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Just watched the Khan, canelo fight, it went how I thought it would, Khan fast out of the traps using his speed but keeping his distance to win a few rounds, but then the glass jaw comes into play and boom it's goodnight Khan.
 
Well hate to tell I told you so... but I told you so... Canelo is just too damn good, hell of a boxer! Feel bad for Khan but he wasn't going to win even if it went to points(little chance of that anyway IMO) after he worked him out in the opening rounds he was done for.
 
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Khans fights are never boring and he has a massive heart, no fighter moves up two weight divisions and dominates ,unless of course you start two below your natural weight class, one thing I'll say tho khans hand speed is absolutely amazing
 
No way Khan was going to win the KO was a bad 1 too. Him against Brook may never happen he be lucky to fight at the end of the year and will he have the desire to do it again knowing he falls short in the big fights i doubt it.

A mixed night for the Irish Jonno Carroll and Jason Quigley winning on points really impressed with Quigley out in the US looks a really good boxer and getting the best of sparring out there. While in Germany Phil Sutcliffe Jnr got beaten on points by the home fighter and the score cards were close 2 jusdges had it 77-75 while the other had it as a draw 76-76. Sure wouldnt be the first fighter to loose in Germany to a home fighter. He will be a good good pro.
 
Is mgergor the Irish cage fighter going to fight
May weather?

Just been told by someone in the gym. (When I say gym I mean the cafe bit while the kids have a swim).

Unlucky Khan. Hope he is ok.
 
Damocles said:
I know! Turns out that when you have a kid you can't do six months on and six months off in terms of work, so have had to adapt. This is combined with my general malaise towards Bluemoon in general. We've had some set to's in the past me and you, but I'm pretty sure that you know that despite this I've put my user hat to one side and always campaigned for you to come back (even when I banned you personally) because you're a City fan and that's the whole point. Maybe some people no longer have that ability.

Little Christopher Sergio is fine, seven months old now and has blisters on his feet because he won't stop bouncing in his door frame bouncer. He has ridiculously large feet and strong legs and tries to "bounce" about 18 hours a day. He'll never fall over. Not too bright though otherwise, but he wore his first full kit wanker City kit and went to his first game against Madrid so I'm pretty sure his indoctrination is almost there.

Anyway, reckon Khan will have the first few rounds but Canelo will twat him past about the third. Canelo overhand right to finish him in about the sixth.

Hope I'm wrong here, fear that I'm not
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Bloody hell Damocles not a bad prediction. Did you bet on it? Always said you were a fucking know it all! Put in a word for me when fantasy island bans me - won't be long!
 
I've never understood all the hatred for Khan. He has represented his country brilliantly and has built some cultural bridges.

However, on a boxing level he should never have taken this fight, he was on a hiding to nothing, the saying a good big un will beat a good little un springs to mind. Khan didn't look natural for me, he needs to come down to his normal weight, he has a big heart, but a suspect chin, I wish him well for the future.
 
Khan got on the breaks naturally good fighters back then had to wait ages for. His link up with Frank Warren after the Olympics earned him a shit load of money. He started back then to be a cocky fuck. I remember at the time Khan v John Murray should of been made but Khans team felt John Murray former young boxer of the year winner was not good enough to fight Khan. Also at that time it would of been Khans hardest fight on paper. So they never took risky fights in his early years.

His record will look good. He won against a finished Barera then next fight won his first World title against Andriy Kotelnik who would of been the weakest champion at the time. Defending the title well against McCloskey and Zab Judah. Then lost it in controversal style against Lamont Peterson who later got stripped of the title. Then next fight his hardest on paper against with Garcia koing Khan in the 4th round. He never recovered from this loss for me.

Since then in with Devon Alexander who he has beaten all on points apart from Molina all these in his so called natural weight of weltherweight then since his move up to the weight Khan has not KO'd a boxer he has been in with. Khan for me seen how Money done a job on Canelo and he must of thought he could do the same. Only thing is Khan lacks the boxing skills of a Maywheater to pull the job off he is that good of a fighter. The best of his generation with maybe Rigondeaux rivaling him if he was more active. He has maybe 1 more big pay day the fight with Kell but he has made his money I think he should retire it was a nasty nasty ko.
 
billfromthehill said:
Oh fuck here we go another hater he'd fuck you up in 5 seconds I'd bet on that.
How can you say that he has beaten some top fighters .
So to be average and beat midaina I question your boxing knowledge I really do.
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He has quick hands , that's it.

I'm talking about top level here.

The Mexican has used him as cannon fodder.
 
Was really looking fwd to the Quigley fight, looked like a good performance.

Be interesting to see what Khan does next, whether he goes back down to 147 or feels more comfortable at super welterweight. Definitely the bigger fights at 147.
Canelo looked solid, and even though Khan pinched the first 3/4 rnds he soon had his number. Not many would of got up from that, Khan left his chin out and got punished.
Canelo v Golovkin has to happen, to close to call.
 
Adidas Sharston said:
Was really looking fwd to the Quigley fight, looked like a good performance.

Be interesting to see what Khan does next, whether he goes back down to 147 or feels more comfortable at super welterweight. Definitely the bigger fights at 147.
Canelo looked solid, and even though Khan pinched the first 3/4 rnds he soon had his number. Not many would of got up from that, Khan left his chin out and got punished.
Canelo v Golovkin has to happen, to close to call.
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Because Canelo was getting caught regularly by Khan I would favour GGG for the win feel he has the boxing and the power to stop Canelo. Khan has to move back down 147 would be the best for him to fight at. A fight with Timothy Bradley be a good 1 for him to take. Bradley aint going to KO you out and Khan may well cause him all types of problems with his speed. I think a wildcard fight with Sammy Vasquez would be a risky winable fight for Khan also Jessie Vargas looks the weakest at the weight for me as the WBO champion another option for Khan to go down.
 
toffee balls said:
Khan has stole a living.

His promotions team are world class , he is an average boxer.

Hope he is ok.
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13 of his opponents have been world champions - St Clair, Barrera, Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Maidana, Judah, Peterson, Garcia, Diaz, Collazo, Alexander, Algieri and Canelo

To put that into perspective, if you added up the number of former and current world champions faced by Britain's 12 world champions, Khan has faced more on his own.
 
GGG is a class act, both in and out the ring. A win over Canelo will cement his place as a great, if not already. If Canelo can take his body shots and GGG fails to get him out of there, I think the later rnds would belong to Canelo in a slug fest, that's if it lasted 12. At a push, I'd probably go with Canelo on points.
 
Watched the fight again today still impressed and can't really believe the amount of Canelo haters in denial about how the fight went, some were trying to claim Khan was ahead? Come off it I gave him the first 3 rounds the first time around and after watching it again I've changed that to the first 2 only.

I don't know how any GGG fans can look at that fight and say they weren't impressed with what Canelo did in that fight. The only reason Khan banked the first two rounds(he started very well to his credit) was Khan is faster than anyone at that weight by a distance GGG doesn't have that and by the 3rd round Canelo had adjusted and ended up pipping that round and gradually started to stamp his authority more and more wining every round after that until that beauty of a knockout. Also Canelo prefers a fighter that will come at him Khan was on the move making Canelo chase him that's not what GGG will do, he will fight on the front foot which plays into Canelo's hands because he's excellent on the counter(notice the way he set up that knockout punch was very deliberate rather than Khan giving it to him), for me Canelo is easily the better boxer of the two(this fight as an example of his boxing intelligence) GGG has more power but there's much more to boxing than that, it's no good having the power if your opponent doesn't let you land the shots, on the flip side Canelo's power is no joke either, if he lands like he did against Kirkland or Khan anyone's lights are going out when that happens, GGG included.
 
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Metalartin said:
Watched the fight again today still impressed and can't really believe the amount of Canelo haters in denial about how the fight went, some were trying to claim Khan was ahead? Come off it I gave him the first 3 rounds the first time around and after watching it again I've changed that to the first 2 only.

I don't know how any GGG fans can look at that fight and say they weren't impressed with what Canelo did in that fight. The only reason Khan banked the first two rounds(he started very well to his credit) was Khan is faster than anyone at that weight by a distance GGG doesn't have that and by the 3rd round Canelo had adjusted and ended up pipping that round and gradually started to stamp his authority more and more wining every round after that until that beauty of a knockout. Also Canelo prefers a fighter that will come at him Khan was on the move making Canelo chase him that's not what GGG will do, he will fight on the front foot which plays into Canelo's hands because he's excellent on the counter(notice the way he set up that knockout punch was very deliberate rather than Khan giving it to him), for me Canelo is easily the better boxer of the two(this fight as an example of his boxing intelligence) GGG has more power but there's much more to boxing than that, it's no good having the power if your opponent doesn't let you land the shots, on the flip side Canelo's power is no joke either, if he lands like he did against Kirkland or Khan anyone's lights are going out when that happens, GGG included.
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I don't know it's still difficult to judge Golovkin. His best win is over Lemieux who is at best exciting. His resume is packed with B- level fighters and until he goes in with an A it's impossible to tell how good he is. His defence is the weakest part of his game. He gets hit with the type of shots he will want to avoid against Canelo. If he was a more elusive kind of fighter, he'd be more of a problem for Canelo, but he isn't and Canelo probably has the power to trouble him.

That said, i think Mayweather could have stopped Canelo if he really put his foot down, and Golovkin is accurate and carries a much bigger dig. He cuts the ring off well, although i don't think he will necessarily have to go looking for Canelo, there might well be a point where Canelo ends up on the back foot, and once Golvkin switches into stalker mode, he normally ends the fight.

I do think people under estimate Canelo's ability. He is wrongly seen as a less technical fighter than he really is. That's partly because he's been matched against a couple of guys who are designed to make you look bad in Lara and Trout and the fights have ended up being close. It wasn't the power that caught up with Khan on Saturday night, it was the timing. Canelo threw that same shot about half a dozen times, getting closer and closer each time. It was Khan's failure to spot it that caused the problem. Credit to Canelo for spotting the opening and for noticing that the opening was frequently there for him.

So far, Canelo has mixed in better company. Even a weary Cotto is better than anything Golovkin has been in with, and by some distance. As is Lara and Trout. Even Kirkland and Angulo present more danger than anything Golovkin has faced (with the exception of Lemieux). He has impressively beaten a lot of solid fighters, but he still shy of a break out victory in my opinion. His keenness to face smaller men (his promoter was talking about a potential Khan fight) is something that bothers me given he is a fairly big Middleweight. He's had very limited opposition at Middleweight for he last 2 years or so, and i'm surprised he hasn't sought better challenges up at 168. Most truly great fighters move out of their weight class for greater challenges. As good as he has been, there's still something there telling me to not get too carried away by him. He's largely been in with solid, out-gunnable guys who will try and trade with him. He's not been in with anybody who has a speed advantage, or who has an elusiveness about him. People pick holes in Canelo, but he does at least have a variety of opposition. Golovkin has been fed a steady stream of cannon fodder, with the sole aim of creating an aura - which has worked.

Canelo will be his first real test, and looking at Canelo's history with the scorecards, Golovkin will need a KO to get anything. He's not winning on points, so providing Canelo can deal with his power, Golovkin isn't winning the fight.
 
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