam Smith who is head of boxing at Sky. He has been qouted in a number of papers over the last few days as saying. " I will be doing my best to get parties together to get Froch back on Sky. There is no question that he is right up there at the top level , and I will do my very best to see if we can put on his future fights on."

Great news for Froch as he is now in the position to get a very good deal after Sky fucked up and let him go a couple of years ago. Now for the first time in a long time Mick Hennessey has the best hand possible and will more than likely end up getting his promotions back on Sky which can only be a good thing for boxing fans. He has a decent stable of fighters who could end back on Sky but under his promotions. Be it Fury , John Murray , Darren Barker , John O Donnell and even Junior Witter all could be back on Sky if Hennessey doesnt fuck it up. So that means we will see better fight cards from all the promotors if Sky has Matchroom , Maloney , Warren , Hatton and Hennessey thats 5 promotors which will have to sort out dates with Sky meaning in some cases there might only be 1 fight a month in some cases but those cards should be jammed with there top fighters which can only be good for the sport. So hopefully this comes off as it will be great for local British boxing.
 
Some great fights next weekend...

Amir Khan - Marcos Maidana

Victor Ortiz - Lamont Peterson

James De Gale - Paul Smith

Dereck Chisora - Wladimir Klitschko

Vic Darchinyan - Abner Mares

Yonnhy Perez - Joseph Agbeko

Plus...

Nathan Cleverly, Kell Brook, Mathew Macklin, Joan Guzman, Andy Lee and Jeff Lacy are all fighting. Looking forward to it...

Picks?
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
is Maidana good enough to knock Khan out or is this ANOTHER Amir ducking fight?
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He's capable of it, but Khan is also capable of boxing his ears off. This is a very dangerous fight for Khan. Maidana can hit and he will attempt to put Kahn under a lot of pressure.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, considering his age, Khan has fought some very good opposition. Just not many big punchers, so that's why this is exciting. Maidana is probably the hardest hitter at 140.
 
ono said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
is Maidana good enough to knock Khan out or is this ANOTHER Amir ducking fight?
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He's capable of it, but Khan is also capable of boxing his ears off. This is a very dangerous fight for Khan. Maidana can hit and he will attempt to put Kahn under a lot of pressure.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, considering his age, Khan has fought some very good opposition. Just not many big punchers, so that's why this is exciting. Maidana is probably the hardest hitter at 140.
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After Khan's demolition by Prescott I've a) always wanted and thought it should have been a requirement to have a rematch b) that Khan has being a dodger since, and he got lucky with Barrera's cut. Kotelnik and Salita were rubbish, Malignaggi has been round the block so to speak, so I've wanted to see him fight a proper puncher.
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
ono said:
He's capable of it, but Khan is also capable of boxing his ears off. This is a very dangerous fight for Khan. Maidana can hit and he will attempt to put Kahn under a lot of pressure.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, considering his age, Khan has fought some very good opposition. Just not many big punchers, so that's why this is exciting. Maidana is probably the hardest hitter at 140.
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After Khan's demolition by Prescott I've a) always wanted and thought it should have been a requirement to have a rematch b) that Khan has being a dodger since, and he got lucky with Barrera's cut. Kotelnik and Salita were rubbish, Malignaggi has been round the block so to speak, so I've wanted to see him fight a proper puncher.
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That's probably a bit unfair. 9 time sout of 10 Khan beats Prescott. He was careless and paid the price. There would have been a rematch with Prescott but he lost a bit of momentum, and he's now lost 2 of his last 4, both against fairly mediocre fighters. It's a difficult sell really as Khan has moved on a lot since then, and he's now with a much better trainer.

I don't think the 'dodging' element is really Khan's fault. That's just how Frank Warren operates, and you can't really blame him for it. If Hatton had have been in with a puncher at 21, it's unlikely he'd have gone on to make millions for himself and Frank. He protects his investment. In that respect, he's very similar to all other promoters.

Kudos to Khan for leaving Warren to seek the best fights out there anyway. Can't knock him for that.

Like i said earlier, his opposition has been pretty good over the last 2 years. What happened in the Barrera fight was unfortunate given that it ruined the fight. I don't see the outcome being any different anyway. Khan has every imaginable advantage over Barrera at this stage in their careers...barring experience of course.

He gets a lot of stick for the Salita win, but that again is unfair. He was an undefeated Mandatory challenger and basically he had to fight him. He took him out inside 1 round which is still impressive. It's too easy to look back in hindsight and simply say 'Salita is shit' but whilst he'll never be a world class fighter he is still capable.

Kotelnik is a good fighter. He came over to England a few years ago to fight Witter (when Witter was going well). I thought he was unlucky to lose (close decision). He's improved since then and he was excellent against Devon Alexander and was again very unlucky to lose (i thought he beat him personally). Alexander is very highly rated.

He also holds a close win over Marcos Maidana. Khan won every round against Kotelnik, so when you compare that with how the other 'world class' fighters have faired against him, it is pretty impressive.

As for Paulie, he was coming off two of the very best performances of his life (both against Juan Diaz) and was looking a much better fighter than the one who lost to Hatton and Cotto. He'd also dropped Buddy McGirt as his trainer and was obviously a better fighter for it. Again, Khan was probably more impressive than both Hatton and Cotto were.

Like i said, he's 23. There aren't really any other 23 year old fighters in the world with that sort of record. Koki Kameda and Devon Alexander are probably the only ones and they've both had fairly ordinary performances lately.
 
ono said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
After Khan's demolition by Prescott I've a) always wanted and thought it should have been a requirement to have a rematch b) that Khan has being a dodger since, and he got lucky with Barrera's cut. Kotelnik and Salita were rubbish, Malignaggi has been round the block so to speak, so I've wanted to see him fight a proper puncher.
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That's probably a bit unfair. 9 time sout of 10 Khan beats Prescott. He was careless and paid the price. There would have been a rematch with Prescott but he lost a bit of momentum, and he's now lost 2 of his last 4, both against fairly mediocre fighters. It's a difficult sell really as Khan has moved on a lot since then, and he's now with a much better trainer.

I don't think the 'dodging' element is really Khan's fault. That's just how Frank Warren operates, and you can't really blame him for it. If Hatton had have been in with a puncher at 21, it's unlikely he'd have gone on to make millions for himself and Frank. He protects his investment. In that respect, he's very similar to all other promoters.

Kudos to Khan for leaving Warren to seek the best fights out there anyway. Can't knock him for that.

Like i said earlier, his opposition has been pretty good over the last 2 years. What happened in the Barrera fight was unfortunate given that it ruined the fight. I don't see the outcome being any different anyway. Khan has every imaginable advantage over Barrera at this stage in their careers...barring experience of course.

He gets a lot of stick for the Salita win, but that again is unfair. He was an undefeated Mandatory challenger and basically he had to fight him. He took him out inside 1 round which is still impressive. It's too easy to look back in hindsight and simply say 'Salita is shit' but whilst he'll never be a world class fighter he is still capable.

Kotelnik is a good fighter. He came over to England a few years ago to fight Witter (when Witter was going well). I thought he was unlucky to lose (close decision). He's improved since then and he was excellent against Devon Alexander and was again very unlucky to lose (i thought he beat him personally). Alexander is very highly rated.

He also holds a close win over Marcos Maidana. Khan won every round against Kotelnik, so when you compare that with how the other 'world class' fighters have faired against him, it is pretty impressive.

As for Paulie, he was coming off two of the very best performances of his life (both against Juan Diaz) and was looking a much better fighter than the one who lost to Hatton and Cotto. He'd also dropped Buddy McGirt as his trainer and was obviously a better fighter for it. Again, Khan was probably more impressive than both Hatton and Cotto were.

Like i said, he's 23. There aren't really any other 23 year old fighters in the world with that sort of record. Koki Kameda and Devon Alexander are probably the only ones and they've both had fairly ordinary performances lately.
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I think boxing's in decline 2bh, that's why we're talking about Amir Khan, nobody else worth the mention.
 
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