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Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
Na, that would of been the numerous drug tests he failed... One of the dirtiest (steroid users) in the game..
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Really?

While he was a light heavyweight or just to gain the weight and have the fight against Ruiz at heavyweight?

Holyfield, or Evan Fields, was the worst IMO.

Anthony Joshua is the most high profile one that's fully on it now.

He put on a whole stone of lean muscle in less than 4 months from when he made his professional debut, to when he fought Dorian Darch.



Less than four months later:



Physically impossible for the body to put that amount of lean muscle on in such a short period without some pharmaceutical help.

It's obvious just looking at him though really, as lean as he is, while having such a great amount of mass, and his distended HGH gut.

HGH use has to be common place, they don't even test for it for Christ's sake. Makes a mockery of the sport.
 
I'd say Ray Robinson was the best ever. From a kid tap dancing on street corners for coins, to dominating world boxing. Such a shame there's no footage of RR in his prime. Angelo Dundee said there was nobody better on the rope, i'm sure his talent as a dancer helped. For me Jouis Louis was the best heavyweight but have no problem with people saying Ali, it's all subjective and I get why. We also forget this was a time when fighters would go at it for 15 rnds, unbelievable when you think about it.
My boxing hero is Rocky Marciano, a guy who relied on his punch, his relentless stamina and granite jaw. Dundee said his close friend Charley Goldman (RM trainer) asked him down to the gym to check this kid out on the bag. Charley told Dundee he had no boxing skills, no footwork or balance, but he could punch. Marciano was born in an era when the division wasn't at its strongest, but
he could only fight the best at this time, the smallest reach of any heavyweight so had to get in close to use his power. He distanced himself from the mafia and was ripped off by his manager Al Weill. The term 'great white hope' never went down well, his boxing hero was Joe Louis. Joe was over the hill when Rocky put him through the ropes in the 8th, Louis was broke and asked Marciano for the fight, he obliged knowing he would also raise his profile. After the fight, Marciano cried all the way back to the dressing room, knowing he'd just ended his heroes career. When Rocky died, Joe Louis said, 'god took the best when he took Rocky Marciano'. Not sure if he meant best as a boxer, or best as a person. He retired having beaten the best at that time, he was also able to end his sour relationship with Al Weill. He said if Joe
Louis couldn't make a successful return to the ring then neither could he. Rocky finished his career unbeaten, you can't do anymore than that.

apologies for any bold txt, shite phone.
 
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Adidas Sharston said:
I'd say Ray Robinson was the best ever. From a kid tap dancing on street corners for coins, to dominating world boxing. Such a shame there's no footage of RR in his prime. Angelo Dundee said there was nobody better on the rope, i'm sure his talent as a dancer helped. For me Jouis Louis was the best heavyweight but have no problem with people saying Ali, it's all subjective and I get why. We also forget this was a time when fighters would go at it for 15 rnds, unbelievable when you think about it.
My boxing hero is Rocky Marciano, a guy who relied on his punch, his relentless stamina and granite jaw. Dundee said his close friend Charley Goldman (RM trainer) asked him down to the gym to check this kid out on the bag. Charley told Dundee he had no boxing skills, no footwork or balance, but he could punch. Marciano was born in an era when the division wasn't at its strongest, but
he could only fight the best at this time, the smallest reach of any heavyweight so had to get in close to use his power. He distanced himself from the mafia and was ripped off by his manager Al Weill. The term 'great white hope' never went down well, his boxing hero was Joe Louis. Joe was over the hill when Rocky put him through the ropes in the 8th, Louis was broke and asked Marciano for the fight, he obliged knowing he would also raise his profile. After the fight, Marciano cried all the way back to the dressing room, knowing he'd just ended his heroes career. When Rocky died, Joe Louis said, 'god took the best when he took Rocky Marciano'. Not sure if he meant best as a boxer, or best as a person. He retired having beaten the best at that time, he was also able to end his sour relationship with Al Weill. He said if Jouis Louis couldn't make a successful return to the ring then neither could he. Rocky finished his career unbeaten, you can't do anymore than that.

apologies for any bold txt, shite phone.
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Not a mention of jack Johnson, Shame on you.... Hands down the greatest, he pretty much invented the way the division is run today (purses, glamour etc)..... Every modern boxer applies the technique he introduced to the sport, the slipping of punches, head movement and the jab, he invented the rope-a-dope, there was no skill before this man.....

The fact he did what Ali did X10, in an era when you would literally get strung up for looking at 'white folk', never mind banging every piece of skirt available, was the first time in mainstream sport that a black man said 'fuck you' to the 'master race', all the while living his life to the full... A truly remarkable man who's history is sadly overlooked... 15 rounds?? Try 26 in 90* heat..

I know you like boxing docs, the book that lead to his was named Unforgivable blackness, it's unparalleled..

A famous story that became legend was when the Georgia police were going all out to have him locked up. Johnson was a racing enthusiast, loved fast cars... He would purposely speed through the south in his cars... On one occasion he was pulled over and a fine of $50 dollars was smacked on him (a huge amount in 1910), anyway he handed over a $100 bill, the copper foolishly states 'we can't change that', Johnson replies 'it's ok, I'm coming back through in an hour'....
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
Not a mention of jack Johnson, Shame on you.... Hands down the greatest, he pretty much invented the way the division is run today (purses, glamour etc)..... Every modern boxer applies the technique he introduced to the sport, the slipping of punches, head movement and the jab, he invented the rope-a-dope, there was no skill before this man.....

The fact he did what Ali did X10, in an era when you would literally get strung up for looking at 'white folk', never mind banging every piece of skirt available, was the first time in mainstream sport that a black man said 'fuck you' to the 'master race', all the while living his life to the full... A truly remarkable man who's history is sadly overlooked... 15 rounds?? Try 26 in 90* heat..

I know you like boxing docs, the book that lead to his was named Unforgivable blackness, it's unparalleled..

A famous story that became legend was when the Georgia police were going all out to have him locked up. Johnson was a racing enthusiast, loved fast cars... He would purposely speed through the south in his cars... On one occasion he was pulled over and a fine of $50 dollars was smacked on him (a huge amount in 1910), anyway he handed over a $100 bill, the copper foolishly states 'we can't change that', Johnson replies 'it's ok, I'm coming back through in an hour'....
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He's definitely up there mate. 'Papa Jack' is a great book, loved the way he stuck two fingers up to 'white America', same as Ali.
 
Boxing books can be good to read. Wayne McCulloughs Pocket Rocket was a good 1 to read talks about having his boxing license cancelled in the UK and his fight to get back that license there. Fought the best out there Morales , Naz and Scott Harrison at the time he was out to name a few. Never backed out of a fight winning the World title in Japan. Opening doors for other Irish fighters over the US as he was the first to make it big there. A real gent of a man a proper fighter and for me a Irish great boxer.
 
leighton said:
Boxing books can be good to read. Wayne McCulloughs Pocket Rocket was a good 1 to read talks about having his boxing license cancelled in the UK and his fight to get back that license there. Fought the best out there Morales , Naz and Scott Harrison at the time he was out to name a few. Never backed out of a fight winning the World title in Japan. Opening doors for other Irish fighters over the US as he was the first to make it big there. A real gent of a man a proper fighter and for me a Irish great boxer.
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Just finished Reg Gutteridge's autobiography 'Uppercuts And Dazes'. Brilliant book, always loved his commentry on the big fights as a kid.
 
Lomachenko can have a number of big fights. If he stays up in Super Featherweight then a fight with Nicholas Walters would be a great fight to see. I rate Walters highly. Goes back to Featherweight then you have the Gary Russell rematch but honestly think Lomachenko beats Russell again for me. I wouldnt rule out the winner of Frampton v Santa Cruz fighting Lomachenko or in a dream fight for me Rigondeaux fighting Lomachenko maybe at Featherweight. That would for me would be Lomachenkos hardest fight and I would start Rigo as favourite.
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
Really?

While he was a light heavyweight or just to gain the weight and have the fight against Ruiz at heavyweight?

Holyfield, or Evan Fields, was the worst IMO.

Anthony Joshua is the most high profile one that's fully on it now.

He put on a whole stone of lean muscle in less than 4 months from when he made his professional debut, to when he fought Dorian Darch.



Less than four months later:



Physically impossible for the body to put that amount of lean muscle on in such a short period without some pharmaceutical help.

It's obvious just looking at him though really, as lean as he is, while having such a great amount of mass, and his distended HGH gut.

HGH use has to be common place, they don't even test for it for Christ's sake. Makes a mockery of the sport.
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At 2.43 and 2.19 I see absolutely no difference in AJ.
 
Time will tell with AJ and putting on a bit more timber. I think compared to other Heavyweights out there he is more muscle and toned. Compared to some in the top 10 of the rankings. I think with anything and age you fill into your body and put on weight it happens to them all. He is only what 26 AJ so he will only get bigger and bigger over the years. They need to tailor it the people looking after him as he needs to have the dynamic punching and be slick enough to use his speed around the ring.
 
leighton said:
Time will tell with AJ and putting on a bit more timber. I think compared to other Heavyweights out there he is more muscle and toned. Compared to some in the top 10 of the rankings. I think with anything and age you fill into your body and put on weight it happens to them all. He is only what 26 AJ so he will only get bigger and bigger over the years. They need to tailor it the people looking after him as he needs to have the dynamic punching and be slick enough to use his speed around the ring.
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Agreed people seem to have a hard time accepting some people have a genetic advantage when it comes to putting on muscle, which is what we have with AJ coupled with training tailored to achieving the gains he wants. Like you say though too much muscle can slow you down and restrict your fluidity, more muscle means more oxygen needed which means he needs a healthy set of lungs.
 
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Metalartin said:
Agreed people seem to have a hard time accepting some people have a genetic advantage when it comes to putting on muscle, which is what we have with AJ coupled with training tailored to achieving the gains he wants. Like you say though too much muscle can slow you down and restrict your fluidity, more muscle means more oxygen needed which means he needs a healthy set of lungs.
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Thats it but i think the new pros now have the best out there in sport science helping them with there weight the lot. It happens in the ams so its only right they will use it in the pros if they went as far as AJ has done in th ams.
 
Yeah Crolla v Linares should be a good fight. Linares will be a hard fight. Out of the ring nearly a year as well. If Linares is fit I honestly feel this is his fight for the taking and he could maybe win by stopage.
Also 1 I am looking forward to is Josh Warrington v Patrick Hyland. Hyland is a great fighter a boxer from a big boxing family 3 brothers all boxed pro at some stage. Hyland is a classy fighter and if he sticks to the plan that Packie Collins sets out he could well be hard to beat and could win on points. All he is lacking is the big punch to KO a fighter. The same can be said about Josh its just who is the best boxer out of the 2.
 
leighton said:
Yeah Crolla v Linares should be a good fight. Linares will be a hard fight. Out of the ring nearly a year as well. If Linares is fit I honestly feel this is his fight for the taking and he could maybe win by stopage.
Also 1 I am looking forward to is Josh Warrington v Patrick Hyland. Hyland is a great fighter a boxer from a big boxing family 3 brothers all boxed pro at some stage. Hyland is a classy fighter and if he sticks to the plan that Packie Collins sets out he could well be hard to beat and could win on points. All he is lacking is the big punch to KO a fighter. The same can be said about Josh its just who is the best boxer out of the 2.
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Crolla and Linares should be a great fight, hopefully turbo is next up. Think Hylands in with a shout a Warrington, will be a good test. Got Frampton tkts yesterday paid $99 each, cheapest were $75.
 
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