The British Monarchy

When she became queen, I seem to recall that the Royal Family was just Elizabeth + DoE, sister Margaret and the Queen Mother. The only bit of regular gossip was with the younger sibling. Over the years, with kids, grandkids, great grandkids, marriages and divorces, the "Firm" has expanded into several dozen dukes & duchesses, princes & princesses, counts & countesses etc. Not all on tax payers money but, as far as I know, none of them struggling to pay their energy bills.
The Queen's father had 3 brothers and a sister, so there were uncles (one in exile in Paris) an aunt and no doubt cousins too (one such branch is the Kent's) but clearly back then the media wouldnt have focused on any of them - in a similar way that when William passes and George takes over, there won't be any reference made to (for example) Beatrice / Eugiene and their kids, along with Princess Anne and Prince Edward's children and their children.
 
If people don’t like him, then that’s fine. I would argue that grief is a very powerful and ultimately individual emotion, but you would counter that he’s had a lifetime to prepare for this moment, and we could have a civil argument over the matter.

But referring to him as a c**t a day after he lost his mother, as so many on here have, is frankly embarrassing and highly disrespectful to anybody, whoever they are.
Not many have, to be fair.

I think, for most, his reign as King is currently in the “let’s see how he does” stage.
 
I am a Republican, yet I found myself moved by the last days events, I was fond of our Queen and found them fascinating and started to question whether my Republican beliefs were sound. Today's pageantry is part of what makes us a great country and I am conflicted as to is that possible if were to become a Republic.

Then I asked myself why people with bugles carrying out ancient rituals is in keeping with a modern democracy, King Charles "approved" legal documents that in a democracy should surely be decided by the people.

These are questions I have never had to consider and with the passing of a Queen who was loved and revered by so many it does bring one's beliefs into question.

As an avowed Republican, I will say God Bless you Queen Eliabeth, you did your people, the nation and the Commonwealth proud, you will always have my respect and affection.

Now though we move on and whilst I wish our new King Charles well and do not doubt for one minute his promises to be a King who is a dutiful as his mother, I do hope he finds a way to distance the monarchy from the constitution. I have no problem with us having a Royal family, but they should not be part of our constitutional settlement,

Constitutional Monarchy is coming to an end, as a nation we have to grow up, rid ourselves of deference and forelock tugging and become a nation happy in its own skin.

At this moment in our nation's history, even as an avowed Republican, I have to say for now,

God Save The King.
Great post that, pal.
 
Yes, lots of respect on display on this forum today.

There are two threads

One to show respect for the Queens passing and her life, which I think 99.99% of it has done even from the most ardent republicans on here.

Another, this one to discuss the monarchy and it's future.

In the first one, I would expect all to be well behaved and show common decency for a woman who was present in peoples lives as head of state of many nations that has passed away and the grieving of her family

In this one, however, peoples personal honest opinion on the new king, the royals members and future of the monarchy should be allowed equally if for or against them, saying such does not remove the same poster showing of repsect for the dearly depart queen shown in the other thread, let us not conflate the two, you can be saddened by ERII passing and be mournful, but still have reservations about Andrew parading on tv or Charles tenure considering his past and present misdeeds or even the need for a constitutional monarchy to continue and exist.


Isn't that the point of seperate threads? One for showing respect to the queen, one for healthy, open, honest debate

Neither the royalist or republican are halfwits, just people with their own beliefs and at such a time of reflection, emotionally, people will be opinionated whether you, me or any other poster agrees with it or not.
 
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Isn't it the case that now Charles is King her sprogs can have Prince and Princess titles and HRH ?
Thereby entitling them to state funded security/protection forever.
It is expected charles will reverse George V decision and send letter patent to remove the titles prince/princess from all but the direct heir to the throne, so only wills and george would hold the title prince.
 
You need to pull your arse out of the past and judge the monarchy now. Parliament used to shit on the common man, other nations and engage in bloodthirsty land grabs. The people in the monarchy and parliament have changed over the centuries in line with modern views.

It’s a life of privilege in a monetary sense but many privileges you and I enjoy they aren’t afforded. They’re not free to live a normal life, you have to watch absolutely everything you say and do, cannot go out about your day without being filmed and followed by thousands. Even Harry said he feels sorry for senior Royals as it’s like being trapped in that life.

I’d take the odd worry about bills and my terrace house over Buckingham Palace, to live a free life where I can go out and enjoy myself whilst being left alone.

And it’s not just cutting ribbons, she’s overseen the Commonwealth, been the most traveled monarch in history, got her arse out there acting as an ambassador, met and hosted leaders from all over the world, questioned Prime Ministers and spoken to the public.

She was working two days before she died for fuck sake.

You need to look at what other leaders have said about her, your opinion more informed than Obama’s for example? Or Macron?

Even the SNP, who want to leave the UK love her and what’s she’s done.

You might hate the fact it’s inherited but there is a benefit to that, it means a single family are giving their lives to be dedicated to these roles and with that you get much more dedication and consistency.

You talk about land grabs and bloodthirst from the past but every leader in every country and every people did that, it’s not a symptom of the monarchy necessarily, it was a symptom of human aggression and greed which has been shown in many other systems.

Putin is doing it now and he’s not a monarch, if he was and there was a democratic elected parliament, they’d have probably stopped him.

I’ve seen loads of posts and comments from Africa sending condolences. Of course there are hateful and bitter ignorant people who won’t and will say disgusting things but they are best off ignored, the majority of people understand what a great person she was.
I don't need to pull myself out of anywhere mate, my feet are firmly planted here in the 21st Century. Have a look at the pantomimic shite that's being broadcast on TV at the moment and then ask yourself who is really the one stuck in the past.

Few things, you say they are bound to a life of servitude and public debt to us, and that they lead such a torturous woe-is-me existence. Do the names Edward VIII and Prince Harry mean anything to you? I don't blame Harry for getting out of dodge because his family are an abomination, but the reality is he fucked off into the sunset with the privileges and wealth paid for by us hanging from his coattail.

You talk of world leaders eulogising over her, what do you expect them to say? Its a hearty blend of virtue signalling and diplomacy. The same kind of diplomacy that sees politicians and authority figures shielded from any real responsibility or account.

One of the first things we're taught as kids is to work hard at school and the pay off will be financial reward and a happier life. Literally the first real life lesson any child gets. A monarchical system spits in the face of all that. It completely contravenes the notion of fairness, of equality, of every man starting at the same start line.

They don't pay for a fucking thing. We pay for it all with our taxes. I don't begrudge paying for hospitals and doctors, or policing, teaching and other tangibly worthwhile facets of society. I do begrudge funding a luxurious lifestyle for a set of total strangers. And anyone that doesn't should question why, and then proceed with the lobotomy.

And all of this is before elucidating on the contemptible family members themselves. How's Prince Andrew doing nowadays? Is his brother going to protect him further now he's "king"?

Who the fuck do these people think they are? Who are they to say they are better than us? That their blood is pedigree and worthy and that ours isn't? There is only one Royal Family in my life, and that's my own.

If you can tell me why a monarchy is anything other than an aberration of modern values and ideals, without spouting tired cliched bullshit like "continuity" or "stabilising figure" or "glue that holds us together", if you can do that, then to borrow toffy parlance, I will doff my cap to you Sir and admit monarchy is a good thing.

Otherwise, I'll maintain the principle of a sane man and say that the Royal Family are a stain on our society and the whole lot should be burned to the ground.
 
I don't need to pull myself out of anywhere mate, my feet are firmly planted here in the 21st Century. Have a look at the pantomimic shite that's being broadcast on TV at the moment and then ask yourself who is really the one stuck in the past.

Few things, you say they are bound to a life of servitude and public debt to us, and that they lead such a torturous woe-is-me existence. Do the names Edward VIII and Prince Harry mean anything to you? I don't blame Harry for getting out of dodge because his family are an abomination, but the reality is he fucked off into the sunset with the privileges and wealth paid for by us hanging from his coattail.

You talk of world leaders eulogising over her, what do you expect them to say? Its a hearty blend of virtue signalling and diplomacy. The same kind of diplomacy that sees politicians and authority figures shielded from any real responsibility or account.

One of the first things we're taught as kids is to work hard at school and the pay off will be financial reward and a happier life. Literally the first real life lesson any child gets. A monarchical system spits in the face of all that. It completely contravenes the notion of fairness, of equality, of every man starting at the same start line.

They don't pay for a fucking thing. We pay for it all with our taxes. I don't begrudge paying for hospitals and doctors, or policing, teaching and other tangibly worthwhile facets of society. I do begrudge funding a luxurious lifestyle for a set of total strangers. And anyone that doesn't should question why, and then proceed with the lobotomy.

And all of this is before elucidating on the contemptible family members themselves. How's Prince Andrew doing nowadays? Is his brother going to protect him further now he's "king"?

Who the fuck do these people think they are? Who are they to say they are better than us? That their blood is pedigree and worthy and that ours isn't? There is only one Royal Family in my life, and that's my own.

If you can tell me why a monarchy is anything other than an aberration of modern values and ideals, without spouting tired cliched bullshit like "continuity" or "stabilising figure" or "glue that holds us together", if you can do that, then to borrow toffy parlance, I will doff my cap to you Sir and admit monarchy is a good thing.

Otherwise, I'll maintain the principle of a sane man and say that the Royal Family are a stain on our society and the whole lot should be burned to the ground.

Simple isn’t it?.

The fact that millions have been brainwashed into thinking the opposite is mind blowing.
 
I would agree but there has also been a decline in the IQ of the British voter that means, were the opportunity to arise to secure change, we would undoubtedly find a way of fucking it up.

I’m not sure that is true. More likely stupid people just have a bigger platform to express their stupidity these days.

You only have to go back one generation to my parents’ and they didn’t know that smoking was bad for you. I mean, I’m no doctor but my defining memory of my grandad was seeing him sat on his armchair constantly coughing his ring up every time he took a drag from his Woodbines. How could anyone but an idiot not realise the two things were linked?
 
Most Yank and Chinese tourists pay for their tour of the UK back in USA to travel companies. They actually don't spend that much in the UK as everything is included, meals, hotels etc. They may buy a pint or two.
oh Bill - The travel companies pay for the meals etc as agents of the tourists.
Can’t agree with you there with respect.
 
I’m not sure that is true. More likely stupid people just have a bigger platform to express their stupidity these days.

You only have to go back one generation to my parents’ and they didn’t know that smoking was bad for you. I mean, I’m no doctor but my defining memory of my grandad was seeing him sat on his armchair constantly coughing his ring up every time he took a drag from his Woodbines. How could anyone but an idiot not realise the two things were linked?
Inhaling smoke into your lungs? What could possibly go wrong?
 
I’m not sure that is true. More likely stupid people just have a bigger platform to express their stupidity these days.

You only have to go back one generation to my parents’ and they didn’t know that smoking was bad for you. I mean, I’m no doctor but my defining memory of my grandad was seeing him sat on his armchair constantly coughing his ring up every time he took a drag from his Woodbines. How could anyone but an idiot not realise the two things were linked?

Japan is one of the largest populations of smokers but have the 2nd highest life expectancy. Bad health and death caused by excess is a result of a number of things combined.

The mantra today is that old people should die quickly and with the least amount of possible strain on the NHS so that younger people with warts can be seen to ;)
 
I put the telly on on this morning to the BBC and they had some aristocratic woman on fawning about how wonderful Charles will be as King. It is absolutely enlightening to see how fucking sickening the BBC are, with one nauseating establishment todying **** after another, trying to convince the plebs how much we needs these types to keep us right.
Not jus the beeb, but your own hero Sturgeon too and the welsh fella.

It is times like this you remember even those politicians you put faith in are all part of the establishment and you are just a pawn for their own ends.
 
Some asking why charlie can be king after having an afair with and why the CoE allow it

Well the old anglican church was founded so one king could have it away with many wives, and only get involved when the woman is the adulterous one, imagine if they had been consistant and allowed Mrs Wallace to wed, Eddie number 7 would have stayed king and the monarchy would probably had already been abolished.
 
Some asking why charlie can be king after having an afair with and why the CoE allow it

Well the old anglican church was founded so one king could have it away with many wives, and only get involved when the woman is the adulterous one, imagine if they had been consistant and allowed Mrs Wallace to wed, Eddie number 7 would have stayed king and the monarchy would probably had already been abolished.
If everyone had died at the same time, wouldn’t the Queen still have ascended the throne in 1972?
 

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