The Conservative Party

Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Name a policy implemented by the Conservatives that improves your or your families life

I'll qualify that ...... that was not an Eu directive.
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The growth of the private sector has made my working class family earn a middle class living. Not just me, my parents and grand parents (before they retired).

That’s the biggest policy of all, from the last 50 years and it’s not just my family, the private market lifts millions out of poverty across the world, where socialist states like Cuba and Venezuela keep their population in it.

The regression of social conservatism, including that perpetuated by the so-called Conservative Party as well, has degenerated the social fabric of the nation.

Of course, some socialist policy is needed and is appropriate in particular industries, such as health, rail, mail and possibly utilities but socialism as an ideology to be poured out across the board in all industries, has shown time and time and time again that it simply doesn’t work.

This is what socialism gets you-
There are many factors to consider when trying to determine what is the poverty rate in Cuba. At first glance, it may appear that at least two-thirds of the Cuban population currently live in poverty. The state salary is a mere $20 per month, well below the international poverty line of $2 per day.
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Ban-jani said:
The growth of the private sector has made my working class family earn a middle class living. Not just me, my parents and grand parents (before they retired).

That’s the biggest policy of all, from the last 50 years and it’s not just my family, the private market lifts millions out of poverty across the world, where socialist states like Cuba and Venezuela keep their population in it.

The regression of social conservatism, including that perpetuated by the so-called Conservative Party as well, has degenerated the social fabric of the nation.

Of course, some socialist policy is needed and is appropriate in particular industries, such as health, rail, mail and possibly utilities but socialism as an ideology to be poured out across the board in all industries, has shown time and time and time again that it simply doesn’t work.

This is what socialism gets you-
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But if it only costs them $0.10 to feed their family for the day it doesn’t matter.

I do agree we need socialist policy and as @Ifwecouldjust....... said we have much to be grateful for from it.

But we have also had some absolutely shocking socialist policies and attempts at social engineering. Birmingham is a great example of a once prosperous city (earnings over London) and Labour not wanting wealth and jobs to be centred around a single city made it uneconomical for new companies to start up there (and instead start up in other cities) basically turning Birmingham into a poverty stricken shit hole reliant on car manufacturing which was characterised not by quality but by unions and strikes.
 
metalblue said:
Lower taxes. That improves my and my families life and millions of others.
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To the depravation to others and our services..... You happy to pay less so that others have little access to things like libraries / mental health services.... have six years worth of pensions (that they and their employers paid into) stolen off them ? For disabled people to lose access to their mobility cars , for people who've lived in the same house all their lives to pay an extra £60 to stay there because their spouse died?

if you actually thought about it you might not sleep so soundly.
 
metalblue said:
But if it only costs them $0.10 to feed their family for the day it doesn’t matter.

I do agree we need socialist policy and as @Ifwecouldjust....... said we have much to be grateful for from it.

But we have also had some absolutely shocking socialist policies and attempts at social engineering. Birmingham is a great example of a once prosperous city (earnings over London) and Labour not wanting wealth and jobs to be centred around a single city made it uneconomical for new companies to start up there (and instead start up in other cities) basically turning Birmingham into a poverty stricken shit hole reliant on car manufacturing which was characterised not by quality but by unions and strikes.
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It really really doesn’t -

Cost of Living in Cuba

Average prices of more than 40 products and services in Cuba. Prices of restaurants, food, transportation, utilities and housing are included.
www.numbeo.com www.numbeo.com
 
Ban-jani said:
The growth of the private sector has made my working class family earn a middle class living. Not just me, my parents and grand parents (before they retired).

That’s the biggest policy of all, from the last 50 years and it’s not just my family, the private market lifts millions out of poverty across the world, where socialist states like Cuba and Venezuela keep their population in it.

The regression of social conservatism, including that perpetuated by the so-called Conservative Party as well, has degenerated the social fabric of the nation.

Of course, some socialist policy is needed and is appropriate in particular industries, such as health, rail, mail and possibly utilities but socialism as an ideology to be poured out across the board in all industries, has shown time and time and time again that it simply doesn’t work.

This is what socialism gets you-
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What about when you measure it against comparable countries in the same region?

Population in millions


Cuba 11.33

DR 10.74

Jamaica: 2.94

See graph in link below


Obviously Jamaica is much smaller, but its their rate of growth that is important. I think it is a bit more complicated than saying country x is a failure because of socialism when they rate favourably to other countries in the region and they have impressive achievements despite a decades long blockade.


In the mid-1980s Cuba developed the world’s first Meningitis B vaccine. Today, it leads in oncology drugs. In 2012 Cuba patented the first therapeutic cancer vaccine.
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theconversation.com

Cuba is poor, but who is to blame – Castro or 50 years of US blockade?

Critics point to low income and food shortages, but when judging the Cuban leader it’s important to look at the whole story.
theconversation.com theconversation.com
 
Ban-jani said:
It really really doesn’t -

Cost of Living in Cuba

Average prices of more than 40 products and services in Cuba. Prices of restaurants, food, transportation, utilities and housing are included.
www.numbeo.com www.numbeo.com
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Simply due to the sanctions imposed by right wing capitalist countries ... as ive pointed out before Cuba has the highest literacy rate in the world (the UK has an average reading age of 7 - 9 years of age - despite our ''education system'' ) and more doctors per capita than anywhere else in the world and above us in the provision of the best health service.

When are you going to cotton on that the first thing the capitalists do is to impose sanctions and crush anything that looks like a socialist state?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
To the depravation to others and our services..... You happy to pay less so that others have little access to things like libraries / mental health services.... have six years worth of pensions (that they and their employers paid into) stolen off them ? For disabled people to lose access to their mobility cars , for people who've lived in the same house all their lives to pay an extra £60 to stay there because their spouse died?

if you actually thought about it you might not sleep so soundly.
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You didn’t ask that thou mate, you asked for a policy that had improved my life. And up until now that has. But I’d pay more for most of that list of yours and I’d even add to it, firstly I’d rather they didn’t piss the money away they currently get but that might be a forlorn hope!

More tax might not be popular with many (well it’s always popular with those who don’t pay it) but maybe I’ve just got to a point in life when I’m no longer trying to fix my own problems and can see the problems of those around me.

Gordon Brown stole from millions of peoples pensions. Is that what your talking about?
 
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